I want the collectors ed but I refuse to buy it from Game Spot and EB(boycotting both) are there any other places selling it?
I want the collectors ed but I refuse to buy it from Game Spot and EB(boycotting both) are there any other places selling it?
Last edited by ZippyDSMlee; 05-28-2007 at 02:08 PM.
first of all why r u boycotting them and maybe ebay or other online websites
they no longer sale or trade in used PC games for one their polices over the years have protected them selfs more and more while letting the consumer deal with 50$ "bad" games for another.Originally Posted by BigDaddy93
sure I can get it from ebay and such but I was hoping there was a first tear outlet I could buy it from,once it hits the 2nd and higher tears the money dose not go to IG/T2 its more like buying a used game, I'd like my money to go as directly as it can to T2/IG even so I refuse to have anythign to do with GS and EB bad polices ,bad staff ,bad exp's.
If EB/GS really wanted to stop piracy they would have pulled Xbox and 360 games because they are even more easier to copy and play then normal CP'd PC games, since they are only protecting shelf space to move unwanted new games I simply refuse to have anythign to do with them..
Last edited by ZippyDSMlee; 05-28-2007 at 02:43 PM.
ive preordered a fair number of games (t:v, bf2, q4, hl2 to name a few) through the evil GS over the years and have never had a problem ... did you ever get a bad disc/mashed up package/wrong order or anything? a little concerned as im preordering through them yet again. thanks.
No I mostly bought threw the store a few bad experances over the years plus dumping used PC games over the last 1 or 2 I give I have hit my limit on corporate BS.
I refuse to buy stuff from EBgames but I always buy stuff from Gamestop just because at the EBgames near my house the Employees are rude, but the people at Gamestop are better Employees.
Did you know they merged?
Zippy --
The Limited Edition is only going to be sold at Gamestop and EB in the US -- we're still working on other territories around the world. If you dislike the stores, I might recommend you get it online and have them ship it to you.
Zippy IQ minus 9000
LOL
I just realized the CE/LE "pre order" is GS/EB only but after pre order period best buy and the like should get a few of the CE/LE right?
I'd rather buy it new from a first or 2nd tear retailer ,I know it sounds foolish but its abotu the only way a consumer can make sure the moeny is going to worthy hands and not helping the industry become worser than it already is.
*clears out more wax and IQ with it*
today is my day for misunderstanding...I just would like to clarify it the CE/LE is only pre order and only from EB/GS at least in the states and Canada?
Last edited by ZippyDSMlee; 05-28-2007 at 06:24 PM.
I know they merged but I didn't like EBGames before the Merger but I liked Gamestop before the Merger so I just go to Gamestop.
meh they are the same company now a days so both get boycotted *L*
I don't want a penny going to EB ....
60$ + 10 for s/h aint a bad price for what you get...kinda wish there where other avenues to give moeny to devs...
the dev publisher relationship is kinda a necessary evil. digital distribution (valve's STEAM would be a good example) is cool and all, but im a sucker for the hard copy. i like the box art, inlays and extra goodies especially those associated with collectors' editions.
Steam is a bloated POS....Steam is just plain bad from the need to be online to install from the need to be online to play...I simply would rather opt out of letting big brother know my every move on their game Steam I can live without and when I find a fully "fixed" hack for it to remove steam from it only then will I buy it and even after all that HL2 is barely above mediocre.
Direct 2 Drive offers the best balance No copy protections no DRM just a key and the game might have a passive key server check for online play but beyond that no fuss no muss.
However I have found I simply wont pay 40+ for a mediocre or less game,I'll pay 50 for a great game but to much cashing in going on to make me want to spend moeny on it so I buy used at 20$ when EB/GS baned sued PC games it made me fear for the future what are they going to do to protect their bottom line the media mafiaa tried to ban the sale of used CD/tapes 10 or 15 years ago I don't like where things are headed over the top protections combined with high prices and the slow death of fun in video games.
I have seen the industry for what it is a money grubby leech like hollywood and the music labels and in that I boycott it hard and only spend real money on titles that might be worth it.
it sucks the game is worthy but the retailer negates its worthiness....maybe I should just buy 2 normal boxes and then tag a CE off ebay and sell the normal ones as used...blahhgggg...mmmmmm it sucks to have morals :P
No... The Limited Edition will be sold only at Gamestop and EB. If there are any copies left after all the preorders, they will only be available at Gamestop and EB.
This is due to the fact that we added the package only a few months before BioShock ships. We are able to produce so few of the Limited Edition in the months before the game ships, it wasn't feasible to get it in more stores.
ahhh is that just in america or is that worldwide?
if its worldwide i shall have to change my order soonish
I use steam and have no trouble with using it. It also allows you to play in offline mode as well if you don't want "big brother" to see you playing your games. And yes, there is an anonymous reporting feature, but this is used to tweak and fine tune if there is a perceived problem. It's also useful in that I can keep my games up to date. The only thing I need to do is bring up steam. Steam is more or less a content delivery avenue, and as such it appears successful. I'm not sure what problem you have with steam in particular, but I don't necessarily disagree with your overall view of how corps tend to be. I also understand why they do it, although on the overkill side. If people weren't pirating software, etc. I don't think the corps would be as cut throat as they are, but they are going to protect the bottom line as they see fit. If you ran a business and you found people stealing product from you, won't you try and defend yourself (and your bottom line) by going after them? You wouldn't stand for somebody stealing from Zippy Corp would you.
2K Elizabeth
Thank you for making that clear.
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MF9000
Oh? then why wont steam let me play HL2 after the update without being online?
Why dose it force you to be online while you have steam games why dose it force updates?
Ever try HL2 on dailup? the mandatory updates are murder,steam dose not really have a "off" switch nor dose it have a opt out statical gathering its just to much BS to deal with even the retail boxs have steam in them now its great value showed the man up but now they are the man and forcing 10$ more on HL2 eps you may already have.
If I ran a business I would sale the product at just above cost why? VOLUME!
a 50$ game is not going to sale like a 30$ one and when you have practicably free means of distribution you can push more product digi distro is still in tis infancy and looking at the MP3 side of things a site like AlLofmp3 can make more money than itunes because they are selling at "cost" not the 5X BS the media mafiaa charges.
(allofmp3 is legal under Russia law they are paying raolites to the media mafia but they want a larger cut thus the ccard industry bowed to the power of the mafiaa)
When the media mafiaa figures out they can make a profit at selling stuff at a reasonable price I will buy music again.
My point being one can make a profit without "double" charging,games are a bit different than normal media persay however lower price for digital sales still rings true for it.
I dislike Steam on many grounds however they have become what they hated(large brain dead pub) ,D2D is solid but even I will admit the prices need adjusting but even I know they do not set said prices, Sprocket is a cute lil service for marketing games made by some chez devs and other in that area the prices wind up abotu 40$ for new games down to $12 I think I wanted to get my hands on Alpha Prime a neat lil FPS for the PC however it requires it to be installed online so it can verify the key, using non passive online only DRM is not good and removes half of the price because the game will die when the key sever dose or when you are offline.
When I buy a game I own it for keeps nothing less nothing more, any pub to force OTT DRM like the comp killing starforce or Online only schemes only lead me to break them so I can enjoy the product that I purchased.
The best Protection schemes are the passive online key checks that prevent the game from running online heck even a advanced one that locks the game down till you purchase a new key is not a bad idea either ,I don't mind basic CD/DVD protections thos are more of a annoyance and almost pointless most pubs would be better off dropping most protections and knocking 20-40% off the game.
In the end Piracy or I should say "shearing" (they should not even be in the same category its like comparing peacnic hippies with street thug drug dealers) dose not do any real harm to the industry because most would focus their money to other things or the used market still diverting funds from publishers ,even so selling of copies is bad and should be dealt with by meeting MR bubbles :X
BTW 2K Elizabeth
I have a question for you and I hope its answered before the thread gets locked for being "zippyized" ,will Bioshock show up on D2D or is that not in the cards? I'd rather buy it from D2D then dig threw the used market for a CE/LE release.
i think steam is a brilliant piece of technology and a step in the right direction. im pretty sure steam has been discussed earlier, since i was the steam thread maker (couple of months ago).
heres a rehash
1. you dont need to be online to play once you have downloaded the game
2. buying games off steam gets more money to the game devs compared to buying a hard copy off the shelf. remember, online-wise, steam is the middleman for getting you the game. in stores, the middlemen are the shippers, the wholesalers(sometimes), and then the store itself.
3. games on steam are generally cheaper (a notable exception being prey, which is 25AU at ebgames australia compared to the 50Us you'd pay on steam (unless you're in north america, and then it's 20US)
i got all the source games except dod S for 50US off steam. bargain.
the only downside to steam is that it requires a decent net connection for the stuff to download quick (my adsl2+ helps here)
so, zippy. you want more money going to the devs of games, and less money to the retailers? buy it off steam!
HL2 dose not work like last time I checked last sometime last year same old online only mode after update if they have corrected this then great next fix the bleeding auto updates and add options to turn off some of the questionable statistical data gathering stuff I'll be happy to pay to play on it.
Also within a 15$ price range D2D is better and offers less BS to deal with.
Also, steam now lets you tell it if you want the update. You can select for each game whether to use auto update or not, keeping in mind that if a patch comes out you'll need to manually update. It's not a bad delivery system and as mentioned you can get games for bargains, although not always. If you still use dialup then yes it is frustrating to have to wait. If you haven't checked it out in a year then you're basing your view on old info. However, if you want to do the D2D then have at it, but if you want to play HL2 and it's episodes you'll need to put away some of the "I hate corps" view and take the plunge.
As for piracy and "sharing", they aren't that disconnected. Piracy speaks for it's self, but "sharing" can be a problem. It's one thing to make your friend a mix CD/tape, but allowing distribution over the net via Torrent or other tech is stealing not matter your justification. This why corps go after folks like they do. It seems a bit futile, but they are trying to punish and recoup loses. If it's worth playing (cd, games, etc.) then it's worth paying.
Are you sure about that? Does that mean if I install my retail DVD of HL2 that I won't have to compulsorily download HL2 Deathmatch? That 100MB plus download is hell on dialup. Last time I tried installing HL2 the game would not authenticate until all updates to Steam and HL2 and HL2 Deathmatch were downloaded. I had to wait 5+ hours to play the game.
BTW MF9000, Steam is not "more or less a content delivery avenue". Steam is an invasive, inconvenient tool for Digital Rights Management. I would love Steam if it was purely a download service but it's not.
ah then steam has improved...I'll have to dig my HL2 out LOL
again with the set prices and anti consumer activities of the recording labels for one sometimes its a legitment form of protest and they try and sue people that are shearing a promo songs the band itself put on the torrents with the begrudged ok from the suits,then again the best boycott of the industry for consumers is to focus their money on the used market you can buy new things 6 months after launched on 50% discount new or used, now that I think about it ebay is apart of the "establishment" however I don't think tis so bad a place and is rather easy for laymen to use, selling can be tricky tho they get money even if something dose not sale *L* frist time I lost 15 on a 20% item was the last time I tried relist a item to quickly :X.
Laser Eyes
I am on DSL now but frankly steam was hell when it first came out and was slow to fix its anti consumer theme ..(.I cant seem to find my HL2 disc...darnit >>), mandatory anythign thats not in the box is just plain wrong and I refuse to support such actives.
Its the only thing I can do as a consumer other than whine and complain :P
You can delete local content any time you want which I have. You'll just need to re-install the program if you want to play it. As for DRM, I haven't found it to be "invasive" at all. Once your games are downloaded, authenticated, etc. then you can play offline. As I've said if it's worthing playing it's paying, and all they are trying to do is be sure they aren't getting ripped off. It seems some of you are still on dialup and it sucks, but that's not valve's fault is it? If you play MP then it would be insane to do it on dialup anyway. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I've been using steam almost since it came out and haven't had any trouble with it.
It is when the retail copies force 50+MB downloads before it can be verified.
not really. your ping may suffer a little, but generally you can get away with playing multiplayer source games, as the net_graph cvar shows you speeds and mine are from 2-4 k/s down and about 1 k/s up. (gmod is the exception, which can chew up to 15 k/s when there are 6 players doing stuff)
I manged to play Guild wars on dailup its not horrible most older games can stand runnign on dailup MP wise satilite net is lots lots worse.
I might have to buy a new copy of HL2 >> I cant find mine ,oh well least I can get it with the newer eps LOL
oh well right now I need to focus on bioshock went out on a limb and got Star craft battle chest edition for 20 >>
curse you SC2!!
Elizabeth - could you please confirm if this is the case worldwide?
I wasn't into gaming when I had dialup years ago. Even with cable I had a difficult time. The classic you're dead and you just don't know it yet. I guess it depends on the server you join and your rig (not top of the line, but decent). I usually don't have time to do MP, but I would figure DSL or cable would be far more fun. I wonder how F.E.A.R. MP would perform over dialup, or any of the newer games. I don't think dialup would cut it very well.
As of right now, we don't know the specifications of what is going to be sold where in other territories. Stay tuned!Elizabeth - could you please confirm if this is the case worldwide?
Does that mean that if we live in other territories (I live in the UK) and we want the LE, we can either preorder it from Gamestop/EB and have it shipped, or wait and pray it'll come out here?
Also, does that mean if we preorder the LE we're pretty darn sure of getting it, but if we wait until after release then we're not guaranteed?
Safest bet right now, I would say, is to pre-order it from Gamestop and EB.
I don't know how many have already been preordered, but I'm anticipating that most of them will be accounted for before the game ships. So yes, I think preordering is the way to go.
gamestop and eb games are the same thing owned by the same company, and personally i think the people at gamestop are rude but it just depends on which ones you go to causer there are thousands of eb's and gs's so it's all relative but i think gamestop tends to be more exspensive and rips you off trading used games but both of them rip you off now i hate it, i just trade my games at thrift stores and order of eb's online site.
Gamestop/EB Games reminds me of Guitar Center. Many of the clerks don't have any idea of what they're talking about or anything about the merchandise, but that doesn't stop them from trying to sell you something.
I've pre-ordered from Gamestop. If production isn't going to continue beyond release then I'm pretty sure, given the nature of the thing, that it's going to be a sell-out. For some reason it just doesn't feel like your regular special edition.
Okay— this sucks— Gamestop have emailed me at 3 O'clock, Friday afternoon, to tell me that unless I can send them either a fax or a scan of my credit card statement within the next 48 hours (to verify my account) they'll cancel my pre-order.
I don't have either a fax or a working scanner. This kind of really sucks.
Not a happy bunny right now.
meh ive just cancelled i can live without a limited edition (i just dont need the importing hassle at the moment)
Just go to the Nearest Library that is where I usually go when I have to fax stuff since I have neither a fax machine or Scanner.Okay— this sucks— Gamestop have emailed me at 3 O'clock, Friday afternoon, to tell me that unless I can send them either a fax or a scan of my credit card statement within the next 48 hours (to verify my account) they'll cancel my pre-order.
I don't have either a fax or a working scanner. This kind of really sucks.
Not a happy bunny right now.
Its the game that counts..I can live without the periferals!
i totally agree with splicer there
Great minds think alike eh Lurch!
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