I'm sorry...

[Davetopia]

But the lack of trust that I am seeing in the so called "hardcore veterans" is making me sick! Most of these posts can not be from long time civ fans, for they know the process. Firaxis is not some mega-corporation. They approach things in a minimalist fashion. Maybe they should have tried harder to please everybody? Maybe they should have made the 3rd expansion to civ iv? Maybe they are trying to push a dying industry in N. America ahead... This isn't infinity ward, it is not bioware, or any other top end designer that makes a product that is eaten by the masses.

This is the same company that has always looked out for it's community and with time and a few expansions gave us something amazing. So back off with the hate and anger. It is disrespectful and rude to push this towards a company that does great things. As we all know, a truly great empire takes time. A great wonder takes resources and dedication. Civ V will achieve all that it can soon enough. So stay true to the issues and not the anger please.

Thanks, and I hope I am not alone on this way of thinking...

P.S. I do not count colonization as an expansion...

[MoistPancake]

This is what I was thinking. People claim to have been veterans and loved the series and company. Yet, as soon as Civ V comes out they turn their back on Firaxis and take out their anger on the devs.

What happened to the player base that was loyal?

[Mythdracon]

Er...the majority of the veterans who have been "complaining" have been voicing constructive criticism, not hate against the devs. You have no idea why hardcore vets are "like that"? That's because you don't know which people are hardcore vets and which are not, apparently. *shrug*

We aren't just a monolithic group you know.

[Jacsó Benjámin]

This is what I was thinking. People claim to have been veterans and loved the series and company. Yet, as soon as Civ V comes out they turn their back on Firaxis and take out their anger on the devs.

What happened to the player base that was loyal?

I think he meant that long time veterans should know that when the game comes out, its going to have bugs, not everything will be perfectly balanced within it, and so on - as this was the case with previous iterations of civ - but that with some time, patches and expansions, it will turn in to an amazing game.

Hes not so much talking about loyalty, as merely the way things are, and always have been, with Civilization games. I also completely agree with the OP.

[MoistPancake]

I think he meant that long time veterans should know that when the game comes out, its going to have bugs, not everything will be perfectly balanced within it, and so on - as this was the case with previous iterations of civ - but that with some time, patches and expansions, it will turn in to an amazing game.

Hes not so much talking about loyalty, as merely the way things are, and always have been, with Civilization games. I also completely agree with the OP.

Well, it almost goes hand in hand. As soon as this game comes out, instead of being constructive and waiting for the game to become what Civ IV became. They spend their time being impatient and rude.

[Davetopia]

Er...the majority of the veterans who have been "complaining" have been voicing constructive criticism, not hate against the devs. You have no idea why hardcore vets are "like that"? That's because you don't know which people are hardcore vets and which are not, apparently. *shrug*

We aren't just a monolithic group you know.

Not trying to make it look like a club of haters. But I clearly see far to many posts throughout the day from people claiming to have played all the way back to Civ 1 acting like they are owed something special; just for them. All I am trying to get at is people need to utilize constructive criticism and not complain and moan. Two different things.

[korvus]

Lol. I'm a hardcore veteran. Civ I was the first PC game I ever played religiously as a child.
Just to be clear, which are the ones that are making you sick? Is it the loyal fans who bought this amazing game and wasted hours and hours of time trying to actually play it, or is it other people? Because if its the first group that would include me (I really didnt intend to make you sick and I'm sorry if I did). If I explained to you my interactions and present history with the game and all that I have been through you may find it hard to call me rude however. Then again you may be a masochist.

If your not talking about the people in my group then I apoligize.

If I am one of the people your talking about then may I ask how much time should go by, and how much time should my friends and I waste on the hopes of actually being able to play the game before I may complain? Or should we stop trying and come back every month to see if its playable so we dont waste days arranging the time to get together online and spend a couple hours taking turns hosting games that will randomly work for only one or two of us (playing multyplayer by yourself is alittle weird but its actually the only way one of my friends can play single player since regular single player doesnt work for him). Your advice would be appreciated.

[Davetopia]

Lol. I'm a hardcore veteran. Civ I was the first PC game I ever played religiously as a child.
Just to be clear, which are the ones that are making you sick? Is it the loyal fans who bought this amazing game and wasted hours and hours of time trying to actually play it, or is it other people? Because if its the first group that would include me (I really didnt intend to make you sick and I'm sorry if I did). If I explained to you my interactions and present history with the game and all that I have been through you may find it hard to call me rude however. Then again you may be a masochist.

If your not talking about the people in my group then I apoligize.

If I am one of the people your talking about then may I ask how much time should go by, and how much time should my friends and I waste on the hopes of actually being able to play the game before I may complain? Or should we stop trying and come back every month to see if its playable so we dont waste days arranging the time to get together online and spend a couple hours taking turns hosting games that will randomly work for only one or two of us (playing multyplayer by yourself is alittle weird but its actually the only way one of my friends can play single player since regular single player doesnt work for him). Your advice would be appreciated.

I am talking about the people already playing it.

For those people that can't play the game and their system spec's match up; that is an issue that needs attention. Everything else comes with time.

[Siggy]

The problem I have is this just looks to be another game designer who is simply letting their good name sell their games not the merit of their game (EA, Blizzard et all)

do you think if this game was released in its current form by some other company and called something else it would be around in a year for an expansion? I think not.

I have to rate a game based on what the game is and how it currently plays not how it could be and what it could become and right now its just not up to the standard that theyve set for themselves.

[Altius]

simple answer... no one will care for something that we don't love or like...

because civilization series have so many huge fans... no wonder they will get a critics and anything else...

[dannythefool]

It's easy to get that impression. After all, many of the complaint threads start out like "I've been playing Civ for 500 years and bought every installment six or seven times just so I could display the box in all my rooms".

Of course that doesn't mean the poster is a vet, it means he thinks that his criticism is not substantial enough to work without an introduction like that. Constructive criticism doesn't need to beg for credibility in this way.

[Davetopia]

All I am saying is:

This is common for Civ games, but they always deliver. Yes, if this was handled by Cryptic Studios and NCsoft we would be in trouble...

But it is good 'ol 2K and Firaxis, were in capable hands, and this is not their first rodeo. Civ 4 had a horrible start IMHO, and look where they took that title.

Yes, rough start... Many civ vets upset. They are not a rockstar studio... They just have a killer game and a passion to improve it. That is great foundation for great things! They have everything to gain and everything to loose, and I am positive that they are hard at work (@ firaxis) developing their updates and gameplans. So stay constructive, or we (the community) will destroy something that we all know to be good.