american counters / anti americans USA strategy

[FF-GTR]

So I searched but didn't find a thread on this.

What are people's strategies when against the Americans? They are the one civ I try to play most differently against. Generally, what I understand is to try to hit them as hard as possible early, before they get well into medieval and can utilize their cheap unit bonus. For instance with Arabs I'll go for legion armies off a galley after teching just bronze and iron. Likewise German upgraded elite legion armies. But I'm hoping people have other suggestions because I haven't had too much success when the USA player is good! Of course when they are bad its much easier.

[HydroDragon]

Yeah, you need to keep them under pressure the entire game or they'll just replicate cities and militia indefinetly. And don't just camp their forests, that's useless against America since they can just work gold instead.

Horse or Legion rushes are probably the best way, as you said.

[MadDjinn]

apparently you didn't use the search feature: (before elthrasher gets here :P)

Playing Against the Americans: (Grayson)
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...erican+counter

How to Counter the Americans: (Morte . 3 civ based threads)
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...erican+counter
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...erican+counter
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...erican+counter

[FF-GTR]

So I searched but didn't find a thread on this.

apparently you didn't use the search feature: (before elthrasher gets here :P)

I did. That was my first sentence. I don't know why that didn't pop up. Perhaps I accidentally searched the wrong subforum. Thanks.

EDIT - Bleh. Apparently I searched for "america", "american", "USA" but not "americans" in title. I wish the search engine auto pluralized.

[MadDjinn]

I did. That was my first sentence. I don't know why that didn't pop up. Perhaps I accidentally searched the wrong subforum. Thanks.

EDIT - Bleh. Apparently I searched for "america", "american", "USA" but not "americans" in title. I wish the search engine auto pluralized.

I searched american counter and it found those. it'll search through the posts in the thread as well as the titles.

[Aheadatime]

yeah legions/horses are the way to go, anything past that is probably too slow, unless youre arabs then cats are a good option. your start is much more significant against an america player than against any other player, since youre generally forced to try to win early. what i like to do is keep an eye on their culture milestone. if they settled their GP, they suck. if not, than its game on.

[MadDjinn]

yeah legions/horses are the way to go, anything past that is probably too slow, unless youre arabs then cats are a good option. your start is much more significant against an america player than against any other player, since youre generally forced to try to win early. what i like to do is keep an eye on their culture milestone. if they settled their GP, they suck. if not, than its game on.

also watch the tech. if they don't have HBR by 2900 BC, then they suck.

greeks can tech to math pretty quick (hoplites for defense or a quick run to legions first) same for a COL egypt.

I hate saying it but culture works as well, since the american will spam past being able to recoup to a higher culture level. (Indian medieval culture works as a surprise)

other than that, kill the horses, tech up to a unit that can kill archers and overrun militia (cat's/knights) then assault the american constantly. (bring plenty of archers/militia as spam defense)

[FF-GTR]

I searched american counter and it found those. it'll search through the posts in the thread as well as the titles.

Yeah and I figured it would return 10 bazillion results with two words like that, I set it to titles on purpose.

I just chose the wrong search terms, no biggie...

[Aheadatime]

also watch the tech. if they don't have HBR by 2900 BC, then they suck.

very true. i love it when they get their first tech in 2500, and i check to see, and its BW lol

[Hellogoodbye123]

dont do anything, theres no good american on the ps3 thats not on chatroom, where everyone is banned from the usage of america

checkmate for the hellogoodbinator

[Salmeen10]

I dont think there are many counters other than attack them early and try to kill them or waste their entire gold reserves. Other than that just hope they suck, unless you are using a power civ.

[Sevendust34]

The problem playing America though is that they are gonna most likely come after you harder and faster than you can get to them.

[Aheadatime]

The problem playing America though is that they are gonna most likely come after you harder and faster than you can get to them.

Not true. Only true if they get a GE/GB start. Other than that, theyre just as well off as you are in the early game, and if you have a rusher civ like aztecs or arabs, youre better off due to your ancient boni.

Basically, what you want to do is memorize the american players you come across, and be ready next time. Sometimes i go america against them, other times i just go aztecs if theyre not that great. Keep a mental list of who uses them and who doesnt.

[BigStank]

Not true. Only true if they get a GE/GB start. Other than that, theyre just as well off as you are in the early game, and if you have a rusher civ like aztecs or arabs, youre better off due to your ancient boni.

If your using a rushing civ its wise to be very weary of the GA the american player might have. The americans can have no need to horserush if they can flip that ai cap or ther 100g city with your HA in it. When in doubt of what GP they started with its best to spend as little real time as possible with your armies in cites. The only time I can think of when the americans are really at equal or disadvantage in the ancient is with a GL and a map vacant of huts.

[dukeblue1987]

If your using a rushing civ its wise to be very weary of the GA the american player might have. The americans can have no need to horserush if they can flip that ai cap or ther 100g city with your HA in it. When in doubt of what GP they started with its best to spend as little real time as possible with your armies in cites. The only time I can think of when the americans are really at equal or disadvantage in the ancient is with a GL and a map vacant of huts.

Or the dirty humanitarian start!

Fact is, if you play against a good American player, you will lose a lot.

[Frelinder]

If getting agressive early doesn't work then take off to the islands and tech lika crazy. An american player often "get stucked" in feudalism. He stops expanding and he stops teching. Instead he pumps out knights. if you at this point have nice counterunits on mainland to slow him down and make galley drops to slow him down your islandcitys will help you get adv flight and Bam! 600 AD when he thinks he is unbeatable with his 8 knightarmies your single bombers will take out knightarmy after knightarmy..

Ofcourse against an Amercia player that have 10 knight armies before 0 AD or earlier this will be hard.. As staded earlier against a realy good American player there are few counter strategies that works. Especially if your early rush against him fails..

*cheers*

[Hellogoodbye123]

the counter is as follows:

use Aztec, they destroy everyone! ---->(in h2h 100%)

[Aemon Al Caar]

Well, my one "secret" is to rush a galley before I even get my hundred gold and put a warrior on it.

This has allowed me so many early boat drops on American players who horse rush and forget to defend.

Aemon

[Hellogoodbye123]

Well, my one "secret" is to rush a galley before I even get my hundred gold and put a warrior on it.

This has allowed me so many early boat drops on American players who horse rush and forget to defend.

Aemon

i do that every game lol...

[apsycobear]

I played 2 Americans in a row today as Arabs. Both of them lost to horserush.

If u no ur opponent is gonna be American u cud go Arab. They horserush even better.

[Jackoneill]

Or the dirty humanitarian start!

Fact is, if you play against a good American player, you will lose a lot.

Yea i agree even an half decent american player can cause you some problems.

[elthrasher]

The galley drop is a classic. Nothing like the guy who's got multiple horse armies out but just protects his cap with a GA.

Using the Aztecs or Arabs can work, but if the game gets out of ancient and the other guy knows how to play, then you've really got your work cut out for you. The American player basically just has to survive to medieval, which is a heck of a lot easier than utterly defeating a civ that is also prone to good starts, which is what the Aztecs and Arabs have to do to win.