Bullets dont make cars explode

[abrr2000]

despite what movies tell you it is nearly impossible to make a car explode using only bullets. The reason is that petrol, or gas as those in the US call it. does not burn in it's liquid form. (note: you can light a puddle of petrol because the fumes directly above it burn, and the heat from the fire makes more fumes, which then burn... etc.)

One of the things I loved about the origional mafia game was it's realistic aproach to the actual destructability of vehicles. (given the technology of the time) so seing a trailor where one of the development team said that shooting the gas tank would make a car explode just simply made me groan. In mafia 1 if you shoot the fuel tank, it starts to leak. No explosion. Just leaks.

THIS IS CORRECT!

as far as I'm aware it's the only game ever released to get this right. and in my book gets allot of cudos for this. It is therefore very sadening for me, that Mafia 2 has forgotten this in favour for the lies spread by movies and other arcade games.

I can only prey that an option can / will be added to swap the way the fuel tank behaves when shot between "movie mode" (explodes) and "Real Life" (leaks).

[Ranich]

I can only prey that an option can / will be added to swap the way the fuel tank behaves when shot between "movie mode" (explodes) and "Real Life" (leaks).

Keep on praying.

[Spiral Static]

It's a videogame.

[nezzer]

This again... But I think MANUAL TRANSMISSION is more important

[glesson]

You're not correct. In M1 when Tommy was outside the warehouse in which Morello Jr. was hiding in the docks, he started the explosion by using the cigar+petrol combination we've seen in a ton of movies. This isn't realistic (proven on Discovery Channel ). Soooo as Spiral Static said - it's just a game. Otherwise it would have been a lot of fun if Vito dies once during the whole story and the game to start all over again, or even better to block you from playing more... ever.

[Ranich]

This again... But I think MANUAL TRANSMISSION is more important

I don't know how you honestly want manual transmission that bad, I thought it was one of the most useless features in Mafia.

[abrr2000]

maybe so, but there is a huge long list of games already out there where you can make vehicles explode simply by blowing holes in the bodywork. It was one of the things that made the origional game stand out from the crowd as just simply BETTER!

If all you want is to blow stuff up in unrealistic ways. Your spoilt for choice. But if you want to blow stuff up, shoot things to bits in the way the world actually works... so far, it's a damn short list. (thanks to movies and there over hyped explosions)

[Fugue]

One of the things I loved about the origional mafia game was it's realistic aproach to the actual destructability of vehicles. (given the technology of the time) so seing a trailor where one of the development team said that shooting the gas tank would make a car explode just simply made me groan. In mafia 1 if you shoot the fuel tank, it starts to leak. No explosion. Just leaks.

you can shoot approx 10 rounds from a Tommy into a cars radiator in Mafia 1 and it will explode, not very realistic... and cars would explode with one well placed shot in mafia 1, I've done it many times.

I did like the leaky tanks in Mafia 1, but as for cars blowing up, they just should, it's a movie like action game, things just look better when they go boom

[McGee]

maybe so, but there is a huge long list of games already out there where you can make vehicles explode simply by blowing holes in the bodywork. It was one of the things that made the origional game stand out from the crowd as just simply BETTER!

If all you want is to blow stuff up in unrealistic ways. Your spoilt for choice. But if you want to blow stuff up, shoot things to bits in the way the world actually works... so far, it's a damn short list. (thanks to movies and there over hyped explosions)

Jesus christ's it's a videogame for christ sake! It's a form of escapism for some. Games are meant to be fun.

[Wise-Guy]

As said above, 'Its a game' ! No doubt if we couldn't blow up cars by shooting them more people would be complaining !

Basically it just adds more action to the game, even the demo when your shooting the cars from the window with the machine gun at the start, if the cars just sat there with a few wholes in it, it would be crap !

Also, isn't this game supposed to be like a typical Mafia style film? they blow up in films, so they should blow up in game.

[Sonix]

I don't know how you honestly want manual transmission that bad, I thought it was one of the most useless features in Mafia.

Have you played the first Mafia with a wheel?It's a one of a kind experience.

[Faenix1]

Why does this forum seem to be the only forum in the world that values realism over anything else?

Like the "Ammo disappears upon reload", some of you make it out to be some kind of deal breaker. :S

I like realism, but you cant expect EVERYTHING to be.

[Tommy Mafioso]

It's a videogame.

Hold up.

Weren't you one of those guys arguing against shooting from cars because its "not realistic"?

[McGee]

Why does this forum seem to be the only forum in the world that values realism over anything else?

Like the "Ammo disappears upon reload", some of you make it out to be some kind of deal breaker. :S

I like realism, but you cant expect EVERYTHING to be.

Agreed. To some, Mafia 2 is already considered a FAILURE to some. Jeez Louise.

[McGee]

Hold up.

Weren't you one of those guys arguing against shooting from cars because its "not realistic"?

Of course, and it is unrealistic.

But to ask for every little piece of Mafia 2 to be realistic is ridiculous.

[abrr2000]

yes it is a game... and games typically come with options. you see. it enables people to tailor the game experience to there tastes.

for example... how realistically cars explode, manual gear changes Y/N, do regular cars appear on the radar... etc etc.

[Wicked Mouse]

Heh, I remember that Mythbusters episode about shooting fuel tanks compared to what happens in movies.

[Tommy Mafioso]

Of course, and it is unrealistic.

But to ask for every little piece of Mafia 2 to be realistic is ridiculous.

No you just cherry pick what to apply your bs realism arguments to.

[Mafiashock]

Ummmmm cars do explode in mafia 1...so it's just as unrealistic as mafia 2 is in that department.

[Wise-Guy]

yes it is a game... and games typically come with options. you see. it enables people to tailor the game experience to there tastes.

for example... how realistically cars explode, manual gear changes Y/N, do regular cars appear on the radar... etc etc.

It would take decades for a game to be created were there are hundreds of different ways to play a game just to suit every individual, to include a 'feature' were you can change what happens when you shoot something would be an expensive waste of time.

[Slih]

Jesus christ's it's a videogame for christ sake! It's a form of escapism for some. Games are meant to be fun.

Considering how the developers said they wanted to make the game as real and authentic as possible why is it so bad to point out these flaws?

Yes it's a game, but there's enough unrealistic arcade games out there already. If I wanted to play Halo I would do it.

And yes I also hate exploding cars, they could have at least toned it down to make those explosions more rare and rewarding.

[McGee]

No you just cherry pick what to apply your bs realism arguments to.

So your saying, you would be happy if Mafia 2 was a simulation type of a game?

[McGee]

Considering how the developers said they wanted to make the game as real and authentic as possible why is it so bad to point out these flaws?

Yes it's a game, but there's enough unrealistic arcade games out there already. If I wanted to play Halo I would do it.

And yes I also hate exploding cars, they could have at least toned it down to make those explosions more rare and rewarding.

Because Mafia 1 had exploding cars, so why should the 2nd be any different?

[abrr2000]

Why does this forum seem to be the only forum in the world that values realism over anything else?

Like the "Ammo disappears upon reload", some of you make it out to be some kind of deal breaker. :S

I like realism, but you cant expect EVERYTHING to be.

the answer is elimentarry my dear Faenix1

mafia1 stood out from the crowd because it did things very differently to those games arround it at the time. The main things were 1) big map 2)strong story 3) more realism


Manyfans of the origional game (like myself) want to see item 3 implimented to some degree in it's sequel. features that are still uncomon in games to this day, even though they worked.

[glesson]

Because Mafia 1 had exploding cars, so why should the 2nd be any different?

Because Mafia 1 had melee weapons and Mafia II doesn't.

Some of the threads are getting ridiculous...

[Fugue]

they explode very easily in Mafia 1, but it's true that Mafia 2 is "easier" in that respect.

a few shots to the right spot does it, with Mafia 1 that was really more luck than judgement, but in some ways it's better, I do like looking on the cars for the sweet spot whne I've got into scraps with the cops

[McGee]

they explode very easily in Mafia 1, but it's true that Mafia 2 is "easier" in that respect.

a few shots to the right spot does it, with Mafia 1 that was really more luck than judgement, but in some ways it's better, I do like looking on the cars for the sweet spot whne I've got into scraps with the cops

Really? Because during the buzzsaw mission, where your given the machine gun. It took me at least a minute to blow up a car. I was surprised by that. An for some cars it really difficult to find the sweet spot.

[Tommy Mafioso]

So your saying, you would be happy if Mafia 2 was a simulation type of a game?

No.

What i'm saying is you're a hardcore delusional little fanboy and it's pointless arguing with you.

[McGee]

the answer is elimentarry my dear Faenix1

mafia1 stood out from the crowd because it did things very differently to those games arround it at the time. The main things were 1) big map 2)strong story 3) more realism


Manyfans of the origional game (like myself) want to see item 3 implimented to some degree in it's sequel. features that are still uncomon in games to this day, even though they worked.

But why are you acting like Mafia 1 didn't have cars exploding by guns shots? I understand if they didn't in Mafia 1, but the fact they did makes your argument sound strange

[McGee]

No.

What i'm saying is you're a hardcore delusional little fanboy and it's pointless arguing with you.

Of course I am. An I'm proud of that. I've been waiting for this game 8 years. I remember waiting, creating countdowns for e3, gamescon. Scowering the internet for any type of info. Dissecting each photograph, each trailer.

That's why I'm here. I want Mafia 2 to succeed. It's my best friend, something who I will always fight for, something I will always defend.

Call me blind, call me delusional, whatever. But I am, what I am.

[Wise-Guy]

Thinking about it, the only time i have blown up a car in this demo, is when i purposley aimed for the petrol tank to the rear of the car !

I really don't see what the problem is with some of you guys !

[glesson]

Thinking about it, the only time i have blown up a car in this demo, is when i purposley aimed for the petrol tank to the rear of the car !

I really don't see what the problem is with some of you guys !

You're right. This topic fails from the beginning.

[Fugue]

Really? Because during the buzzsaw mission, where your given the machine gun. It took me at least a minute to blow up a car. I was surprised by that. An for some cars it really difficult to find the sweet spot.

I think that's meant to happen, dont take out the cars with the MG42, then go out and try and shoot them in the expected "sweet spot" I tried and they just didn't want to blow up like the others, it's almost like they're armoured for that scene.

I meant easier in that if you find the fuel cap on a car and fire a few shots at it the car blows up, you can't do that in Mafia 1.

[Mafiashock]

Op said cars don't explode at all in mafia 1. His argument falls flat and his logic is flawed.

[Fugue]

it was more realistic in that you could shoot a hole in the tank, but 10 shots into a radiator and then boom... not realistic at all, but again it made the game a little more interesting, like in the great deal car park shootout when the other cars arrive, it just makes the game a little more "fun".

[abrr2000]

No one is saying that cars should not explode in mafia 2. Because they should. Explosions are fun.

But if there too easy to achieve then they loose somethng. the whole game looses something. I do want to be able to blow up cars. what gangster game player wouldnt? But when I make it go boom, I want to have to do it properly, and feel like I have achieved something truely spectacular.

set it on fire, and waite a few moments. BOOM! Or a scripted event where it is supposed to go off because Vito is supposed to get luckey. Or better yet, simply lobing a granade near it.

There are a thousand games out there to quench some peoples thirst for overdose explosions. Why is it unreasonable to ask the fans of reasonable explodability not to give up one of the very few franchises ever to deliver this? (and no it wasnt perfect, but then mafia 1 is an old game.)

[McGee]

No one is saying that cars should not explode in mafia 2. Because they should. Explosions are fun.

But if there too easy to achieve then they loose somethng. the whole game looses something. I do want to be able to blow up cars. what gangster game player wouldnt? But when I make it go boom, I want to have to do it properly, and feel like I have achieved something truely spectacular.

set it on fire, and waite a few moments. BOOM! Or a scripted event where it is supposed to go off because Vito is supposed to get luckey. Or better yet, simply lobing a granade near it.

There are a thousand games out there to quench some peoples thirst for overdose explosions. Why is it unreasonable to ask the fans of reasonable explodability not to give up one of the very few franchises ever to deliver this? (and no it wasnt perfect, but then mafia 1 is an old game.)

Yes but don't you think it's more fair to actually play the final game, and then post this. The demo is quite old, and according to the reviewers represents nothing of what they saw in Mafia 2.

[Don_Vito]

Of course I am. An I'm proud of that. I've been waiting for this game 8 years. I remember waiting, creating countdowns for e3, gamescon. Scowering the internet for any type of info. Dissecting each photograph, each trailer.

That's why I'm here. I want Mafia 2 to succeed. It's my best friend, something who I will always fight for, something I will always defend.

Call me blind, call me delusional, whatever. But I am, what I am.

I thought Ameican McGee was your best friend And yeah it's been a long wait but it's so close to being over. I for one will enjoy it for the story and the atmosphere, I know most of the controls so that won't be a problem everything else is trivial

New Alice game coming out next year

[ReggioCalabria]

You're not correct. In M1 when Tommy was outside the warehouse in which Morello Jr. was hiding in the docks, he started the explosion by using the cigar+petrol combination we've seen in a ton of movies. This isn't realistic (proven on Discovery Channel ). Soooo as Spiral Static said - it's just a game. Otherwise it would have been a lot of fun if Vito dies once during the whole story and the game to start all over again, or even better to block you from playing more... ever.

My god, could you imagine that? A game with one life....ever?

[abrr2000]

Op said cars don't explode at all in mafia 1. His argument falls flat and his logic is flawed.

no one ever said cars dont explode in mafia 1... His argument falls flat and his logic is flawed.

Yes but don't you think it's more fair to actually play the final game, and then post this. The demo is quite old, and according to the reviewers represents nothing of what they saw in Mafia 2.

Dont you think it is fair to let people express an opinion without flooding half the thread or trying to make it look like there opinion is silly? (not accusing anyone in particular) besides lets look at the logic of this. the point of a demo is two fould. 1) boost sales of game 2) test product. I am responding to point 2. So I think it is actually more fair TO THE PRODUCTION TEAM to raise the issue before the release of the full game.