who do you think is the third best civ player in the world? i lurked for about a month or so and i have read things like we all have and 2 my understanding pedal2metal2 and morte are the current top players, just wondering what the general consensus is on third place?
from my limited experiance im gona say duke.and feel free to tell me ps3 best player if ya must
Grayson, hands downOriginally Posted by Mawpawk
There is only consensus on the those 2 IMO. There are a lot of good players bunched up behind those 2 in my mind. However, if I must pick only one, I'm probably going w/Headless. He's a tough opponent, plays hyper-aggressive & will exploit every mistake you make & will rarely if ever quit. However, I find there are a solid group of players who can consistently punish you. TyShine, Grayson, El-Thrasher, MadDjinn, & really too many others to mention. There are also a handful of non-forum players who are good too. That's one nice thing about civ, you always have a chance to win or lose. I've beaten P2M2 several times so while I usually don't expect to win, it's always a possibility if you play your cards well & the other guy has a worse hand.
It's not the same as playing Bobby Fischer in chess where I would lose every time guaranteed.
best regards,
Pedal2Metal
Not anymore you wouldn't! Rimshot!It's not the same as playing Bobby Fischer in chess where I would lose every time guaranteed.
Ahh I went there!
I don't see this thread going anywhere good though. Mawpawk, what have you started?
I've played a lot of game with TyShine, Thrasher, and Headless. The win rates are all close 50/50. Usually the games are decided in the first 20 turns. Headless might be the best of us all, hard to say though. I've definitely played the least amount of games, as I started playing less than a year ago.
I've only played Mad 3 games in one of the brackets. I'm 2-1, but that doesn't mean much.
And I have no idea how many times I've played P2M1, he has too many accounts. He's good too.
I don't think I've played a full game with Grayson. From watching his videos, he has a completely different playstyle than me. I wouldn't dare put archers in so many cities.It seems to work fine for him though.
There are a lot of other really good players on the forums too. Aheadatime, Ali, dan, REM0, etc etc (sorry if I missed you).
Last edited by dukeblue1987; 08-26-2010 at 11:24 PM.
Over these people, I think TyShine is ok. Duke is aggressive but I haven't seen all his potential yet, so I can't tell he his "the best third player" at the moment.
Same for headless, I've played few games with him after people said he was better, he was good etc.. I should play with him again to see what happens.
il admit i have had a few jimbeams....im just curious on about who forum members think is the third greatest player ...simple.
1 vote headless
1 vote grayson
1 vote tyshine
i believe this thread wod help newcomers to the forum 2 quickly understand the 'pecking' order i did but it took 2 or 3 months but what im really hoping is for forum members to name a few non-forum good players..possibly
Last edited by Mawpawk; 08-26-2010 at 11:28 PM.
i say grayson, because he is partially ps3.., can i vote for tyshine as well?
Being helpful for newcomers is not the same as being the best at the game. The whole notion of a pecking order makes a forum like this less constructive. Lots of people have something to offer.
I really think this thread is a bad idea and encourage people to ignore the question.
mmm.. i forgot svmp, he defeated me in seconds also
Shouldnt it be the 'third best player in civ'. Its hard to say, i havent played tyshine. Ive played grayson and duke, both in tourneys, and beaten both of them (though grayson and i never finished our finale and duke beat me in a bracket but i won the rematch bracket). Headless and Tyshine i hear are great players, but have never played them. Ive also played and beaten REMO (rematch game, he won our first game), and ive been beat up by thrasher a few times as well. From my limited experience, id say its either Duke or Thrasher.
Btw, thanks for mentioning me duke lol. Even though you guys are all admittedly better than me, its good to hear someone in the top tier mention my name.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say something not nice. (this is shocking I know)There is only consensus on the those 2 IMO. There are a lot of good players bunched up behind those 2 in my mind. However, if I must pick only one, I'm probably going w/Headless. He's a tough opponent, plays hyper-aggressive & will exploit every mistake you make & will rarely if ever quit. However, I find there are a solid group of players who can consistently punish you. TyShine, Grayson, El-Thrasher, MadDjinn, & really too many others to mention. There are also a handful of non-forum players who are good too. That's one nice thing about civ, you always have a chance to win or lose. I've beaten P2M2 several times so while I usually don't expect to win, it's always a possibility if you play your cards well & the other guy has a worse hand.
It's not the same as playing Bobby Fischer in chess where I would lose every time guaranteed.
best regards,
Pedal2Metal
I don't think Morte is as good /clean/ as people are thinking. There were quite a few revelations about the map glitch and such after he built that reputation, so it casts doubt in my mind. Is he still top 3-4 anyways? yes.
P2M2 and headless are up there in my mind. thrasher, duke, tyshine, grayson also up there. There are others that are coming along, but don't have all the minor things figured out enough to incorporate into strategies on the fly.
for the PS3 side, zso_zso back in the day, rawjos, lucf big al, Liam etc. Salmeen is coming along but not quite there yet. He's better than HGB easily, though still has a few things to get before hitting the same skill level as the xbox side I already mentioned.
@Duke: I'll take my mongols/spanish/english against your *anything but power civs* any time to work on that record
And I agree with FFGTR.. bad thread. and I just contributed to what he was saying...
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say something not nice. (this is shocking I know)
I don't think Morte is as good /clean/ as people are thinking. There were quite a few revelations about the map glitch and such after he built that reputation, so it casts doubt in my mind. Is he still top 3-4 anyways? yes.
P2M2 and headless are up there in my mind. thrasher, duke, tyshine, grayson also up there. There are others that are coming along, but don't have all the minor things figured out enough to incorporate into strategies on the fly.
for the PS3 side, zso_zso back in the day, rawjos, lucf big al, Liam etc. Salmeen is coming along but not quite there yet. He's better than HGB easily, though still has a few things to get before hitting the same skill level as the xbox side I already mentioned.
@Duke: I'll take my mongols/spanish/english against your *anything but power civs* any time to work on that record
And I agree with FFGTR.. bad thread. and I just contributed to what he was saying...
i dont understand why you said my name, salmeen is better than a lot of players, i would say he is one of the best ps3 players ive seen, maybe the best since grayson, tyshine, and svmp dont ever log on anymore..
If you are saying I am worse just cause of that "map glitch", then you are wrong.I'm gonna go out on a limb and say something not nice. (this is shocking I know)
I don't think Morte is as good /clean/ as people are thinking. There were quite a few revelations about the map glitch and such after he built that reputation, so it casts doubt in my mind. Is he still top 3-4 anyways? yes.
P2M2 and headless are up there in my mind. thrasher, duke, tyshine, grayson also up there. There are others that are coming along, but don't have all the minor things figured out enough to incorporate into strategies on the fly.
for the PS3 side, zso_zso back in the day, rawjos, lucf big al, Liam etc. Salmeen is coming along but not quite there yet. He's better than HGB easily, though still has a few things to get before hitting the same skill level as the xbox side I already mentioned.
@Duke: I'll take my mongols/spanish/english against your *anything but power civs* any time to work on that record
And I agree with FFGTR.. bad thread. and I just contributed to what he was saying...
1) I don't use it every game, since I don't need
2) If you consider p2m2 better than me, you should know he has used worse "glitches" like the map glitch.
Whatever you say, I think p2m2 is still not as good as me and he relies too much on button races. Other people are not at the same level in my opinion.
I won't tell at the moment what p2m2 has been doing, but the glitch he has used until now is much worse than a simple "map glitch".
Why is a pecking order important or helpful?
There are some decent players who don't post here or at least don't very frequently, but really there aren't that many and they tend to be limited in what they are good at or tend to run America all the time, which can sort of make it hard to tell if they are actually any good. It stands to reason that all the best players would be forum members because we have the forum as a sounding board for strategy and have the collective knowledge and experiences off all these players at our disposal.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me how that map glitch is actually very useful, especially to someone who can remember maps. I know how to do it. I don't think it's really worth doing. Anyway, he said he's stopped using it.
But anyway, here's the thing about Morte. When I play him now, I have a fighting chance of beating him. Why? Because I'm using his strategies that he shared with all of us!
Sheesh, this thread is gonna get ugly. Morte, you shouldnt care what people say if you know youre the best player. Mad, youre entitled to your opinion, but you should be able to foresee by now that making certain statements will stir up unneccesary conflict and potential flame wars. Thrasher, great point.
why is a pecking order of any relevance you ask? its just because of that very question, as you read it you will have an emotion or a response which will outline a little how you really feel, evrything is nice in forum land but at the end of the day civ rev is won by one person and one person only i played a tourny match against grizzly french vs indians he won in 5 turns , thats normal i played grizzley 2 games in a bracket and beat him both times thats luck, hope you get what im tryning to say here .
I was under the impression it was headless
but of course I only have that from reading comments and such.
Here is my top list
1. Morte
1. P2M2
I think Morte is the most unique of the top players. He positions units better than anyone else. You can't understand unless you actually play him.
Pedal plays a lot like myself and Tyshine. He is really fast on the buttons as well, and depends on winning button races. He has played a ton of games.
3. TyShine
3. Headless
TyShine plays a lot like me. He gets the nod over me because he is faster on the buttons and has played more games.
Headless always plays well. Nothing fancy, just good play. I haven't played him since settler moving was a wide used strategy. I'm not sure if he moves often or not. I know for certain that everyone else on this list moves there settler often in H2H.
5. Thrasher
5. Duke
I think I'm better in ancient, Thrasher is better in the long game.
Last edited by dukeblue1987; 08-27-2010 at 02:53 AM.
I know. But since you do use it still, (see underlined) it casts doubt in my mind. Just saying. That doesn't take away all of the great contributions you've made here nor does it mean you are worse in /clean/ games.
And yes, I know that there's also questionable actions by P2M2 that have been brought up before by you. Not saying that there wasn't.
and yes, there's a skill gap (or is it glitch gap) between #2 and 3 and 3 and 4, etc. The gap starts getting larger as the list goes on.
@ Thrasher, obviously. But you're doing it cleanly, which makes you a great player and a better person.
@Aheadoftime: also obviously, but I think the hero worshippers need a reality check. he's one of the best, if not the best, but still he's not perfect.
@Mawpawk: pecking order just leads to crap. What's more important for the forums is the contributions of people. People will recognize others for their contributions, and it doesn't have to lead to game skill or be written down in a list.
we're all winners. except in this thread.
Noone has claimed hes perfect nor has anyone claimed hes a 'hero'. I do see your point that the kid isnt invincible, but i also disagree with your view on his playstyle. Sure he invented a 'glitch' and uses it rarely, but this glitch doesnt compare to any other glitch in the game, and he had discovered it after he had been ranked number 1 for a while. Regardless, this thread is getting more and more useless as the posts progress. I regret posting in it in the first place. Good day to you all.
Not here we're not:
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82964
C'mon folks let's let this thread die nice and peaceful like.
Last edited by FF-GTR; 08-27-2010 at 03:26 AM.
& we're all losers... works for me...
best regards,
Pedal2Metal
@Mawpawk: pecking order just leads to crap. What's more important for the forums is the contributions of people. People will recognize others for their contributions, and it doesn't have to lead to game skill or be written down in a list.[/QUOTE]
people recognize what they want when they want nobody here was forced to talk in this thread so stop harping on about wether you think its right or wrong, i wanted to know who evry1 thought was third best, big deal evrything else we know is written down in a list i wanted to know peoples opinions and now i do somme1 private messaged me evrything i was curious about and articulated it in such a way as to make this whole thread relevant.
you all know there is a pecking order but you want to pretend there isnt?
anyways lets end this silly thread i got my answers and some people are gona get there panties twisted.
headless is the third man.
end.
[QUOTE=MorteEterna;1055678]Over these people, I think TyShine is ok.
To the causal observer this may come off as an insult. To people who know Morte this is a big compliment. Funny that you would say this as I think Ive played some of my worst games with you.
BTW I dont like this thread either.
We will know the 3rd best after the Champions bracket.
I think the trick to a thread like this is to not comment much about yourself (or just preipherally). First it helps stop anything getting personal and second If everyone else thinks you are good it will have more weight than if you repeat it (and thus no one else bothers to talk). If they dont say it you can chalk it up to the inexactness of the system or just wait for someone who has played you to remind everyone.
So Morte I dont think you need to be here arguing you are better than p2m2. let someone else do that for you and it will be much more effective and plesant.
Lol.........
Is this just a xbox thing, or are there any challengers on the ps3?
I just had to laugh at my last post, it said 666 like im the devil
The real question is....
Who gives a flying fluck?
Just seems like a really trivial and pointless thing to be discussing. Go play some matches, claim that luck's too big a factor to declare a true favorite, and pretend it never happened.
stupid playinggggggggg!!!!!!!!! I hate this game!
Doing okay Scottie!?!? haha!
As bad as some people think this thread might be, because of the egos, it reminds me that I can't wait for Civ Rev 2. Right now I just don't have the time or motivation to compete well in this game---partly b/c of work and partly b/c it's not as fun as 2 years ago. But when Civ Rev 2 comes out it will be fun (and probably bad/ugly/not fun) to see who competes the best. I myself plan to pick up the game as soon as it comes out, if it ever does, so I can see for myself just how good everyone is from the very beginning. And maybe this time some of us noobs will be able to compete with the likes of Headless and Morte b/c we all now have a lot more experience, not only in terms of strat but also a better awareness of how others exploit glitches.
Lol, this thread must have made me angry, I don't even remember making that post....
hahahha my wife is crazy.. she posted that. that being said I think your post indicates you correctly infer my position on civ rev currently.
I really don't see why people hate this thread so much. I personally think it is because certain people couldn't be considered number 1 or 2 and dang sure not a confirmed number 3. Each 6 months as players come and go... new kings of civ rev come to light. The ones that continue to play Should have nomination. Neither of those top 2 play anymore and half the forum members of today would beat them over 40% of the time at the least in tournaments held. Again this post was made long ago but this argument who is the best in a new thread in which Rambler so kindly decided to make. I believe a group consensus should be made. Those that choose to join in the voting of best CURRENT civ rev players of all-time(does it make sense) will be acknowledged and those who miss out or want to cry about who is nominated to be in a ordered fashion of "who's the best" shut up and mind their biz. But to throw in my two cents of who are the best and this is just off comments made in posts and other relative matter.... Morte=!, P2M2=2 and number 3...... Multi, lol!
ha an old classic noobie thread of mine ,ahhh them were the dayz, funny 2 see how different the posts wer compared 2days current civ addicts wer all alot more competitive 2day i think
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