What happens when both rush?

[FF-GTR]

I had a game today, China v Egypt, I went oxford bombers. Wound up winning, although it took me a long time, as he was able to get flight before I was able to take his cap and he pressed me back with tanks for a little while. He eventually quit after losing a slight uneven loss (18 bomber vs 25ish rifleman army or something like that) around 1700AD.

Anyway I got a message during the game to the effect of "bug, I rushed oxford before you." I think he was probably just whiny - I know I was first to industrial so I doubt he was going for oxford bombers, he probably would have just gotten regular flight or lower unless he finished industrial right after me. I seriously doubt that since he didn't look like he had enough science to skip steam power. I'm wondering if he rushed it right at the start of the turn, but I had already rushed it the turn before (as it makes wait one turn if you rush a wonder with money as opposed to GB).

Anyway, how does it determine who gets a wonder if both players rush it? Is it just whoever rushes first (in which case I don't know how he could "know" he rushed it first)? Or whoever has more hammers or something?

In single player, if the AI builds a wonder right as you rush it, you are just left with a crapton of hammers the next turn and no wonder. Is that what happens in MP as well?

I was pretty much going to oxford bombers from the start of the game so I'm not convinced by his message.

He probably could have won early if he had pressed. He killed one of my horse armies around 2500BC, and the other was all the way on the other side of the map. Instead of pressing with that elite HA of his though he just planted it in a captured capital and started building archer armies.

It can be really tough to take an egyptian capital that's inland (no naval support). Dug in rifleman with a few upgrades or whatever challenge even fundy samurai bomber wings.

[elthrasher]

Any ties go to the host, or whoever joined the game first. It sucks, but that's how it goes. He may have rushed Oxford the same turn you did. If you joined up in the lobby before him, then you'd get the wonder.

The same is true of techs. Two players tech Irrigation the same turn? Whoever joined up first gets the bonus.

A GB is faster than gold rushing a wonder though. If you GB it, you get it immediately. If you gold rush it, you get it at the start of your next turn. So if he gold rushed it the turn you GB'd it, then that could also explain things.

[FF-GTR]

Any ties go to the host, or whoever joined the game first. It sucks, but that's how it goes. He may have rushed Oxford the same turn you did. If you joined up in the lobby before him, then you'd get the wonder.

The same is true of techs. Two players tech Irrigation the same turn? Whoever joined up first gets the bonus.

A GB is faster than gold rushing a wonder though. If you GB it, you get it immediately. If you gold rush it, you get it at the start of your next turn. So if he gold rushed it the turn you GB'd it, then that could also explain things.

Ahh that explains it. I guess he really did rush it the same turn as me. Who knows who pressed the button first though.

Is the first person in the lobby the host? If they leave the lobby before the game starts, does the 2nd person just become the host? Likewise if they leave in game?

Oh well. I was first to banking and industrialization so I don't think he would have gotten adv flight. Perhaps he was just a turn or two behind me techwise and would have. Who knows. Just rubbed me the wrong way to get a message that says "bug" when he has no way of knowing who pressed the button first anyway.

Thanks for clearing it up.

[FF-GTR]

Also, what happened to his rush cost? Does he just get excess hammers? Or are the hammers just lost.

If the latter, I could see how it would be really, really frustrating.

[Aheadatime]

Also, what happened to his rush cost? Does he just get excess hammers? Or are the hammers just lost.

If the latter, I could see how it would be really, really frustrating.

Hammers are banked.

Pertaining to your host question, it doesnt matter who 'hit the rush button first'. What matters is who entered the lobby first, hes host. If host leaves before the game is started, youre now host, etc.

[FF-GTR]

Hammers are banked.

Pertaining to your host question, it doesnt matter who 'hit the rush button first'. What matters is who entered the lobby first, hes host. If host leaves before the game is started, youre now host, etc.

Gotcha. What I meant was, his message basically said it was a bug because he rushed first. But that's annoying because obviously we both rushed the same turn, and he has know way of knowing who did it "first". One of those "I lost, so it must be a bug" reactions. Doubt he complains when he's host!

Thanks for the confirmation of banking hammers!

[Pedal2Metal]

I've been in a room first & been the off-color when we were both the same civ. I don't know what that means exactly but my experience is the "on-color" always wins ties so that would imply the "on-color" is the host. So my experience is that while the first player is usually the host, it's not always the case. This has happened on more than one occasion.

best regards,
Pedal2Metal

[elthrasher]

I've been in a room first & been the off-color when we were both the same civ. I don't know what that means exactly but my experience is the "on-color" always wins ties so that would imply the "on-color" is the host. So my experience is that while the first player is usually the host, it's not always the case. This has happened on more than one occasion.

best regards,
Pedal2Metal

Any chance you joined a game where somebody was already waiting, then that guy left and someone new came in to play with you? I believe you keep your same position so if you were player 2, you'll remain player 2 even if player 1 leaves. I specifically have observed this in teams.

I'm pretty good at paying attention to this kind of stuff and I've never had the off-color civ when I was first in a lobby.

[SVPM]

I'm pretty good at paying attention to this kind of stuff

That's why all the ladies are after you. I second.

[Aheadatime]

That's why all the ladies are after you. I second.

lmao that was great

[Pedal2Metal]

Any chance you joined a game where somebody was already waiting, then that guy left and someone new came in to play with you? I believe you keep your same position so if you were player 2, you'll remain player 2 even if player 1 leaves. I specifically have observed this in teams.

I'm pretty good at paying attention to this kind of stuff and I've never had the off-color civ when I was first in a lobby.

I don't think so but I definitely can't make the same claim to fame w/the ladies so you never know...

best regards,
Pedal2Metal

[elthrasher]

I don't think so but I definitely can't make the same claim to fame w/the ladies so you never know...

Well, now you know all my secrets.

[Jackoneill]

Any ties go to the host, or whoever joined the game first. It sucks, but that's how it goes. He may have rushed Oxford the same turn you did. If you joined up in the lobby before him, then you'd get the wonder.

The same is true of techs. Two players tech Irrigation the same turn? Whoever joined up first gets the bonus.

A GB is faster than gold rushing a wonder though. If you GB it, you get it immediately. If you gold rush it, you get it at the start of your next turn. So if he gold rushed it the turn you GB'd it, then that could also explain things.

Wow, i didn't know that.I have been in some games like that, were all the bonuses were going to my OP, that explains alot.

Note to self, try to be the host.

[elthrasher]

Note to self, try to be the host.

Of course if everybody made this a priority, then nobody would ever get to play at all.