The gunplay in the first game was nothing short of amazing. How did they improve it?Originally Posted by Spiral Static
Signed! I'd even go farther and say that I'd prefer Mafia II with the exact same technology (graphics etc.) as the first game over the watered down arcade-y Mafia II we're getting.
Because I've played Mafia in 2009 and it was every bit as awesome and perfect as in 2002. Why wouldn't it be?
There is a reason why the PC version has an 88 on Metacritic, and the PS2 version has a 65.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/plat.../mafia?q=mafia
http://www.metacritic.com/games/plat.../mafia?q=mafia
In your world yes. In the world of 2010, it's not. Crouching behind a car in stupid, dynamic covering, with blind firing is much more realistic, and useful (since in real life you would take cover, rather than crouch behind a car)...
Who said I never played the Pc version? I did, and the gameplay was just as bad.
Just trying to save face there, huh? Anyway, you're obviously alone with your opinion, even though I doubt you've ever touched the PC version.
You doubt? So your the stalker always stalking me?
I played the ps2 version first in 08, and noticed it was god awful bad. I came to these forums, and noticed how everyone raved that the pc version was WAY better. I played it, and it was. But the gameplay was just as bad.
How can it be "way better" when the gameplay is "just as bad"? What was better and why is the gameplay so bad?
It sounds like you're pretty young; you may want to stop calling stuff "bad" without explaining what makes it bad.
The saving on the ps2 version is awful. There's also no map you can refer back to, there's also a multitude of things that made it better. Graphically it was WAY better as well.
The gameplay was horrible because of these reasons:
1: The crouching is very unrealistic, and covering, with blind firing is way better, and way more realistic. So for you it's a plus, but I'm way more used to games with a cover system...
2: The melee combat with the baseball hats, were horrendous. They felt very clunkish.
Yeah blah blah fighting blah blah shooting blah blah crouching, all that pap isn't important, I want to change my own gears...
I played it again last weekend. it was great (for its time), but I would not pay $60 for Mafia 1 today. It was phenomenal then and now, but there is a significant drop in gameplay when compared to modern games, and why shouldn't there be? Its 8 years old
I keep trying to continue Mafia I, but I find the graphics horribly distracting though understandable for the time, I also find combat to be very clumsy, as for the story, well lets just say I'm still trying to get into it.
i wouldn't say its that bad (graphics and story). the only thing i agree with you on is the gameplay (ESPECIALLY ON SARAH AND BETTER GET USED TO IT). Besides that, I thought it stood the test of time pretty darn well.
There's no reason why "old" gameplay would be any worse than "modern" gameplay.
We're not talking about technical limitations. Modern graphics are obviously better because we have faster machines nowadays. But anything we can do gameplay related today could have been done 10 years ago. They just didn't deem it necessary, and it wasn't.
In most real life situations it makes a lot more sense to crouch behind an object, gripping the firearm with both hands and getting to aim properly than to stand against a wall with your back with the enemy behind you.
But if all that Gears of War nonsense is considered "modern" today then I guess I'm just old school.
I also much prefer the "old" and realistic way of reloading weapons and losing the rounds in the discarded magazine. But that poses a bit of a challenge, and the modern gamer can't deal with it apparently.
When Mafia came out I distinctly recall while playing it, that the cover system seemed to be minimal and the shooting fairly forgiving, that it still was pretty well done. Of course comparing it to games at that time, that had driving and shooting I figured compromises had been made, but it was quite an acceptable solution at the time.
Last edited by chalkman; 08-05-2010 at 10:26 PM.
In essence, no manual shift means no drag racing.
Y'all are dorks (ct03)...getting so upset because a video game you love is coming to consoles. Go outside once in a while and worry about actual problems. Saying that the game is selling out to the idiotic console masses does nothing but make YOU look childish, ignorant and idiotic.
Last edited by Mafiashock; 08-05-2010 at 10:13 PM.
It's not really known. I know it was suggested in the Greaser Promo pack text, but obviously manual shifting is the way to go if you are gonna do it. Hmm, wonder if wheel slip is in the game as well.
That wheel slip is my biggest problem on PC. I want it. But in a game like Mafia, I don't want it always.
What is the use of doing a burnout to 40mph at every stop while following traffic regulations?
You could argue that you are supposed to always rush and race through traffic. But then, what is the une of traffic regulations as in Mafia?
That's why manual gears are so great. You can pull away, slot it into 3rd or 4th and ride along calmly at low rpm, then drop it into second and tear off when necessary...
Typically it would be car limited to one that had an over abundance of HP. For example for '32 Ford in the Greaser pack i would think it having the capability of it when mashing the gas. This feature really is controller specific to a large degree because with an xbox 360 controller, say, you got no choice you get it every time. But with a wheel, you only get it when you want it. Perhaps that will be a by product of the Sim mod vs Arcade mode?
With many other vehicles not capable of the big burnout, hypothetically, you'd have some options based on the car you drive. At least that is one way of doing it.
Last edited by chalkman; 08-05-2010 at 10:36 PM.
I don't care on which platforms it's released as long as the gameplay doesn't suffer.
If a game receives universal acclaim from both critics and users, do you make fundamental changes and remove all kinds of things from the sequel? No, of course not.
So why then DID they remove/change all kinds of things? Because the demographic is different this time around.
You don't need to be a marketing expert to realize that the three main platforms (Wii, PS360, PC) cater to different demographics. Sure, PC and PS360 aren't THAT different, but different enough to cause for example a change in the health system.
It doesn't matter. That's just lazyness, if you can't upgrade the experience of the previous game.
No developer in there right mind would rely on a 8 year old mechanic.
But would happily hamper developmental progress to pander to the 5 year old xbox...
That's why I will always love that Crysis exists, it was too much for consoles (too much for most PCs at the time) and yet they did it anyway and three years on many people can actually enjoy it on their PCs, but still not the static consoles...
An what's the issue?
If the story sucks, if the characters sucks, if Empire bay sucks. Then it won't matter how good the gameplay is.
Mafia 2 is about the story. If Mafia 1 had an average story, there would be no sequel coming, and people would be saying "mafia who?", rather than the cult it's formed today.
Pc elitists are even worse than the 360 and ps3 fanboys.
I think they feel like they are a dying breed....So at every moment they feel it's necessary to defend them, and there pc gaming.
They'll deny it too which is hilarious. The fact is is that the industry is far more console oriented than pc. I don't know what it's like where you're from but at my local game stores they're filled wall to wall with console games and only a very tiny section with 2-3 pc games if that.
yeah same here. Pc gaming, is honestly (and not that I think this) but for nerds, and geeks who like to toy around with all that unnecessary stuff.
Me, I just enjoy video games period.
An could care less about graphic cards, and all that **** that comes along with pc gaming. I guess why it's becoming a dying breed.
Dying breed? Lol
http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php
Console wars really solve nothing, it is all preference.
It's all true. But people stick up for the Polar Bear and other creatures on the verge of extinction, so why shouldn't I sing the praises of the PC as a gaming machine...?
Sure. Star Craft 2 is a popular game, no questions there.
But last I checked they don't have a Starcraft coming out every 2 months.
Look at Modern Warfare 2 sales, or Halo's sale. They exceed way more than any pc sale.
Let keep it real there just as many ps3 and 360 dorks out there!! some console gamers can be just geeky as pc gamers!!
Yes, but that is quite different then a dying breed. I mean who cares? I don't care what platform you play Mafia on, i'm happy that whoever just buys it and supports the dev so we can get a M3.
Well that supports that people are moving towards console gaming, rather than pc gaming. Simply because of drm, and other bs like that.
OK there will never be a final winner over what method is best for playing games. We all have opinions and they will differ. This thread is about lack of manual shifting so feel free to discuss that and not PC vs. Console gaming. We are all gamers no matter what platform we use.
I've tried twice to bring this discussion back on topic, I guess I'm the only person who really cares about the unheard of joys of slotting a gear from one cog to another before the redline... Yes I am a car geek.
*argh*
Last edited by FtRapture; 08-06-2010 at 12:57 AM. Reason: off topic removed
I also do, many games that support the H-shifter are an absolute joy to play for a proper wheel setup. Sorry to see that m2 will not have it, but whaddya gonna do? I will enjoy it regardless.
No, you're not. It's one of my main gripes about Mafia 2.
I work in the VFX industry myself btw and need to keep the workstation up to date. But I'm out of here now because listening to the teenager talk about children in Uganda is just getting too much.
Hmm i thought this was about manual gear changing...not a bloody PC vrs console thread
You know how I was complaining about the lack of melee weapons and some of you said "its no big deal".
That's how I feel about manual shifting^
As far as I'm concerned this is a shoot 'em up. If I was wanting manual shifting I'd buy a racing game.
This just goes to show what I've been saying all along, just because it's no big deal to you doesn't mean it isn't to others.
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