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    Andrew Ryan Different

    Why is Andrew Ryan different in his Voice Diaries. If you look at the picture that comes up when his recording comes on you will see that the picture is different from the one from the first Bioshock. I know that this is something very small but still why not just make the same? Andrew Ryan is dead and can no longer make voice diaries yet he looks different. Or is he still alive like I have thought for the whole time?

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    It's just a design choice in my opinion, instead of recycling assets from the first game they decided to change his look, nothing more.

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    But I ask why? If you want to change something like that do it at the end of the first game to ease your way into the 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BioShocker36 View Post
    But I ask why? If you want to change something like that do it at the end of the first game to ease your way into the 2nd.
    You'd have to ask 2k that, why did they this time give Tenenbaum a specific and proper model? Also, it could be due to the fact that at this point of time Ryan was depressed to say, in regards to the Lamb & Fontaine situation.

    In BioShock 1 he seemed more focused, as to why his audio diary picture portrayed him as a fine businessman.

    In BioShock 2 he seems more like a broken man, while these audio diaries may have been made at the same time it does represent his feelings, I agree with what you say about the transition anyway.

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    plus most of his audio dairies are from before bioshock's so this is when he was younger and had more problems on his hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nazo shaime View Post
    plus most of his audio dairies are from before bioshock's so this is when he was younger and had more problems on his hands.
    not all of them are from before Bioshock...he does mention ''Atlas'' in a couple or so diaries

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    I think it is because he's represented from an entirely different perspective in BS2. He's not the crazy power hungry maniac he was in BS1, he's more sort of calm and, dare I say it, human with human weaknesses.

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    But all recordings were recorded all at the same time or with-in a 5 year period. Why all of a sudden we now see these new diaries of his with him being calm. Again it doesnt add up

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    Quote Originally Posted by BioShocker36 View Post
    But all recordings were recorded all at the same time or with-in a 5 year period. Why all of a sudden we now see these new diaries of his with him being calm. Again it doesnt add up
    These diaries are all personal, all attacking his "self image" rather than him talking about his dream. They do add up, simply because Andrew Ryan is no longer a static, one dimensional character. They gave him an added depth that the diaries int he first game didn't talk about (feeling vulnerable after getting rid of Fontaine and Lamb, the idea of dying (especially in that one about having a child)). He's been made into a more "grown up" character.

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    True but in any way could this be a lead up to a BS3 were ( like I have thoughbt the whole time) that Andrew Ryan is still alive! When you kill Andrew Ryan in the first BS if you go to the back of his office there is a vita chamber! He is one of only fue people that would be brought back to life in the case of death! They have all ready said there will be a BS3 and maybe even more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BioShocker36 View Post
    True but in any way could this be a lead up to a BS3 were ( like I have thoughbt the whole time) that Andrew Ryan is still alive! When you kill Andrew Ryan in the first BS if you go to the back of his office there is a vita chamber! He is one of only fue people that would be brought back to life in the case of death! They have all ready said there will be a BS3 and maybe even more!
    He turned the vita chamber off. If you walk up to it after killing him the tagline for the chamber says "Vita Chamber (Deactivated)." Its a glitch that when you get killed in the office you respawn; I thinkt he devs were just hoping to scare the pants off you with the knowledge that your guide is now going to kill you and make you book it.

    So, yeah. Ryan's return is not going to happen. I don't think it should, because if he does come back we have a case of the "unkillable" arch enemy. Like Raz Alghool in Batman, that gets old real quick.

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    Think of it like the radio. People have their "radio voices" and their every day voices. In BS1 you got more of Ryan's propaganda and pomp. He had a few very personal diaries in BS1 and he had a more melancholy and self-reflective tone, very similar to BS2. In BS2 you got a lot of very personal diaries where he is self-reflecting and you can tell he is realizing his utopia is falling. You can hear the conflict in his voice. Shimmerman did an excellent job voice-acting...yet again. I think it's appropriate. You have confirmation of this in Ryan's Amusements. His voice on the animatrons were again boisterous, progandizing and pompous.

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    Not to mention that 2K has confirmed that Andrew Ryan is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BioShocker36 View Post
    True but in any way could this be a lead up to a BS3 were ( like I have thoughbt the whole time) that Andrew Ryan is still alive! When you kill Andrew Ryan in the first BS if you go to the back of his office there is a vita chamber! He is one of only fue people that would be brought back to life in the case of death! They have all ready said there will be a BS3 and maybe even more!
    Some things are best left...dead...

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    My estimate is due to the major time differential, Andrew's portrait presented on the Audio Diaries seems to represent his youthfulness (or when he was younger) This is because he visibly has less of a balding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BioShocker36 View Post
    True but in any way could this be a lead up to a BS3 were ( like I have thoughbt the whole time) that Andrew Ryan is still alive! When you kill Andrew Ryan in the first BS if you go to the back of his office there is a vita chamber! He is one of only fue people that would be brought back to life in the case of death! They have all ready said there will be a BS3 and maybe even more!
    Dear lord, not this again xB;


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    If he was still alive, what the hell would he be doing? He cant take over Rapture as Fontaine, Jack (bad ending) and Sofia did. Also, his corpse still remains after he is killed, he doesnt disapear and respawn.

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    yes he is dead, but so was Delta.. think about it! saying he's died doesn't mean he wont get back up again. For example, he lets Jack kill him, he could quite easily use WYK to pacify Jack and then Atlas is left without hope

    but what if he knew you would turn on Atlas? maybe right now he is gathering his forces..biding his time while his rivals are killed one by one.

    Death isn't the end in Rapture

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    Can someone tell me why Ryan told you to kill him? I don't get that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehe View Post
    Can someone tell me why Ryan told you to kill him? I don't get that part.


    He'd lost an argument and wanted to get out of it with as much self-respect as possible.

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    True but in any way could this be a lead up to a BS3 were ( like I have thoughbt the whole time) that Andrew Ryan is still alive! When you kill Andrew Ryan in the first BS if you go to the back of his office there is a vita chamber! He is one of only fue people that would be brought back to life in the case of death! They have all ready said there will be a BS3 and maybe even more!
    Also when the team of wisecracking mioners comes they find andrew ryan is spliced with the deadly A.D.A.M virus until he becums a giant deeman splicer hurrr

    Bringing Ryan back would completely undermine the meaning and impact of his suicide.

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    The problem with him deactivating the vita chamber in his office is that it doesn't work that way, you simply revive in the closest working one. Even if his Vita Chamber was, infact, supposed to be disabled, what's to stop him from reappearing to another one? The only way is if he removed his DNA from the system, basically doing the reverse of what happened to Subject Delta.

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    Probably already covered, but they wanted to display him in a more sensitive and human light. Hey, one of his audio diaries even discusses what he wants to do with his "legacy" :-P

    Just want to show him more as a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroidJunkie2008 View Post
    The problem with him deactivating the vita chamber in his office is that it doesn't work that way, you simply revive in the closest working one. Even if his Vita Chamber was, infact, supposed to be disabled, what's to stop him from reappearing to another one? The only way is if he removed his DNA from the system, basically doing the reverse of what happened to Subject Delta.
    If you remember, only one vita-chamber is activated at a time. Once you approach a new one, it automatically turns on, and the other one turns off.

    Him turning his vita-chamber off, and not going near a new one, means that it REMAINS off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroidJunkie2008 View Post
    The problem with him deactivating the vita chamber in his office is that it doesn't work that way, you simply revive in the closest working one. Even if his Vita Chamber was, infact, supposed to be disabled, what's to stop him from reappearing to another one? The only way is if he removed his DNA from the system, basically doing the reverse of what happened to Subject Delta.
    You don't really know that since we were only given vague explanations on how they work, you're just assuming at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroidJunkie2008 View Post
    The problem with him deactivating the vita chamber in his office is that it doesn't work that way, you simply revive in the closest working one.
    Didn't you read the specs? VitaChambers® have a range of 67.3 yards. Engineer that he was, Ryan made sure he was out of range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehe View Post
    Can someone tell me why Ryan told you to kill him? I don't get that part.
    He was making a point. A rather gruesome and entirely fatal point. He knew he had loss and his time was at an end. If you remember he continually says 'A man chooses, a slave obeys' (Maybe not the exact quote) So upon ordering Jack to kill him he is 'choosing' to end his life and Jack 'obeys'.

    Also if you listen to the audio diaries in BS2 and the fact when you finally confront him in BS 1, despite everything, he's in his office playing golf. He seemed to me like a broken and depressed man who's dream was crumbling arounf him.

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