Why do Vito and Joe have to pay back the $35,000?
It was Derek who borrowed the money from Bruno.
Derek had a plan with Vito and Joe, but they didn't borrow the money from, or even know, Bruno.
When Derek died, the debt should have been wiped.
Also, why are shoe shines so expensive?
A full tank of petrol costs $1.38, a hot dog $0.20, but a shoe shine costs a whopping $1.00.
shoe shines are a service, as opposed to food or gas, where you are buying goods.
thats also why the garage is on the more expensive side as well
Yes, but that's like paying 3/4 the price of a full tank of petrol.
Where I live, that would mean a shoe shine costs AUS$60-80!
Derek had nothing to do with the money borrowing from Bruno. It was Henry, Joe, and Vito that borrowed the money to buy the coke. Though mainly Henry. Then Carlo Falcone finds out and they have to give him his cut of $60,000. Which makes it so they have no money left to pay back Bruno. Then Henry dies and Joe and Vito have to come up with the $55,000 to pay back Bruno. Which makes it so Vito has to go to Derek for a job (to make money and pay back Bruno) and then Vito during one of the jobs Vito finds out Derek and Steve killed his dad which leads Vito to keill Derek and Steve and then Vito finds 24 or 25k on Derek's desk.
Last edited by floyd06; 08-29-2010 at 09:08 AM.
Yeah, it was, Derek is the union boss on the docks.Originally Posted by floyd06
Don't know why I always get those two names mixed up. Thanks.
It still doesn't explain why the debt gets transferred to Vito and Joe.
They didn't know Bruno, he was Henry's contact, and Henry was the one who borrowed the money.
And BTW, it wasn't coke, it was heroin.
i live in Canada, it costs $30 for a tank of gas and $20 for a haircut...
Vito Joe and Henry borrowed the money as a group and were all there when the money was borrowed Henry just happened to do all the talking. So after Henry died the Bruno would still want his money and since Joe and Vito were with Joe in the business venture they become the ones who have to get the money back to Bruno. Loan sharks don't take he died as an excuse. That was the same reason that after his father died Vito's family still owed the $2000.
Last edited by Water Phoenix; 08-29-2010 at 10:03 AM.
yea and also joe and vito spent part of the money they get selling drugs so automatically that means they are responsable now.
also... they watch them with Henry, so who do u think theyll ask for the money.
No, it was just Henry who borrowed the money.
Vito and Joe had never met Bruno before.
He's hardly likely to lend $35, 000 to 2 strangers.
And in the cut-scene, Bruno was speaking directly to Henry, and Henry was haggling, then gave the OK to paying back $60, 000 (Or whatever it was).
If it was a group, then Henry should have consulted Vito and Joe before accepting the exorbitant amount.
This part of the story could have been told much better, IMO.
well Henry was working with Vito and Joe
just because henry died, it doesn't mean Bruno is just going to forget about $55 000... he'd come after Vito and Joe next
also when bruno mentioned the extra amount if they extend the date for every week henry looked at joe , like saying: "ur hearing the man, we pay o time or we are fk"
A loan shark will loan to anyone as long as they feel that they will get their money back.
Henry did not need to consult with Vito and Joe because they discussed the basics of the deal on the way there and Vito and Joe agreed to let Henry do the talking. That was why Henry was the only one talking to Bruno. But it was still clear that the three were in this together otherwise Henry would have gone alone.
Also, let's not forget that with loan sharks debts often get transferred. For instance when Vito's father died, his debt was transferred to his family. They want their money back one way or the other.
Well he's a loan shark so he would "lend" money to anyone just to make a profit, the reason the debt went to Joe and Vito was because they were next in line, like how Vito's sister and mother had to pay Vito's father's debt.
I'll put it in a different way for you, in a more real world setting you may be able to relate to
If you take out a personal loan through your bank without insurance and you die, what do you think happens to the loan ? The bank is not going to forget about the debt and will try to reclaim their losses however they can...either through the next of kin or via the security on the loan
That's not an accurate analogy, as Vito and Joe aren't exactly Henry's family.
Also, although loan sharks lend money to anyone, we're talking $35,000 in 1950.
In todays money, that would probably be over $1,500,000.
There's no way a loan shark would lend that sort of money out to just anyone.
It doesn't matter that they aren't family. If you and I went to loan shark TOGETHER IN THE SAME ROOM and I ask for $50,000, then I die, the debt would then be yours to pay because you were my partner in the deal.
in that year that kind of loaners existed in many cities. u can check it on the web. loaners from beetween 50 000 and 100 000 were mostly jews with mobsters as protectors. there is a movie i dont remember the name right now where robert de niro appeared but NOT as a mobster, but as the father of the main character. in that movie as i can remember they mentioned a loaner who can lend from 30 grand to 80 grand only becouse u worked for some mafia leader.
Bruno the loan shark didn't even know Vito's name, as he asked him what his name was when Vito was repaying the money.
He's going to lend the equivalent of over one and a half million dollars, in todays money, to someone and he doesn't even know their name?
That doesn't sound very plausible, even for a loan shark.
This part of the game could have been told much better, IMO.
Dude, that's the way it works with loansharks. Vito and Joe were in the room with Henry, quite obviously as his partners, and when he died the debt got transferred. That's the way real life shylocks do it too.
They have to pay it back the same reason Vito's Mother and Sister had to pay back Vito's Father's debt after he died.
He didn't know Vito's name because Henry did most of the negotiating. But he still knew that Vito and Joe were with Henry and therefore when Henry died they became responsible for the debt.
Personally, if I was lending out huge sums of money, I'd make sure I knew exactly who I was dealing with.
Any loan shark that didn't would go out of business in no time.
Dont feel like looking back through the thread
Bruno = "The very powerful jew" that 2k_jack was talking bout.
where the hell can you get your shoes shined
Look for shoe shiners on the footpath, they're not hard to spot.
It's a rip-off though, $1.00 for a shoe shine!
Loan sharks make their money based on people not paying their debts back. Even if he didn't know who Vito and Joe were, he knew that no matter what, he would get his money. If he wasn't sure, he wouldn't have gave them the money. Its as simple as that.
He didn't know for certain he'd get the money back.
Lending money involves a degree of risk, nothing's guaranteed.
Especially with the small fortune he was lending.
The more money you lend out, the less chance there is of it not being paid back.
There´s just one thing that i think i have figured out now, that i really didnt get the first time, but the guys who are dressed as cops after the heroin deal, they are falcones crew right? cause one of them are with falcone in the end, but how did falcone then know about the deal? PS when they interrogate mr wuan in the restaurant, he says that if he tells them where the money is " theyll kill me", who? the triad boss thats in the limo with leo or what? plz explain to me
Yes, Mr. Chu would have had him killed.
Mr. Chu is the "dragon head" of the Empire Bay Triads (from Mafia II Wiki).
When you leave luca with balls and beans. Beans acts strange when he opens the door. I thought for sure this would be part of the story later. Example Luca doesnt die and causes you more problems. That would of been interesting to add to game. instead of such a short game with no free roam.
if vito and joe owe eddie 2000 dollars, why does vito pay the whole debt, and when you give eddie his money he gives Joe some money ,because he said to joe heres your cut.
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