never finish a match

[cubalibre]

hi all,
first of a all i want to say hello to everybody in the forum! I really enjoy reading the strategy forum and want to thank everybody for all the helpful advice.

I am a big fan of civrev, its almost the only game i play on my ps3. Since i got bored of the ai, i switched to mp a few weeks ago. But i can never play a multiplayer game to the end because it happens always to me that the other players quit early. On the other side i read in the forum about your great games. So my question is in which game-style do the forum players meet? Do you play only ranked games or scenarios? Is there a good time in the day/ week to look around in the lobby for a great game? My nick is cuba49, so if anybody is interested, i say lets play! I usually do not play the power civs, i like to play arabs or atztecs and i am becoming interested in the spanish. Looking forward to a great match!

[sn1p3rk1ll3]

hi all,
first of a all i want to say hello to everybody in the forum! I really enjoy reading the strategy forum and want to thank everybody for all the helpful advice.

I am a big fan of civrev, its almost the only game i play on my ps3. Since i got bored of the ai, i switched to mp a few weeks ago. But i can never play a multiplayer game to the end because it happens always to me that the other players quit early. On the other side i read in the forum about your great games. So my question is in which game-style do the forum players meet? Do you play only ranked games or scenarios? Is there a good time in the day/ week to look around in the lobby for a great game? My nick is cuba49, so if anybody is interested, i say lets play! I usually do not play the power civs, i like to play arabs or atztecs and i am becoming interested in the spanish. Looking forward to a great match!

Add Hellogoodbye123 and join the chat, meet lots of other players and your problems are solved!

I might be on tonight to play a game if you want

[cubalibre]

Thx, will have a look for the chat tonight. Never realized that there is chat included in the game. Is it part of the mp lobby? How can i add another player? (sorry for such simple questions, but i am new to online playing at all)

[sn1p3rk1ll3]

Thx, will have a look for the chat tonight. Never realized that there is chat included in the game. Is it part of the mp lobby? How can i add another player? (sorry for such simple questions, but i am new to online playing at all)

It's on the xmb, go all the way right to your friends list, and a bit above it is the chat thingy

it's a text-chat, but you have to be invited to it to see it.
So start adding friends from the forums here and they'll add you

[mklgry]

I too recently started playing online and I must admit I am one of those who do quit, BUT allow me to explain. I know there is a "strategy" out there using the Aztecs and rushing units immediately with the gold the Aztecs are given as a starting bonus. Once I see someone has selected the Amazons I know what they are gunning for and typically before anyone else can build a unit they have found another civilization and wiped them out. Typically before the first ten turns of the game whoever is playing the Aztecs has wiped out 2 civilizations and has two cities.

I know many will classify this as a wise us of the advantage given to the Aztecs, but since you can read about this "cheat" anywhere online it really doesn't make for a fun or fair game. You've used no strategy at all. You took advantage of a situation and there is no way to stop it. And chances are 99.9999999999% of people using this strategy were even intelligent enough to figure it out for themselves, instead they read about it somewhere online.

So yes as soon as I see someone doing this I immediately exit the game....actually now I pretty much exit immediately upon seeing that someone has chosen the Aztecs as I realize they have read about and are using this strategy.

Sorry for whining but with the advantage of 3 cities before the first 10 turns of the game, even if the player is is barely even decent at the games stategy, there is virtually zero way to come behind from that.

I would call this strategy if everyone didn't know this little "trick", but at best it is only declaring you can't win using your own smarts, civ building and strategy.

[MadDjinn]

I too recently started playing online and I must admit I am one of those who do quit, BUT allow me to explain. I know there is a "strategy" out there using the Aztecs and rushing units immediately with the gold the Aztecs are given as a starting bonus. Once I see someone has selected the Amazons I know what they are gunning for and typically before anyone else can build a unit they have found another civilization and wiped them out. Typically before the first ten turns of the game whoever is playing the Aztecs has wiped out 2 civilizations and has two cities.

I know many will classify this as a wise us of the advantage given to the Aztecs, but since you can read about this "cheat" anywhere online it really doesn't make for a fun or fair game. You've used no strategy at all. You took advantage of a situation and there is no way to stop it. And chances are 99.9999999999% of people using this strategy were even intelligent enough to figure it out for themselves, instead they read about it somewhere online.

So yes as soon as I see someone doing this I immediately exit the game....actually now I pretty much exit immediately upon seeing that someone has chosen the Aztecs as I realize they have read about and are using this strategy.

Sorry for whining but with the advantage of 3 cities before the first 10 turns of the game, even if the player is is barely even decent at the games stategy, there is virtually zero way to come behind from that.

I would call this strategy if everyone didn't know this little "trick", but at best it is only declaring you can't win using your own smarts, civ building and strategy.

they must be playing against severely crappy opponents to do that then and you as well.

This is not a cheat. it is not a trick. The Aztecs start with 25 and can rush a warrior right away. everyone can move their settler. It is their advantage that the developers gave them.

Most likely you aren't using the proper start with your civ (2 workers on 2 forests to get 2 warriors in 5 turns - general, there are some different choices for other civs) and that's why the aztec player is owning their competition.

If they move their settler, then there's a chance that they also can get more cash from goodie huts.

If you think that not having to defend and being allowed to do whatever you like is the way the game is supposed to be played then go back to SP and have fun there or find like minded people and play in private matches. Don't complain about MP matches if you can't play properly.

[cubalibre]

I do not consider playing Aztecs as cheating at all . They are one of the mediocre Civs in this game. Moreover, I never said that I always play them, but I like to play them! Anyway, now I feel bad since I never manage to get 2 enemy caps in the first 10 rounds with Aztecs

@sn1p3rk1ll3: I added you to my friends list. Could you please invite me to the chat if possible? Looking forward to playing against some opponents who don't get usually beaten before 3000bc

[matsgutt]

NOOOOOOO..... Don't quit MP...... First listen to what Mad is saying... Improve your play. How do you do that you ask? Get in that chat room if you are on PS and read the different tactics used by the members of this forum. If you are on the chat many of the players will talk and or discuss how you can play better. Today for example my Spain vs China. He finds the seven cities, AW, and School of C. I am thinking great but I spam cities and beat him to invention and steam power. I tech Industrialization and despite him flipping a nice city of mine the guy quits.........LOL

[matsgutt]

I too recently started playing online and I must admit I am one of those who do quit, BUT allow me to explain. I know there is a "strategy" out there using the Aztecs and rushing units immediately with the gold the Aztecs are given as a starting bonus. Once I see someone has selected the Amazons I know what they are gunning for and typically before anyone else can build a unit they have found another civilization and wiped them out. Typically before the first ten turns of the game whoever is playing the Aztecs has wiped out 2 civilizations and has two cities.

I know many will classify this as a wise us of the advantage given to the Aztecs, but since you can read about this "cheat" anywhere online it really doesn't make for a fun or fair game. You've used no strategy at all. You took advantage of a situation and there is no way to stop it. And chances are 99.9999999999% of people using this strategy were even intelligent enough to figure it out for themselves, instead they read about it somewhere online.

So yes as soon as I see someone doing this I immediately exit the game....actually now I pretty much exit immediately upon seeing that someone has chosen the Aztecs as I realize they have read about and are using this strategy.

Sorry for whining but with the advantage of 3 cities before the first 10 turns of the game, even if the player is is barely even decent at the games stategy, there is virtually zero way to come behind from that.

I would call this strategy if everyone didn't know this little "trick", but at best it is only declaring you can't win using your own smarts, civ building and strategy.

Don't quit MP man.....
get better.....Nothing better than beating those power civs and rushers.....

[mklgry]

they must be playing against severely crappy opponents to do that then and you as well.

This is not a cheat. it is not a trick. The Aztecs start with 25 and can rush a warrior right away. everyone can move their settler. It is their advantage that the developers gave them.

Most likely you aren't using the proper start with your civ (2 workers on 2 forests to get 2 warriors in 5 turns - general, there are some different choices for other civs) and that's why the aztec player is owning their competition.

If they move their settler, then there's a chance that they also can get more cash from goodie huts.

If you think that not having to defend and being allowed to do whatever you like is the way the game is supposed to be played then go back to SP and have fun there or find like minded people and play in private matches. Don't complain about MP matches if you can't play properly.

Hmmm, I am not sure what part of my post is confusing. I do know how to play this game. I consistently beat the the computer on deity level. This is why I began playing MP as there is no challenge playing AI anymore.

I also understand that the Aztecs starting with gold is not a cheat per se, but it is a huge advantage and allow them to take over a city before anyone even has a chance to build a defensive warrior. Perhaps there is a way, as I will not claiming to be the best Civ player of all time or anything, but I have yet to find a way for anyone other than them to build a warrior in any less than 5 turns. So they immediately have 5 turns to find and defeat a city. Unfortunately because many people aren't wise enough to figure out what the Aztec players are doing they send their first warrior out to scout rather than fortify it to protect their city. So they typically have 10+ turns to use this strategy, but no less than 5 to take complete advantage of it. While I can not blame the Aztec players for taking advantage of this, it makes them far too easy of Civ to play with and enjoy any real challenge to the game. I have had games where all but me were completely wiped out with in the first 10 turns of the game. I will freely admit you are a MUCH better player than me if you can come back with one city and two warriors against a civ with at least 4 cities....virtually impossible if the play with the 3 plus cities isn't a complete moron.

Sounds as if you are offended by my post. I am assuming it is because this is the only way you can play the game. I am sorry that the best you can do within the game is play one way based upon some strategy you read somewhere online. Sorry that you are unable to develop a strategy for winning this game on your own through building your civilization and must take advantage of something no amount of planning or strategy can overcome on the side of the other players.

Obviously it is built into the game to give someone the capability to do this. But why is it the ONLY strategy most people can use to win. It is boring just like playing the AI that is too stupid to think for itself and and just repeats the same thing over and over and over again. God gave you a brain, try using it.

Also I am not sure why you say the Aztecs are mediocre. Are you kidding? perhaps you are not sure how to properly use them...beyond the initial rushing of your warriors. With the auto-heal alone they rock....home defense in particular is a snap, which gives you time to focus on other than things rather than spending turns/production on defensive units. Huge advantage especially in the crucial first 1/4 of the game.

[cubalibre]

I don't know if I shall take your postings seroius. This sounds more like a joke to me, honestly!

P.S. Imagine there would be a Civ that starts with 3 warriors from the beginning on - how does that sound to you?

[matsgutt]

Most people have a standard two warrior in five turns start. The biggest Aztec Advantage that I have seen is the early horse rush. Stop that rush and you are in a good position. Now sometimes they will wonder and get lucky, but if they do that all the time they will lose more than they win.

[matsgutt]

Their is....... America with a great builder can start with three warriors on turn one.......A three warrior start that is....

[HydroDragon]

Hmmm, I am not sure what part of my post is confusing. I do know how to play this game. I consistently beat the the computer on deity level. This is why I began playing MP as there is no challenge playing AI anymore.

If you don't know how to build a warrior in less than 5 turns then you do not know how to play the game to a good standard. Set your workers to all trees and you get a warrior in 3 turns, it's the optimal start.

I also understand that the Aztecs starting with gold is not a cheat per se, but it is a huge advantage and allow them to take over a city before anyone even has a chance to build a defensive warrior. Perhaps there is a way, as I will not claiming to be the best Civ player of all time or anything, but I have yet to find a way for anyone other than them to build a warrior in any less than 5 turns. So they immediately have 5 turns to find and defeat a city. Unfortunately because many people aren't wise enough to figure out what the Aztec players are doing they send their first warrior out to scout rather than fortify it to protect their city. So they typically have 10+ turns to use this strategy, but no less than 5 to take complete advantage of it. While I can not blame the Aztec players for taking advantage of this, it makes them far too easy of Civ to play with and enjoy any real challenge to the game. I have had games where all but me were completely wiped out with in the first 10 turns of the game. I will freely admit you are a MUCH better player than me if you can come back with one city and two warriors against a civ with at least 4 cities....virtually impossible if the play with the 3 plus cities isn't a complete moron.

As everyone knows, you're guaranteed be able to get a warrior out in 3 turns. Less if you're china or america. Scouting is what you should do first because you can then see if they're coming and assign your units accordingly. Of course, after a few turns you should always keep an unit in your capital to negate galley-drops.

An aztec warrior in itself is no threat, it's a mere 1 attack. Any unit can defend that. The real threat comes when they attack with warrior armies or horseman armies, but then again those can be countered with just warriors if you play strategically. A single fortified archer is often enough to defend a rush.

Sounds as if you are offended by my post. I am assuming it is because this is the only way you can play the game. I am sorry that the best you can do within the game is play one way based upon some strategy you read somewhere online. Sorry that you are unable to develop a strategy for winning this game on your own through building your civilization and must take advantage of something no amount of planning or strategy can overcome on the side of the other players.

Obviously it is built into the game to give someone the capability to do this. But why is it the ONLY strategy most people can use to win. It is boring just like playing the AI that is too stupid to think for itself and and just repeats the same thing over and over and over again. God gave you a brain, try using it.

You're the one who's failing to defend because you still haven't worked out how to optimize building a simple warrior, don't presume that you have the moral high ground here. You don't deserve a long game if you can't defend yourself, that's the simple truth.

Also I am not sure why you say the Aztecs are mediocre. Are you kidding? perhaps you are not sure how to properly use them...beyond the initial rushing of your warriors. With the auto-heal alone they rock....home defense in particular is a snap, which gives you time to focus on other than things rather than spending turns/production on defensive units. Huge advantage especially in the crucial first 1/4 of the game.

The aztecs are strong in the early game but then they have no decent bonuses after that. This is why they're a mid-tier civ. If they fail to take cities early on then they often get beaten by strong mid-game civs like the spanish or indians.

[mklgry]

If you don't know how to build a warrior in less than 5 turns then you do not know how to play the game to a good standard. Set your workers to all trees and you get a warrior in 3 turns, it's the optimal start.



As everyone knows, you're guaranteed be able to get a warrior out in 3 turns. Less if you're china or america. Scouting is what you should do first because you can then see if they're coming and assign your units accordingly. Of course, after a few turns you should always keep an unit in your capital to negate galley-drops.

An aztec warrior in itself is no threat, it's a mere 1 attack. Any unit can defend that. The real threat comes when they attack with warrior armies or horseman armies, but then again those can be countered with just warriors if you play strategically. A single fortified archer is often enough to defend a rush.



You're the one who's failing to defend because you still haven't worked out how to optimize building a simple warrior, don't presume that you have the moral high ground here. You don't deserve a long game if you can't defend yourself, that's the simple truth.



The aztecs are strong in the early game but then they have no decent bonuses after that. This is why they're a mid-tier civ. If they fail to take cities early on then they often get beaten by strong mid-game civs like the spanish or indians.

Another person seemingly too stupid to use any other strategy. If you are ahead the first 1/4 of the game and lose, you are an idiot no matter which civ you are.

I stated point blank in my post that I have played games where I am the only civ not wiped out. I know how to defend myself. Yes it is extremely annoying that most do not. I am well aware of how to manage my cities "production". I should've stated that point blank, rather than think people here would have the intelligence to decipher that within my post. I guess that I didn't state it well enough tto reinforcing that I was saying most others playing MP do not know how to combat this Aztec "trick" which leaves them wide open and easy prey for Aztecs in particular. Notice please that I said I was the only one not wiped out...again my fault for assuming you had a level of reasoning that allowed you to understand what I meant here...BUT since most people do not realize that they are able to change their cities production focus the Aztecs get a minimum of 5 turns to take advantage of them.....and the computer player in particular is always wiped out. When I say there is nothing that can be done to combat this, it is not as if I am able to alert and coach the other players to what the Aztecs are doing. Therefore it is a HUGE unstoppable advantage. So no I will not play the game with such a huge handicap against me. Furthermore since in my opinion is it nothing but a brain dead way to win I will not play MP as the Aztecs.

Do you not understand that I can plainly see what they are doing and I could just duplicate it if I wanted, but to me there is zero fun and/or challenge in it. So I avoid it period, that means even when I see others doing it. I will play MP and any time I see it happen I will quit IMMEDIATELY and now will do so with the pleasure of knowing full well that at the very least I have annoyed many of you.

Learn to play and win with any civ. When I know my competitors (playing against friends) I allow them to choose my civ for me. Many of the "bonuses" aren't so significant that statgey needs to be changed up that much. The only thing that changes my strategy within the game is seeing what other civs are doing and responding to it if need be..ie blocking a culture victory somehow when I see someone is building "Wonders", or going to war ealier than I would like if someone is about to get an economic vicotry and I have no hope of catching them any other way, etc. There is no need to vary the strategy TOO MUCH (yes perhaps some) based upon the civ you are using.

[MadDjinn]

lol, what a tool.

You've got no moral ground if you can't even understand the game. And it's even funnier that you insult people who have written the majority of the strategies for this game on this forum.

Beating the AI on diety is simple once you know how. *BUT* that doesn't mean you can beat any other human player. That just means you can beat the AI... not the same.

Again, you claim to know how to set your production, but at the same time claim a 5 turn window before you get one. Obviously you don't know what you're doing, let's explain:

settle your city. go into the city menu, then manage workers, and use 'custom' worker setting (click the left stick to get there right away).
For most civs:
Set both workers on trees. this gives you 4 production per turn. This will give you a warrior at the 3rd turn and a warrior at the 5th turn. If you really need to, you can keep going and get warriors at the 8th and 10th turn respectively.

If you're china, then set all 3 workers to forests (if you have 3) or 2 on forests and one in the city to get warriors every 2 turns.

If you're Egypt with the Hanging gardens, do the same as china. If you've got the Col. then set both workers on deserts (if you have 2, or 1 and a water tile) to get gold. This works better as you'll still get the warriors at the same time as a forest start, but you also get the food coming in from the deserts.

If you're americans, with a GB, set production to a galley, leave the city menu, use the GB on the galley, go back into the city and switch production to warriors. you'll get 3 right away. Don't bother with more.

etc etc

Each civ has it's own starting flavour (some minor variations). The civ you should be complaining about is the zulu, since they can have warrior armies at your cap within 8 turns. That's more of a pain than a lone aztec warrior.

Besides, all civs are generally 8 tiles or more away from each other (some maps are closer, but not many). If the Aztec player rushed a warrior and sent it off, they have 8 or so turns to find you. in 8 turns you can have a warrior army done. ; if they walk in the right direction!

Yes the AI is horrible in MP (it's set to King level). We all know that. Anyone can take advantage of it.

Aztec starts are rough if they settler rush, but frankly a single warrior is no issue if you sent out your own warrior to go see what's out there.

Learn to play the game properly and maybe you'll realize how easy it is to beat an aztec player if you make it out of medieval (or truely just run them down early if possible). Yes early game rushes matter since what the map looks like in ancient is very important for the rest of the game. But that's not what matters in the end game. someone who takes 2-3 caps and then doesn't do much will still lose to someone who knows how to expand and tech.

As per your insults, you're a bit too pathetic of a player to do that and have anyone believe you. The majority of the players in this forum can play with any civ and win. I play random more often than not, and even though I am not an aggressive player (early rushes all the time) I still win the vast majority of my games.

Your best bet is to go back and stay out of MP until you figure out the game, since you're not even complaining about the real issues in MP.

The Aztec 25g start (combined with auto-heal) is what makes them a mid-tier civ. past that point (or past the horse rush phase) they get worse and worse era boni which gives everyone else a better chance to win later.

Which console are you on? For my own amusement I'll play you to see how truely bad you are and I won't even rush the AI or you before medieval. You can even pick the civs and the win type. on XBOX I'm SBF MadDjinn on PS3 I'm MadDjinn. Add me if you dare.

[Chrono]

MadDjinn pretty much covered all the bases in that reply. Nothing left to say.

[HydroDragon]

Learn to play and win with any civ. When I know my competitors (playing against friends) I allow them to choose my civ for me. Many of the "bonuses" aren't so significant that statgey needs to be changed up that much. The only thing that changes my strategy within the game is seeing what other civs are doing and responding to it if need be..ie blocking a culture victory somehow when I see someone is building "Wonders", or going to war ealier than I would like if someone is about to get an economic vicotry and I have no hope of catching them any other way, etc. There is no need to vary the strategy TOO MUCH (yes perhaps some) based upon the civ you are using.

Well, this just shows your ignorance of basic game mechanics. "Many of the "bonuses" aren't so significant that statgey needs to be changed up that much."?!? That statement's simply laughable.

The fact that you think all civs are on equal footing, the fact that you're even mentioning a cultural victory, these things just show your inexperience.

Why do you assume that we use Aztecs all the time? Not that it's relevant, but I for one never use the power civs (America, China, Zulu) and rarely use the semi-power civs (Aztecs, Arabs). I haven't used Aztecs in multiplayer in months. They're quite easy to play as (but not because of the reasons you're complaining about) and they don't have much depth, so I prefer civs with more variety in their strategies.

You need to swallow your pride and listen to what people are telling you. Maybe you should take up MadDjinn's offer just to open your eyes, rather than as a 'grudge match' type of thing.

We are a friendly bunch of people really, and it's always nice to have a new member, especially one who actually uses real english. Just stop churning out these misinformed arguments and listen to some common sense and I'm sure you'll have a higher understanding of the game in no time.

[Maniac76]

I would call this strategy if everyone didn't know this little "trick", but at best it is only declaring you can't win using your own smarts, civ building and strategy.

Are you sure you have beat Deity?? Really? Tell the truth.

This is defo a spoof post. You can not come on to these forums and start to tell everyone that they are cheats and rubbish. Sounds familiar.

Aztecs are good, but not great. Play as China and you have a warrior in 2 turns, not 5. Are you sure you know how to play. Its the Aztec horse rush you have to watch. But whats stopping you doing the same?

Your lack of ability I would imagine.

Once you get over the initial rush phase you can do your strat thing.

If you want to teach me how to play add me Maniak76. I wont rush....promise.

[HydroDragon]

Are you sure you have beat Deity?? Really? Tell the truth.

That's a good point actually. If you read through his post, it looks like his opponents constantly go for culture victories and he doesn't actually declare war unless he thinks someone's about to get a non-dom victory.

If that's not indicative of a noob I don't know what is.

(By the way if you're on PS3, leave your username so we can invite you to the chatroom and teach you how to play.)

[Chrono]

I guess the main complaint is that Aztecs can take out other players who don't know what they are doing giving them 1-2 easy cities from the start.

I assure you that any good player, and not just with Aztecs, is capable of taking out other players very early if they are vulnerable. This is just part of the game you have to learn to deal with.

Very good players will be able to take someone out in the long run, regardless if their opponent got a couple of early free caps.

[GeddyGod]

You guys are horrible!!! I agree with the OP!!! How dare a person use a civ and use their individual boni to their advantage! Most people (myself included) think that the top 3 power civs are especially unbalanced and over-powered, but let's not stop there! Much like the OP I quit when I see the Aztecs cuz of the first turn warrior, but I also quit when I see the Arabs cuz they get fundy, the French because of their great culture and even the Mongols because I can't tell what color they are! I mean is it orange or brown or tan, what? That scares the hell out of me.

So....get off the OPs case! He makes valid points and we should all agree that when we play the game that we should consider that some people just aren't any good and we should walk our original settlers to their caps and wait the 10-15 turns for them to make a warrior and capture it.

[maxson]

and even the Mongols because I can't tell what color they are! I mean is it orange or brown or tan, what? That scares the hell out of me.

I know, right? It's black magick or something.

[Salmeen10]

The poor guy.

[MadDjinn]

I guess he didn't want to play

[GeddyGod]

I guess he didn't want to play

Of course not! Like the quote goes....
"Tis better to run your mouth online and have people think youre stupid and suck at CivRev than it is to man up, play and prove them right"... or something LOL

[Hellogoodbye123]

my greatest fear is culure, to be honest.. so i agree wth you Geddy, i feel my culture even at its highest could be flipped!!

and i agree with mongols color too, seems almost invicible, like nothings there

[asmodeios]

"I quit the game when I see I'm playing against the aztecs"

Wow what a D.A.

You quit because they have a warrior on the first turn? Which could possibly net an enemy cap within 10 turns. Oh no. You can never beat that 1 attack warrior.

Seriously. Who is this person? Which one of you created a second account just to post stuff like that? Surely no one can be that ignorant at this game!

[bra_stay]

Hi!!!
im in the same situation that cuba. First, apologize for my english, im a brazilian and my english isnt the best!!!hehehehe
Well.... im starting in Mp mode and im having a problem to join games... Always appears a message "join error". And i dont understand why sometimes when a started a game i join a game that is not mine and isnt the begining. Help!!!!!!
Thaks!!!!!

hi all,
first of a all i want to say hello to everybody in the forum! I really enjoy reading the strategy forum and want to thank everybody for all the helpful advice.

I am a big fan of civrev, its almost the only game i play on my ps3. Since i got bored of the ai, i switched to mp a few weeks ago. But i can never play a multiplayer game to the end because it happens always to me that the other players quit early. On the other side i read in the forum about your great games. So my question is in which game-style do the forum players meet? Do you play only ranked games or scenarios? Is there a good time in the day/ week to look around in the lobby for a great game? My nick is cuba49, so if anybody is interested, i say lets play! I usually do not play the power civs, i like to play arabs or atztecs and i am becoming interested in the spanish. Looking forward to a great match!

[avennis]

You have yet to find a way how anyone can get a warrior in less than 5 turns? Not to be insulting, but you must be a serious beginner if you don't understand city worker management yet. If you build a city where the game starts you, you will have two forests. Put both of your workers on them and you'll have your first warrior in 3 turns, your second in 2 more. If you're China, and you move to a spot with 3 forests, you'll have your first warrior in 2, another in 2 more, and another the fifth round. With America you can demobilize your great person (not usually a good idea) and get a warrior right away that way.

That aside, I agree the Aztec horsemen rush takes little skill. Because it is so easy, and so effective, it is the go-to strategy for a lot of regular civ players. I can tell you that I play Aztec horse rushers regularly, and the only way they ever beat me is if they're horse army gets lucky against my archer army. All you have to do is build a lot of cities, preferably island cities by putting a settler on a galley and spamming a collection of islands. You'll have so much trade you'll beat them to Monarchy, Feudalism, Invention, and Steam Power, and if you've done it right, they won't have rifleman armies yet, and won't be able to stop you. I think you're giving up too early....put your workers on production in the beginning to get some units out there, and build more cities!!

[TyShine]

That aside, I agree the Aztec horsemen rush takes little skill. Because it is so easy, and so effective, it is the go-to strategy for a lot of regular civ players. I can tell you that I play Aztec horse rushers regularly, and the only way they ever beat me is if they're horse army gets lucky against my archer army.

I have had vet horse armies attacking cities in less than 10 turns. Getting a really fast archer army is usually a mistake anyway. It can work out for civs like Spain(galleons), China(cheap), America (not ideal), and maybe Japan. England can choke off land on the right map, while Rome will need legions to get rid of the HA to expand. It also works fine if they dont know what else to do, but you can do lots of things against players like that. Islands typically have little production, and transporting settlers on galleys takes time. Learn to control the mainland instead of cowering to islands.

All you have to do is build a lot of cities, preferably island cities by putting a settler on a galley and spamming a collection of islands.

What if he builds a lot of cities too? If you use a cheap civ like China then ok fine, but expanding to the islands is slower than the mainland. Island cities are overrated.

You'll have so much trade you'll beat them to Monarchy, Feudalism, Invention, and Steam Power, and if you've done it right, they won't have rifleman armies yet, and won't be able to stop you.

If they consider getting gunpowder they have probably dont know what they are doing. If I research Feudalism I probably wont research invention, and I usually dont research steam power.

I think you're giving up too early....put your workers on production in the beginning to get some units out there, and build more cities!!

Yes build more cities, but how. If hes using balanced he will have no idea how to.

[plopper]

... I quit when I see the Aztecs cuz of the first turn warrior, but I also quit when I see the Arabs cuz they get fundy, the French because of their great culture and even the Mongols because I can't tell what color they are! I mean is it orange or brown or tan, what? That scares the hell out of me.

Is there a thread for the most funny post ever on this forum? If so, I'd like to nominate this one.