Random CTDs in both full and windowed.

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Although i get a lot less crashes in windowed mode.

I have the latest ATI drivers for 9/15. Seems to happen most often when i click a unit or during the end of turn processing. Using DirectX9, tried fiddling with compatability settings to no effect.

Time of this report: 9/25/2010, 15:45:34
Machine name: QUESTION-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: P35-DS3
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 1838MB used, 2254MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7600.16385 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x9442)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9442&SUBSYS_20031787&REV_00
Display Memory: 1274 MB
Dedicated Memory: 506 MB
Shared Memory: 767 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: LG L1953TR(Digital)
Monitor Model: L1953TR
Monitor Id: GSM4B44
Native Mode: 1280 x 1024(p) (60.020Hz)
Output Type: DVI
Driver Name: aticfx32.dll,aticfx32.dll,aticfx32.dll,atiumdag.dl l,atidxx32.dll,atiumdva.cap
Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1041 (English)
Driver Version: 8.762.0.0
DDI Version: 10.1
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/4/2010 09:54:50, 519680 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D702-11CF-2670-0900BEC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x9442
SubSys ID: 0x20031787
Revision ID: 0x0000
Driver Strong Name: oem23.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTx86.6.1:ati2mtag_RV7X:8.762.0. 0ci\ven_1002&dev_9442
Rank Of Driver: 00E62001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
DXVA-HD: Not Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

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[Tech Jamie]

Do you receive any error with the CTD such as the Windows "send error report" message?

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Yea its the standard "sid mier civilization v stopped working" popup but i am not getting the option to send a error report, it just says windows will notify you if there is a solution(which of course it never does).

Also i am playing in strategic mode since it shows the map better.

[QuantumTarantino]

Are you generally using 3d view or strategic?

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Strategic.

[QuantumTarantino]

OK, i am too, and it does that to me.

Play in 3D, and see if the crashes get better or worse.

As soon as i stopped using Strategic, my crashes stopped, go figger

[Question]

You are right, it only seems to crash in strategic mode, unfortunately strategic mode is better than 3d mode since it lets you see with one glance what a tile has(rather than trying to figure out what a pile of stuff is).

[QuantumTarantino]

i agree, try turning VSYNC on, and then playing in strategic, and see if it stops crashing

Edit, also, a bombing run doesnt take 9 seconds in strategic

[Question]

I already have vsync on.

[kevin_brasseur]

when i tried downloading the new driver 9-15 it downloads but my computer still shows the old driver...how do i make the new driver take affect

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Install it.

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[QuantumTarantino]

Question, im still looking for more, but for now, can you delete your saves?

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You mean going into the folder and deleting them? Probably. Why?

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Still crashing with the latest patch.

[Tech Ian]

when i tried downloading the new driver 9-15 it downloads but my computer still shows the old driver...how do i make the new driver take affect

you may want to try removing the installation of the drivers first before installing the new ones

[Tech Ian]

Still crashing with the latest patch.

on a saved game created after the patch?

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Nope on a saved game created before the patch.

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To top it off i now have major slowdowns ingame. Performance seems to have worsened after patch 20.

The game will simply randomly freeze for long periods of time.

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[callan]

You know it's after 6 on a Saturday and that even the most shut in developer that ever existed in the world isn't going to respond to you right now. Not to mention that when they come back on Monday and look at your thread they're much less likely to want to help you, for obvious reasons.

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You know it's after 6 on a Saturday and that even the most shut in developer that ever existed in the world isn't going to respond to you right now. Not to mention that when they come back on Monday and look at your thread they're much less likely to want to help you, for obvious reasons.

Hurr .

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[rikar]

Wow thats a lot of bumps.

The answer to your question is if you want the game not to crash or slow down dont play on large maps or have many cities (It may still crash though). The crashing and slowdowns are directly associated with how many things are present in the game. So as of now play on the smallest map in single player only with one city and one other civ and as few extras as possible. We have tested the game on five or so high performance desktops and laptops and it crashes freqently on long games. These random crashes are usually going to happen in conditions where the game engine's workers run into a problem or the dispatcher which seems to always die frist (music thread keeps going in our case) such problems are not going to be fixed on your end.

Basically there probably are some hardware and software issues that could affect Civ5 but the main issue is that the engine design is flawed or poorly implmented which makes it hypersensitive to itself and the installation environment.

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I play on standard and i never exceed 10 cities. Still crash a lot though.

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