[Xbox360] screen tearing, Anti Aliasing, Demo VS retail

[coiken]

Dear Elizabeth,

With all the commotion around the missing grass in the PS3 version people seem to forget to point out some of the real issues we're having with the demo:

1: No Anti Aliasing (AA)
2: Enormous screen tearing
3: Performance drops (not that much but they are there)

Can you please confirm if these issues will be resolved in the retail version? If I'm not mistaken I once read somewhere xbox360 demos in general don't have AA, so this could mean the full version will look better, no? Could you please check this with the development team and let us know?

The above mentioned issues will affect the experience alot and are thus IMHO far more important then some missing grass textures :-s

Please PS3 peeps, you guys/ girls already asked all attention during the last couple of days, don't spam this thread with PS3 issues!

@2K, I think you guys are now up to a huge challenge to save your reputation, I would advise you to put some clear screenshots and videos online asap showing of how the game will look in real (with clear description of what platform they are on) ... doing this might also save you from a class action against you... cause I expect some crazy tenacious gamers might go for it.

[Andrew360llooll]

Dear Elizabeth,

With all the commotion around the missing grass in the PS3 version people seem to forget to point out some of the real issues we're having with the demo:

1: No Anti Aliasing (AA)
2: Enormous screen tearing
3: Performance drops (not that much but they are there)

Can you please confirm if these issues will be resolved in the retail version? If I'm not mistaken I once read somewhere xbox360 demos in general don't have AA, so this could mean the full version will look better, no? Could you please check this with the development team and let us know?

The above mentioned issues will affect the experience alot and are thus IMHO far more important then some missing grass textures :-s

Please PS3 peeps, you guys/ girls already asked all attention during the last couple of days, don't spam this thread with PS3 issues!

@2K, I think you guys are now up to a huge challenge to save your reputation, I would advise you to put some clear screenshots and videos online asap showing of how the game will look in real (with clear description of what platform they are on) ... doing this might also save you from a class action against you... cause I expect some crazy tenacious gamers might go for it.

The demo has been released first at E3 2010 so it's been 2 months now,and they better have fixed all those issues untill the release of the game,but I doubt that the AA will be better because the xbox 360/playstation 3 AA is very weak,and remember what elizabeth said yesterday:"Nothing was ported. Each version was built on its own system - be it PS3, 360, or PC. That's actually one of the reasons for the slight variations - there is no port here."

And this is the biggest problem,and also this game is NOT made by 2KGames,it's made by 2KCZECK or however you spell it.I already cancelled my pre-order and wait for some reviews and Liz,you answered to the "It's time for answers" thread,now we want some answers!

[Gold]

It really has no AA, it's just terrible.. That's the only problem I'm notecing and it's really hard not to..

[coiken]

^^indeed, there seem to be no AA at all... I don't get why no more people re complaining about this!
At the end in reviews this is gonna be what is costing them their good score and
NOT the lack of grass!
Liz, please reply

[Gold]

I try to enjoy the game, but my eays always look at the terrible aliased lines..Everything is okay exept that, and it realy ruins the game becose your eays kinda start to hurt..

[marchi]

I wouldn't be too concerned guys. Demos are just that. They are not really a true representation of the final product. And remember, if the issues were as bad as those we're getting from the demo in the real thing, reviewers would have no hesitation from acknowledging that fact.

[Gold]

It might be, becose Elizabeth already confirmed the PS3 will be the same as the demo, so I got a little worried about the 360

[coiken]

I wouldn't be too concerned guys. Demos are just that. They are not really a true representation of the final product. And remember, if the issues were as bad as those we're getting from the demo in the real thing, reviewers would have no hesitation from acknowledging that fact.

*/conspiracy Theory mode On* What if the review copies where different in a way... What if they gave review copies out that had great gfx and where they took the missing cpu power from other parts that reviewers might not immediately notice.
I'm just saying... you know, they fake the screenshots, so why not go further?

[Daz1967]

Actually it isn't unheard of. Bionic Commando from Capcom when it was released on the PC was stripped of its promised DX10 support but the review build apparently had it, including AA support too. Granted that was because GRIN, the developers, went bust but it nevertheless annoying to have the back of retail box boldly proclaim it had DX10 enhancements when it was DX9 only.

[marchi]

It might be, becose Elizabeth already confirmed the PS3 will be the same as the demo, so I got a little worried about the 360

Elizabeth stated that it would be similar but people need to realize that these Demo's are compressed to there lowest possible amount to decrease file size for download.

[MafiaLord]

Dont hold your breath, They will not answer any questions. They want to keep everything and all screw ups quiet until after they sell as many copies as they can.

[DarkGod]

Consoles don't do AA do they? If they do don't expect them to look amazing. Consoles are limited, its old hardware. If the graphics bother you so much, than don't buy the game. It's really that simple. Graphics lovers on console gaming, I've heard everything now... Get a gaming pc if you're a graphics lover like me.

[coiken]

Consoles don't do AA do they? If they do don't expect them to look amazing. Consoles are limited, its old hardware. If the graphics bother you so much, than don't buy the game. It's really that simple. Graphics lovers on console gaming, I've heard everything now... Get a gaming pc if you're a graphics lover like me.

Look kid, I've been a real PC gamer for ages but once you have your own home and wife, etc... it's just easier to play a game once in a while from within the comfort of your big seat in the living room while gaming on the big screen.
So you invest at least 1000€ a year so you can play those 2 or 3 games that look better on PC?
Unbelievable, telling me what to do... little ****... I am gaming since pong was created, I've seen the birth of gaming, I was a Pc only gamer for over 20 years and you are gonne tell me what to do?? Get from under your rock (read: out of mommy's cellar)

Djees man, I really don't like your way of writing... you sound like a ****in' ******* who thinks the whole world is turning around his little sorry ass! Do like me, do like me... and what, become a sad little turd like you?! no thanks!

Think you heard everything now? well MF* I guess you just got your first PC from your daddy for su*** **** cause in case yoou where a gamer for already a longer time you would know that the current gen consoles succeeded to have the better gfx when they were introduced... it's only since 2 or 3 years max that the PC's are getting clearly the better hand again.

The fact is that the current generation of consoles can do alot more then what I've seen in this demo... I guess you never saw uncharted 2 did ya?
Agreed, a PC can handle more, but how many games are well optimized for your PC and are using the full potential of it? If a developer creates a game for the 360 he knows exactly what hardware he is writing his code for so they should be able to perfectly optimize!

I've loved MAfia 1, I was looking forward to the sequel... 2K always claimed it would look amazing on consoles and then they deliver this? Sorry for having some expectations after all the BS they've been telling us.

[TheAbsoluTurk]

Like I said before, get in line! The 360 footage I've seen on Gametrailers looks great, calm yourself.

[TheAbsoluTurk]

Double Post

[coiken]

TheAbsoluTurk;1019488]Like I said before, get in line! The 360 footage I've seen on Gametrailers looks great, calm yourself.

The PS3 movies I saw also looked amazing and look now what you've got... not grass :-))

Sorry mate but the grass is just a minor issue compared to the terrible lack on AA!
You PS3 folks already took hostage of this forum for the past days so please keep this thread for the xbox issues!

[DarkGod]

Wow, big boy can curse at me. And he is the kid calling the 23 year old/be 24 tommorrow a boy with his big curse words he learned from the internet.

[coiken]

Wow, big boy can curse at me. And he is the kid calling the 23 year old/be 24 tommorrow a boy with his big curse words he learned from the internet.

^^ Cool guy living in momma's basement

[coiken]

Back on topic:

The facts:
- Both console versions look like crap, there is no AA at all!
- Both consoles have already proven to be more then capable to show us some nice gfx
- Boris from Gamekings claims in his review, Mafia II looks amazing compaired to the demo, he even mentions the lack of AA in the demo and confirms it was fixed in his preview copy
- Elizabeth claims the demo = final quality, so no AA

So what we want:

Elizabeth, for once and for all, can you please confirm if the retail game will have indeed the same terrible gfx as the demo or where you mistaken and did you just mean that they both look pretty similar when you look at them from 20meter away... but once you actually see the screen you notice a big difference between both versions, demo looks terrible, retail looks ok

[sousekd]

Back on topic:
- Boris from Gamekings claims in his review, Mafia II looks amazing compaired to the demo, he even mentions the lack of AA in the demo and confirms it was fixed in his preview copy
- Elizabeth claims the demo = final quality, so no AA

Please can you post a link to the review?

[dreamweaver]

Here's a really good tech analysis of the demos:

http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot....s3-vs-360.html

Both console versions come off very badly indeed. 2k have already confirmed that the Ps3 final version is the same as the demo, lets hope that's not the case with the Xbox one too.

[15643]

Elizabeth stated that it would be similar but people need to realize that these Demo's are compressed to there lowest possible amount to decrease file size for download.

Do you have a link to that statement, my man?

[coiken]

Please can you post a link to the review?

http://www.gamekings.tv/videos/previ...t-op-mafia-ii/

There you go, dunno how good your dutch is :-)

[sousekd]

Here's a really good tech analysis of the demos:

http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot....s3-vs-360.html

Both console versions come off very badly indeed. 2k have already confirmed that the Ps3 final version is the same as the demo, lets hope that's not the case with the Xbox one too.

Thanks, 2K should read it and delay the game until fixed :-(

[Daz1967]

Here's a really good tech analysis of the demos:

http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot....s3-vs-360.html

Both console versions come off very badly indeed. 2k have already confirmed that the Ps3 final version is the same as the demo, lets hope that's not the case with the Xbox one too.

That was a great article and pretty much sums up my own views of the dreadful console builds of the game. The PS3 demo was the worst but the 360 one wasn't much better either. It's very disappointing to see such a shoddy looking console game after the delights of Red Dead Redemption on the Xbox 360; it's like both builds needed an extra year of polishing really to bring them up to scratch. I haven't seen such ghastly amounts of screen tearing in a game since Saints Row but at least the developers patched that game after numerous complaints and added a v-sync option.

[MarcusSpinner]

Hi I'm new to the forum and the game, I played mafia on the pc in the past

Now I see this sequal and the demo is really "BAD" , it looks like a cheap scam. The graphics are blurry and there is no AA. Also the interaction in the demo lacks any satifacation. It's fun just one time and then the fun stops. The demo show you some features of the game, but if the demo represents the total layout of the game it's going to be bad. I think a low rate will be giving because of the phycis. The story looks fine. The mission in the demo gave me a postive feeling. Still free roaming felt like a ripoff and there is no feeling of a real city what so ever!

I think when the game will come out it will not get the grade like sandbox games as GTA or RED DEAD REDEMPTION. It's more comparible with crackdown and crackdown feels more realistic. I hope for the fans it won't be a disappointment!

[coiken]

Elizabeth, can you please reply at my questions?

- Will the Xbox360 final version have better Anti aliasing then what we saw in the demo?

[coiken]

Dear Elizabeth,

With all the commotion around the missing grass in the PS3 version people seem to forget to point out some of the real issues we're having with the demo:

1: No Anti Aliasing (AA)
2: Enormous screen tearing
3: Performance drops (not that much but they are there)

Can you please confirm if these issues will be resolved in the retail version? If I'm not mistaken I once read somewhere xbox360 demos in general don't have AA, so this could mean the full version will look better, no? Could you please check this with the development team and let us know?

The above mentioned issues will affect the experience alot and are thus IMHO far more important then some missing grass textures :-s

Please PS3 peeps, you guys/ girls already asked all attention during the last couple of days, don't spam this thread with PS3 issues!

@2K, I think you guys are now up to a huge challenge to save your reputation, I would advise you to put some clear screenshots and videos online asap showing of how the game will look in real (with clear description of what platform they are on) ... doing this might also save you from a class action against you... cause I expect some crazy tenacious gamers might go for it.

Dear,

Please answer... don't think we really ask that much of you (compaired to the PS3 boys)

[Andrew360llooll]

Dear,

Please answer... don't think we really ask that much of you (compaired to the PS3 boys)

Hello,she actually answered my PM and she said that the demo has sharper edges than the full version of the game,so this isn't their final build but what you see in the demo will be in the game.

[coiken]

Hello,she actually answered my PM and she said that the demo has sharper edges than the full version of the game,so this isn't their final build but what you see in the demo will be in the game.

Thanks for the info mate! So there is still some hope! :-)

[15643]

Hello,she actually answered my PM and she said that the demo has sharper edges than the full version of the game,so this isn't their final build but what you see in the demo will be in the game.

Sounds promising I doubt she would say something like that if it wasn't true.

[MafiaLord]

Sounds promising I doubt she would say something like that if it wasn't true.

Well she never answered my question over two days ago about the terrible screen terring on the 360....WHY you ask? Because they will duck this issue until after they get as many opening sells as possible and still never resolve the issue.

[coiken]

comon Liz, answer please

[coiken]

You ignoring me Elizabeth? Do I really ask that much?

[MafiaLord]

You ignoring me Elizabeth? Do I really ask that much?

Dude, No way would she jeopardize losing her job on answering a question we all know they will ignore. Sad aint it.

[coiken]

Dude, No way would she jeopardize losing her job on answering a question we all know they will ignore. Sad aint it.

Yes it is.... Liz, honey, don't you love me anymore?

[Gold]

Finaly the attention goes to the 360 owners..I hope there will be some form off AA becose this is un-playable without your eays hurting

[Vulcanproject]

Finaly the attention goes to the 360 owners..I hope there will be some form off AA becose this is un-playable without your eays hurting

Are your eays some sort of ear/eye combined organ?

[DarkGod]

It's fine, nothing wrong with the console version except spoiled brats who don't know what dated hardware is. The 360 is 5 years old and the ps3 is 4 years old.

[coiken]

It's fine, nothing wrong with the console version except spoiled brats who don't know what dated hardware is. The 360 is 5 years old and the ps3 is 4 years old.

Why don't you go ***** *******
Unbelievable how some pathetic ********* try to take hostage this thread!

Yes the hardware is dated BUT there is definitely something wrong with this demo! It's just not normal what they did with the AA!