ive had this on my mind for a little while and i was woundering, seeing as the water in BioShock is so interactive with it able to conduct electricity and put out fire will we be able to use cryoshards to freeze it?
it would be a nifty little manouver to trap a splicer or BD temporarily in a frozen pool of water and buy some time for some other action while they struggle to free themselves?
and then if the water can be frozen will we be able to melt it again with Incineration?
Irrational have stated that if its possible in the real world,then its the same in Rapture.Water can definitley be used to conduct electricity,and also if a Splicer is on fire they will attempt to douse the flames by jumping in water.
Haven't seen anything on freezing water yet. I don't think it's implimented, I imagine it'd be a nightmare to code.
Pity as it would be a neat little mechanic i mean say a big daddy is chasing you through water so you freeze the bastard and then step back and take a few cheap shots while he struggles out oof his predicament. ah well.
probably would be less of a nightmare to code than the nightmare to code and implement the water effects and physics of the game. seriously, all you do is make the player able to freeze the water, and perhaps the amount of time they spend freezing the water determines how deep the ice goes. and if anything is there it gets "trapped". then it struggles, and does damage to the ice, and so eventually it breaks free. if they have implemented more than just mechanical physics and have also added thermodynamics to the water physics engine, it would be even easier.
The better question is will the distilled water conduct electricity?
But I really hope thats the whole freezing/heating thing is in.
yes,water definitley conducts electricity in the game..very handy for frazzling Splicers!Originally Posted by Redraf
It's suppose to be sea water, not distilled water. How is distilled water conducting electricity a better question?
Sea water = zap
Deionized, distilled water (nanopure water) = no zap Although I'm not sure where you would find this outside of a laboratory and in large quantities.
yeah. pure water does not conduct electricity as it is comprised of covalent molecules and not ionic or metallic lattices, thus the transfer of electrons through a pure water medium is not possible.
the only reason everyone says water conducts electricity is because they do not know that the water they speak of has many fine particles suspended in the water, which usually conduct electricity, allowing the flow of electrons.
Wow,I really didnt know that!
tis all chemistry
one of the only covalent structures (which isnt a covalent molecule, but a covalent network) that allows the flow of electrons is graphite, which uses carbon, a non-metal element.
i think a network of silicon may also have conductive properties, which is also a non-metal element
CPU's Silicon-On-Insulator or SOI. The silicon is doped with other elements so it will conduct electricity.
Link for those that are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
On topic: Will we be able to freeze an aggressor in a small body of water? I think we'll be too busy not dying to worry about taking the time to freeze the water a splicer is standing in. But an answer would be appreciated.
Thankyou all for the chemistry lesson.
And as an added bonus on Sea-water facts did you know it contains trace amounts of everyone naturally occuring element? well it does and if you seperated the individual elements there would be enough gold to give around 4.7 kilos to everyone on the planet!
but back on topic, can someone at irrational confirm whether this is possible?
Yeah, pure silicon is a semi conductor, the hotter it gets the better it conducts (Unlike other conductors where the vibration of the molecules caused by the heat blocks the flow of electrons)
Chemistry FTW!
i have never gotten a yes answer on this question.
nor have i read it in a magazine.
fire + man = yes
oil + water + fire = yes
electricity + man = yes
electricity + water = yes
ice + man = yes
ice + water = ???
Wait! I think I saw something in the interview with Joe McDonagh (lead PC designer)
"What we really concentrated on was what scared the team the most: To create an environment that was essentially living and breathing, which you can interact with in any number of interesting ways. From a sort of basic interaction like setting fire to an oil slick or melting a lump of ice, to the more sophisticated interactions."
Nice one FTW.
so...
fire + ice = yes
ice + water = ??
I kinda hope theres a similar system to that in Dark Messiah where you can place a patch of ice on the ground and have enemies slip over on it.
Or perhaps when using cryoshards on a big daddy that it just freezes their feet to the ground. If that's possible, then theres no reason that doing it in water wouldn't be doable.
actually that is a good example, however, doping a non-conductive element means that you either add one free electron per atom, or subtract one electron per atom (atom could be replaced with molecule). the result is a material that might pass charge. in fact, doped elements are what diodes and some transistors are made of. if i remember correctly, applying the positively doped (electrons removed) side of a diode to rail (rail is voltage of positive potential), and the negatively doped (excess electrons) side of the diode to ground, no current will flow, if you switch it around and apply enough (>0.6 V) voltage, current will flow with ease.CPU's Silicon-On-Insulator or SOI. The silicon is doped with other elements so it will conduct electricity.
Link for those that are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
On topic: Will we be able to freeze an aggressor in a small body of water? I think we'll be too busy not dying to worry about taking the time to freeze the water a splicer is standing in. But an answer would be appreciated.
i think it will be
I am pretty sure you can use plasmid abilities in conjunction with water for some tasty super damaging attacks.
i certainly hope so.
Can you freeze water in the game? for example, turn the water into ice so you freeze the ankles of enemies so they cant move, or you make them slip on the ice. or so you can play some hockey, who knows right?
it hasn't been seen in any videos as of yet, but we can only hope. If you can, I will openly say "Bioshock is better then the original Halo". I swear it.
Until then though, *washes out own mouth*
Hmm, what if you could freeze them into water ankle deep, and then there would be an animation where you kick them, thus leading to the poor little splicer who lost his legs?
I dunno, my mind is leaking...
All we know is that Irrational is proud of how "the environment acts realistically", "the environment acts as you would expect it to" and "everything that you can do in real life, you can do in BioShock".
So...
Fixed, for me, anyways.
So, with the Frost plasmid you could turn Arcadia into a Winter Wonderland naturally?
i think IG overlooked this, its a pretty big omission, but oh well the game will still rock yall!
I dunno about this one to be honest. I remember an early demo Ken made where he walked into a bathroom that had overflowed completely to about ankle height. I don't see how they could get all that to freeze with the Plasmid.
With small puddles though, it is possible
I just thought it would make floating ice chunks.
Well considering you can freeze a whole person(with body heat) you should be able to freeze some water.
Would be pretty cool if you can freeze the water and then melt the ice again.
...How about....Boiling it with Incinerate?
The splicers are already ugly enough, the boils wouldn't do anything to them....How about....Boiling it with Incinerate?
And then after boiling it would rain down again although it sounds awesome it is probably too advanced to be realised yet
that cracked me up.
water + incinerate = a hot water bath where you can relax in between bashing skulls with a wrench. what the hell, lets add some bubble bath and scented candles. i cant believe the devs missed that...
How about some nice little Splicer duckies?
Mr. Levine, how could you miss all of this?
it just hit me...
the water seeping through walls is salt water, which freezes at a much lower temp than fresh water. which of course means it would be difficult to freeze instantly. i think thats enough of a loop hole to explain why you can freeze enemies but not water. also any moving water would be difficult to freeze as well.
Freezing a person would be harder though, like psycotropicpineapples said so it should still work.
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