i just thought how in the h**l did ryan make rapture without the gov knowing first he would need like millions of dollars in amusement park it said that they stopped the boat and started there how did the coastguard not see that(if there was one) and how did they get resources and dont say that someone ordered god knows amounts of metal without the Gov knowing that would be fishy(pun intended) and the union might need to help with building.So please answer
Rapture is in the middle of the Atlantic, the coast guard won't be a problem out there. Ryan was rich it wasn't hard for him to pay for the supplies used, to get the supplies he created "Warden Yarn" - an anagram of his name - to conduct business with the different suppliers used.
didnt even bother to go over the SITS archive i see, typicalOriginally Posted by big daddys buddy
Ennhhhhh, Ryan doesn't seem to me like the kind of guy who would willingly work with unions.
Rapture is roughly situated 400 miles off the coast of Reykjavik (iceland)!
The US government wouldn't even have jurisdiction out there!
Seriously mate go to the SITS site, its still up!!
how did they get food for 29 years start of city to end of B2
Its on a 'continental shelf', but of you look in an atlas (no pun) you can see that those can extend quite far from land.
But the general secrecy issue is a problem as bootstrapping the city still would take many hundreds of boatloads of materials (and people) .
Too many eyes and its not likely Ryan could threaten that many effectively.
didnt you see the fish harvesting facility in BS1 ??
No doubt fish and seaweed could make basic staples.
Unfortunately more complex items require diverse industry/manufacturing to make the city self sufficient -- but Rapture could be very large with many areas we havent seen (actually there has to be such places if only half the sustinance was locally produced).
SitS or no SitS, it's just not possible for one man to raise--and spend--that kind of scratch without anyone noticing. I think that like most rich men Ryan's not as self-made as he would like to think. He must've had institutional investors in the post-war economy, such as a government (or ex-government) with an interest in concealing gajillions of dollars from other governments, or an unrealistically huge military-industrial conglomerate.
But he needed lots of skilled labor. He wouldn't have had a choice.
I think the topic of food has been debated before and someone mentioned the possibility of new gene tonics supressing the body's need for nourishment, or at least a longer perior of sustainability without food.
I am one of those people who is completely ok with minor plot holes and I can't take a logical look at Rapture because I love it so much. To me it's just there, and the how and the why of how it came to be or how it exists puts a damper on the magic!
thank you for giving me correct information without having to INSULT me
and for seeing parts a saw
Don't forget these were different times. First of all, back then they didn't have the proper technology to actually stumble across the city. Now a days, it's more likely that if there was indeed a city under the ocean, they would've found it. Maybe he somehow used the goverments for their money under his different name, and when the city was ready, he disappeared. No one knew where or who he really was.
~Mari.
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I think he might have some financial help too. Rapture is huge! Not even Oprah and Bill Gate's kid could afford to build that.
It's also worth reading 20,000 League Under The Sea, I've no doubt that the book inspired more than half the setting of Bioshock, especially in regards of food and building the Nautilus itself, of which have similar construction as Rapture; by sourcing parts from several different company under several different name to avoid detection of which is extremely feasible, and like other said, it was the '40's, think about the 2nd World War where there's a lots of secret bunker/silo being build without even the local's knowledge, admittedly smaller, but the point still stand.
Originally from what I gather, they laid down the foundation of Rapture to start with, and then eventually were able to source raw material from under the sea and continued expanding Rapture without surface help once the foundation was laid.
As for financial, remember Ryan isn't the only one who invest in Rapture, after he laid the foundation, other start pouring money in Rapture and expand it, like the Atlantic Express for instance, which Ryan didn't build.
On a serious note, why are you arguing about the feasibility of building Rapture without anyone noticing, but not the feasibility of the flying gun turrent, ADAMs, firing ice from our hands, the building structure of Rapture, the extremely stronger-than-metal glass, the grafting of the Big Daddies, etc.?
it's a well made videogames that take thing a little further out of reality, but not too much for us to not think "could this actually exist?", enjoy it for what it is.
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We're talking about the wealthiest people in the world here, perhaps the top 300+ richest people in the world who were in on it...It's not that hard to figure out. lol
I also wouldn't be surprised if Rapture had actual farms and processing plants...
For the original poster, if you want to learn more, why not look into the Bioshock wiki? not the wikipedia one but the Bioshock one, they have wealth of information for you to dribble over.
Oh they do, Arcadia Merlot spring to mind.
http://www.consolemonster.com/images...hock2beach.jpg
As for the Foundation, this is a transcript from the Rapture Museum;
"Refitted for heavy construction, The Olympian returns with a new cargo: A State-of-the-Art Submersible Platform, nicknamed "The Sinker," ferries supplies and workers to the sea floor, fathoms below"
"After initial supplies had been brought to the sea floor, the platform is permanently moored in the sediment. Massive iron girders are sunk hundreds of feet into the rock and silt. Below the platform, engineers work to overcome obstacles, such as diamond-hard rock, obstinate sea life, and unexpected caverns"
After the platform is secured, work progresses at an astounding rate. Designed to be the foundation of Rapture, workers toil around the clock to create the metropolis you see today."
Last edited by edscoble; 05-04-2010 at 11:46 AM.
Well, maybe. I'm not really talking about anyone finding the city, though, I'm talking about an industrialist raising the capital to build it without being noticed. He'd have had to conceal massive amounts of materials & cash, which is just about possible if he committed massive fraud by spreading it through a lot of cutouts and declaring losses, then disappearing before his insurance company or the IRS caught on. Skilled labor is another matter, though. They'd've had to have been American, Russian, German, British, and so on, highly trained first worlders, almost all of them veterans, who belonged to labor unions or the military. Not the kind of people who can disappear to Reykjavik without anyone noticing. Like, someone would've noticed if suddenly the oil, construction, and shipping industries were short of skilled labor.
And so on. I think either A) Rapture was not a secret from world governments at all, but Ryan had some kind of accomodation with at least one of them, or B) Rapture was kept secret by one government with a vested interest in its secrecy. Either way, he's lying when he suggests that the only people who know about Rapture are the ones who live there.
Sure, by the military, not by a small group of individual industrialists.
That's a good point. We're not really arguing, though, we're just thinking about it because it's interesting. Ryan's objectivist utopia is supposed to have made all that incredible technology possible, so we can accept that they invented impossible things. But we're talking about what he accomplished before all that. I think we all do enjoy it for what it is, though.On a serious note, why are you arguing about the feasibility of building Rapture without anyone noticing, but not the feasibility of the flying gun turrent, ADAMs, firing ice from our hands, the building structure of Rapture, the extremely stronger-than-metal glass, the grafting of the Big Daddies, etc.?
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