Why so many complaints?

[159th_Rudi]

Hi all,

Last Civ I played was No. 2... but I cant recall that now... I do recall the palace building was exciting, and so were the battles but thats it..

I read many complaints...

I just want to say that I actually like the game... its perfectly suited to those with young families that cant always join the big immersion CIV 4 games, (which I avoided for that reason)

I think the depth of the game is just right (although the speed of buildin needs work in the monolith game)

apart from that everything works so far and im happy... and enjoying crushing people under my might!

S!

[Gordoi]

There is not that many complaints on the general gameplay, most of them are on the gazillion bugs, lacking features/options and retarded AI.

[CaptainBinky]

its perfectly suited to those with young families that cant always join the big immersion CIV 4 games, (which I avoided for that reason)

You do realise that you've just fed the bears with this description of Civ V, yeah?

[Varus2319]

I'm pretty sure that's most people's point. It's not immersive, and it really isn't.

It's a simple board game that you play once and you've seen it all. It's not nearly as engrossing as it could be. Or properly, should be.

[deanco]

You can't go by what you see here. The people who are dissatisfied are complaining. The people who are having fun are having fun, they're not here.

I work in customer service. Nobody calls the hotline to tell me how everything's working great and how happy they are with the product. If I just went by what I hear on the telephone, I'd think I work for the worst product in the history of mankind.

[niall78]

You can't go by what you see here. The people who are dissatisfied are complaining. The people who are having fun are having fun, they're not here.

I work in customer service. Nobody calls the hotline to tell me how everything's working great and how happy they are with the product. If I just went by what I hear on the telephone, I'd think I work for the worst product in the history of mankind.

Why are you and others posting hundreds of replies then? What business do you have talking for the maker and developer of this game? Why are well thought out and time consuming posts flamed by stupid one or two line replies?

The hot lines buzzing here mate and at other sites on the internet. Are you working customer service here? And what would happen in your company if the calls got no replies of any substance?

A lot of the pro camp here and elsewhere remind me of the kind of crap you here on xbox live or fanboy sites with never ending ps3/xbox is better debates. If you are not customer service here, step back with the other fan boys and let players make the complaints they feel they need to make. Like I said before, it is none of your business to defend or tow the company line.

[159th_Rudi]

+1

I agree

[johnjacob]

Why are you and others posting hundreds of replies then? What business do you have talking for the maker and developer of this game? Why are well thought out and time consuming posts flamed by stupid one or two line replies?

The hot lines buzzing here mate and at other sites on the internet. Are you working customer service here? And what would happen in your company if the calls got no replies of any substance?

A lot of the pro camp here and elsewhere remind me of the kind of crap you here on xbox live or fanboy sites with never ending ps3/xbox is better debates. If you are not customer service here, step back with the other fan boys and let players make the complaints they feel they need to make. Like I said before, it is none of your business to defend or tow the company line.

Lol. Someone talking about "what business do you have" and "it is none of your business".

So I can ask "What business do you have telling someone else it is none of their business to do something?".

See? Or does your logic only allow one-way self-serving streets?

Oh.

It could go further. In as much as you 'feel' the need to express your opinions on the forums 2K pays for, so does he.

Further, you're acting like you 'own' some part of Firaxis/2K to have a podium to tell them what to do. You don't. Just because you purchased a product doesn't mean you're their boss. The customer is NOT always right. Just because you're in a culture where throwing tantrums produces results doesn't mean anything.

[Welk]

Why are you and others posting hundreds of replies then? What business do you have talking for the maker and developer of this game? Why are well thought out and time consuming posts flamed by stupid one or two line replies?

The hot lines buzzing here mate and at other sites on the internet. Are you working customer service here? And what would happen in your company if the calls got no replies of any substance?

A lot of the pro camp here and elsewhere remind me of the kind of crap you here on xbox live or fanboy sites with never ending ps3/xbox is better debates. If you are not customer service here, step back with the other fan boys and let players make the complaints they feel they need to make. Like I said before, it is none of your business to defend or tow the company line.

I have to jump in the line of fire here even I am more on the complainers side on this game.
I have never ever opened a "I love this game" thread. When I like a game I simply check the forums to discuss about tactics and stuff.
I am guilty on writing the one or another stfu post when getting drowned in mindless rant posts on a game i perfectly like.
I have been working as a forums moderator for a gaming forum for a while and have experienced how this typical behaviour of forum visitors does lead people to a wrong overall feeling about how much the game is liked.

A lot of complaints on forums DOES tell you there are issues to be concerned about but the majority of posts being complaints does definitely not mean the majority of players dislikes the game.

Another typical failure of complainers is to call someone who disagrees with them to be a "fanboi". Its like sitting in the mist and shooting on everyone who isn't clearly on your side. That guy might agree with you on another issue but as you shoot on him you made out you are an enemy and its better to shoot back. Liking something can have a reason. Defending something can have a reason. Don't throw grenades on someone simply cause you don't understand why he likes something you don't like.
Of course the likers also shoot sharp but the dislikers tend to shoot first and often are to blame for the first injuries and the reason for the djihad.

[deanco]

@niall78:

I was responding to the original poster. He wondered why there were so many complaints as he himself was enjoying the game. I simply explained that the boards might not be the most statistically valid sample one could find.

The rest of your post is responding to points I never made. I said, "the people who are dissatisfied are complaining". I made no value judgement as to the validity of those complaints.

I think lashing out at me for making a simple observation was unwarranted.

[Bylandt11]

You can't go by what you see here. The people who are dissatisfied are complaining. The people who are having fun are having fun, they're not here.

I am rather of the opinion that all game forums are disproportionally populated by people who like the game. They stay, while most of the unhappy players soon stop playing, vent their anger once or twice and then go off to play something else. Those who make a permanent hobby of being angry on game forums are, fortunately, a tiny minority.

Therefore, when threads in the variety of "I'm disappointed/angry" keep appearing in a forum, the devs should pay attention and future buyers should beware.

[johnjacob]

Therefore, when threads in the variety of "I'm disappointed/angry" keep appearing in a forum, the devs should pay attention and future buyers should beware.

This doesn't take into account the 'bandwagon' complainers.

The Devs could be alarmed when so many threads pop up and are each reasonably thought out critique.

But more often than not its rehashing what 'the other guy' said.

[niall78]

@niall78:

I was responding to the original poster. He wondered why there were so many complaints as he himself was enjoying the game. I simply explained that the boards might not be the most statistically valid sample one could find.

The rest of your post is responding to points I never made. I said, "the people who are dissatisfied are complaining". I made no value judgement as to the validity of those complaints.

I think lashing out at me for making a simple observation was unwarranted.

Sry Deanco, wasn't you I was knocking specifically. Your posts are thought out and a well constructed counter points to complaints is never a problem for me. I was more referencing posts like 'I stopped reading after the first line' or 'Go play civ4'. Like I said not an attack on you personnely, more on the people who feel the need to throw their shallow opinion in without adding anything to the debate only flames.

[Draco]

To be honest, civ has always been an acquired taste. If you never played the old games, chances are you might like them. But if you played the older games, chances are you will not like this game. If you find the older game boring, the new game will be a complete breathe of fresh air.

As you said, it is streamlined for family play. But the vast majority of gamers between 25-35 and would rather stare at a computer screen then their family. The streamlining just took everyone as a surprise.

To be honest it was kind of like going to that pizza place and ordering a lobster pizza (required taste) and getting a pizza with just anchovies (streamlined). It was not what you ordered. But it is what you got. Most people would complain that what they ordered was not what they got.

I was in shock, as with most people, but I will have to live with the new changes. My biggest problem is that the game is just horribly programed. Next biggest problem is the game is now like a board game, play once and move on. Once you know what is going on, you roll the dice, go through the motions, and end up winning most of the time.

No real strategy. On prince level, just select all the techs from the start of the game, making sure to get to the eras first, but you need all of them, so just select all of them. Build only next to resources, because it is pointless not to. Roll the dice for a few hundred turns, win the game.

War with ai is just sad. Multiplayer is just click fast and pick your battles. But in the end it is just a play once and toss it. This is not the game of civ I would take months to play one game. Honest never had a game go past a evening with out something happening to make me destroy the world.

[dragoaskani]

Its called the vocal minority for a reason. The majority of people don't visit the forums for a game period. Its probably less then 2% of the player base. And secondly of that number alot of them are playing the game, or on here looking for tips. A large portion of the complaints is the people that will ☺☺☺☺☺ and moan about anything and everything wrong in their lives. They tend to be so loud that they drown out the real concerns with their hyperbole.

[johnjacob]

To be honest, civ has always been an acquired taste. If you never played the old games, chances are you might like them. But if you played the older games, chances are you will not like this game.

Really? Chances are if I enjoyed the previous civs I won't like this game?

Where is your date to support those 'statistics'?

Oh. You don't have any data from a legitimate source to support that idea.

Infact, there is far more data to suggest the opposite - that if you enjoyed the previous civs, chances are you'll enjoy this one.

So if you're logic train already horribly derailed into a pit of bias this early in your post, I can only imagine how the rest of it exploded and caught on fire in the rest.

Good try though.

[TehJumpingJawa]

Really? Chances are if I enjoyed the previous civs I won't like this game?

Where is your date to support those 'statistics'?

Oh. You don't have any data from a legitimate source to support that idea.

Infact, there is far more data to suggest the opposite - that if you enjoyed the previous civs, chances are you'll enjoy this one.

So if you're logic train already horribly derailed into a pit of bias this early in your post, I can only imagine how the rest of it exploded and caught on fire in the rest.

Good try though.

I hope you realize that criticizing somebody for making unsupported claims, and then proceeding to make an unsupported claim of your own makes you look hypocritical and foolish?

[deanco]

Sry Deanco, wasn't you I was knocking specifically. Your posts are thought out and a well constructed counter points to complaints is never a problem for me. I was more referencing posts like 'I stopped reading after the first line' or 'Go play civ4'. Like I said not an attack on you personnely, more on the people who feel the need to throw their shallow opinion in without adding anything to the debate only flames.

Understood. No hard feelings.

Now, let's go enjoy the game!

[johnjacob]

I hope you realize that criticizing somebody for making unsupported claims, and then proceeding to make an unsupported claim of your own makes you look hypocritical and foolish?

Here is the support you wanted

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/si...critic-reviews

BTW thx for the input. Great feedback. I'll let you apologize at your convenience

[Veshta]

Really? Chances are if I enjoyed the previous civs I won't like this game?

Where is your date to support those 'statistics'?

Lets see, the première Civilization fansite (sorry Apolyton ) called CivFanatics, has a majority of people (yes, they too are drowning in pointless polls!) who are actually quite bored with Civ5 already. There's your data.

It really is logic, if one has tried driving a muscle car then being stuck with a Trabant for the daily drive will probably make you skip that drive and just stay home.

Civ5 lacks interactivity, there are simply not enough decisions (hard or otherwise) that needs to be made.
All improvements are hardcoded into the game and the whole gold/food > all mechanic leaves no variety .. farms to max happy and switch to TPs .. ad nausem.

Civ5 is Elementary school where Civ4 was College as far as interactivity/decision making and atmosphere is concerned.

[johnjacob]

Lets see, the première Civilization fansite (sorry Apolyton ) called CivFanatics, has a majority of people (yes, they too are drowning in pointless polls!) who are actually quite bored with Civ5 already. There's your data.

The data in question is "Chances are if you enjoyed the previous civs you won't enjoy this one".

That requires a 51% majority for the 'chances' to dictate those results.

So he needs to prove that 51% of prior civ fans infact don't enjoy Civ5.

My data (above) has a much broader spectrum of viewpoints than your narrow, select data. And my data is much more credible than a handful of voters on an unregulated website.

[niall78]

The data in question is "Chances are if you enjoyed the previous civs you won't enjoy this one".

That requires a 51% majority for the 'chances' to dictate those results.

So he needs to prove that 51% of prior civ fans infact don't enjoy Civ5.

My data (above) has a much broader spectrum of viewpoints than your narrow, select data. And my data is much more credible than a handful of voters on an unregulated website.

Go troll on xbox live, you've posted hundreds of times and added nothing to the debate.

[johnjacob]

Go troll on xbox live, you've posted hundreds of times and added nothing to the debate.

Guy goes on a forum and suggests X

Guy presents no data to support X

I suggest that X has no foundation and infact Y is more accurate

I present data to support Y

You post that I've added nothing - yet that was all you added.

Derp derp derp.

[niall78]

Guy goes on a forum and suggests X

Guy presents no data to support X

I suggest that X has no foundation and infact Y is more accurate

I present data to support Y

You post that I've added nothing - yet that was all you added.

Derp derp derp.

You'll get to 300 worthless posts tonight. Good job troll.

[Mateops]

The data in question is "Chances are if you enjoyed the previous civs you won't enjoy this one".

That requires a 51% majority for the 'chances' to dictate those results.

So he needs to prove that 51% of prior civ fans infact don't enjoy Civ5.

My data (above) has a much broader spectrum of viewpoints than your narrow, select data. And my data is much more credible than a handful of voters on an unregulated website.

I just went there, the score is 90... only problem is that is from official game critics, whom now a days get bribed all the time, calling games like AOC the next big mmo or nevrwinter nights 2 the greatest sequel of all times... three thumbs up, a smashing hit lalalala

just look at the customer poll on your website, you will see that not 51% are in the dont like but about 45% (and I havent posted yet) that comes from about 50 reviews! the poll that you seem to critic came from alot more people and is a better sample.

at least you had the integrity to show your sources

[2K Greg]

This thread has just turned in to flaming and pointless arguing over semantics. If anyone has constructive feedback to give, feel free to do so in one of the related threads.