2K: Why is the DLC 24kb only?

[Ian]

Don't tell me I have no common sense. Yes if the file was bigger this thread would probably not even exist and everyone would be happy with the DLC.

Ignorance is bliss Had we been ignorant to the file size, all would be well in Rapture

Either way, still a low move on 2K Marin's part with the DLC... If it's already on the disc, wouldn't there be some way to unlock it with out the DLC?

Yeah, I'm just waiting on the hackers. Although, somebody said that tere is no further DLC on the disk, so I'm assuming they got at the DLC....

[Chronic Alchemy]

I've been providing concise arguments. Yeah, I am a fanboy, but that wouldn't stop me from speaking out against Bioshock 2 if I had a problem. I've been speaking out about certain bits that I disliked. I'd imagine some of you are complaining BECAUSE you're fanboys.

Well you also have to look at it from a customers point of view...
"Why would you buy something you already own?" It's like adding $5 to the total price of the game and I can see why some people are angry...

Yeah if it's on the disc, some one can just mess with it a bit til it's figured out, but that still leaves the PS3/360 people...

[Elektr0ns]

The argument regarding the file size is lost to me. In this day and age where broadband access is no longer a minority is not even an issue. I would not have had any issue what so ever had the file been off the disc and a couple megs... The presentation (which is all I can go off of as a consumer) implies it was intentional cut content being held back to charge us extra money. It sickens me to think this is becoming an industry standard.

[zerospaceA4]

Ignorance is bliss Had we been ignorant to the file size, all would be well in Rapture

It's not about ignorance, if the file was bigger there would be no speculation about the DLC being on the disc already in the first place.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Ignorance is bliss Had we been ignorant to the file size, all would be well in Rapture

Even so, the DLC shouldn't have been on the disc in the first place, say whatever you want this doesn't detract from this fact.

[Steinmans_Apprentice]

Slightly off topic but if the "DLC" is already on the disc wouldn't that be a security issue as it would enable hackers to access and use the content?

[Chronic Alchemy]

Even so, the DLC shouldn't have been on the disc in the first place, say whatever you want this doesn't detract from this fact.

Very true...

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No,' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.'
- Andrew Ryan

lol... Sorry I couldn't resist...

[Elektr0ns]

Slightly off topic but if the "DLC" is already on the disc wouldn't that be a security issue as it would enable hackers to access and use the content?

Good point.

[Steinmans_Apprentice]

Very true...

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No,' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.'
- Andrew Ryan

lol... Sorry I couldn't resist...

haha yeah I did my taxes the other day and when I found out 25% of my income was going to the government all I could think about was good ol' Andy.

[Ian]

It's not about ignorance, if the file was bigger there would be no speculation about the DLC being on the disc already in the first place.

Well, its either tiny or large, so it wouldn't be on the disc if it was bigger. I dunno, I am looking at it from a consumer's point of view, and I don't go wasting my money. As I said, I might not even buy the DLC, but it is a measly 4 dollars, and NEVER did they advertise Level 50, all characters etc as multiplayer standard. There should never be any speculation, anyway. 2K advertised exactly what we got, so we can't complain. Take it to court and you'd be kicked out, I'd imagine. We got what we paid for

[ArmorForVictory]

well look at it this way it was probably planned DLC, but since they wanted to make sure everyone who had the DLC and those who didn't could play together they put it on disc to solve that problem so they wouldn't split up the MP community LBP does this those updates you have to download are content from the store when you purchase level kits and costumes your only purchasing a unlock key that's 1MB so that everyone can play together online whether or not they own all the DLC just my 2 cents if it wasn't on disc it would have been in a patch and we would have still needed a unlock key anyway

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

well look at it this way it was probably planned DLC, but since they wanted to make sure everyone who had the DLC and those who didn't could play together they put it on disc to solve that problem so they wouldn't split up the MP community LBP does this those updates you have to download are content from the store when you purchase level kits and costumes your only purchasing a unlock key that's 1MB so that everyone can play together online whether or not they own all the DLC just my 2 cents if it wasn't on disc it would have been in a patch and we would have still needed a unlock key anyway

But they (2k) shouldn't have charged for it in the first place, since they knew they were going to charge us for this so called DLC, they might have well retailed the game for an extra $5/£5, but then people would have complained of the increase in price, a la Modern Warfare 2.

[Solid_Snake12345]

well look at it this way it was probably planned DLC, but since they wanted to make sure everyone who had the DLC and those who didn't could play together they put it on disc to solve that problem so they wouldn't split up the MP community LBP does this those updates you have to download are content from the store when you purchase level kits and costumes your only purchasing a unlock key that's 1MB so that everyone can play together online whether or not they own all the DLC just my 2 cents if it wasn't on disc it would have been in a patch and we would have still needed a unlock key anyway

I know this is fairly off-topic but I disagree with you calling the LBP dlc. held back and that you are buying an unlock key. The reason the limit is fairly small is because the packs do not add much at all and therefore don't need massive file sizes. Add to that the fact that they are likely (I'm not 100% sure on this though) compressed it's unlikely they're unlock keys. And, then that brings in the point, that if they were all unlock keys then Media Molocule would of had to of had 2 years (maybe it was less? either way the point stands) or less worth of blocked content on the disk to sell back later and that just seems unlikely to me.

However, if the actual DLC for Bioshock 2 was on the disk but was blocked then that is truly pathetic and should most certainly of been available from the begining. The funny thing though, as people have already mentioned, is that if the file size was bigger, none of us (or few) would be suspecting it was blocked content.

[Mearl]

The reason the limit is fairly small is because the packs do not add much at all and therefore don't need massive file sizes. Add to that the fact that they are likely (I'm not 100% sure on this though) compressed it's unlikely they're unlock keys.

Any small JPEG picture is bigger than 24 KB, so no way this is real DLC. Besides there has already been a comment by Elizabeth (p. 14 of this thread) that more or less confirmed what we are dealing with.

[Mikewarrior]

Well, its either tiny or large, so it wouldn't be on the disc if it was bigger. I dunno, I am looking at it from a consumer's point of view, and I don't go wasting my money. As I said, I might not even buy the DLC, but it is a measly 4 dollars, and NEVER did they advertise Level 50, all characters etc as multiplayer standard. There should never be any speculation, anyway. 2K advertised exactly what we got, so we can't complain. Take it to court and you'd be kicked out, I'd imagine. We got what we paid for

You're wrong, & not only did 2K HIDE/LOCK that content out PURPOSELY to cash in. They done so with things they show in the ART BOOK, & Videos they sent out Pre-launch. Let me ask, what are we supposed to think? They then make up a very poor excuse to think we are all gullible, & stupid enough to believe it.

Well, at least they have you to defend them so vigorously, but I now consider you apart of the problem also by conforming to whatever 2K does.

Weak!

[ArmorForVictory]

I know this is fairly off-topic but I disagree with you calling the LBP dlc. held back and that you are buying an unlock key. The reason the limit is fairly small is because the packs do not add much at all and therefore don't need massive file sizes. Add to that the fact that they are likely (I'm not 100% sure on this though) compressed it's unlikely they're unlock keys. And, then that brings in the point, that if they were all unlock keys then Media Molocule would of had to of had 2 years (maybe it was less? either way the point stands) or less worth of blocked content on the disk to sell back later and that just seems unlikely to me.

However, if the actual DLC for Bioshock 2 was on the disk but was blocked then that is truly pathetic and should most certainly of been available from the begining. The funny thing though, as people have already mentioned, is that if the file size was bigger, none of us (or few) would be suspecting it was blocked content.

the water DLC levels were 1MB while the patch before i could play with it was 200+MB therefore the updates include the DLC (the water pack couldn't have been 1MB) stuff in them so you have all the costumes and level kits on your HDD in the updates you just can't access them unless you buy the unlock key MM has confirmed this this sounds like the same situtation RE5 was in with it's versus mode DLC it was simply an unlock key if you love the MP buy it if not there's nothing you can do about it it's not gonna be free

[Mikewarrior]

MM has confirmed this this sounds like the same situtation RE5 was in with it's versus mode DLC it was simply an unlock key if you love the MP buy it if not there's nothing you can do about it it's not gonna be free

As I remember correctly, people weren't happy about that either. However, the way you say it is just sad... It's either conform, or be denied, don't bother to fight for what you think is right.

Well you may be someone who will just lay down/bend over... whatever position you may like, & take whatever a company does. But lets get one thing strait... Things don't EVER change for the better with your spineless thinking.

Sorry, I think, no... I KNOW you are wrong! Unlike you, I will keep fighting the good fight, & you can continue to allow everything in life to control what you get.

[Ian]

You're wrong, & not only did 2K HIDE/LOCK that content out PURPOSELY to cash in. They done so with things they show in the ART BOOK, & Videos they sent out Pre-launch. Let me ask, what are we supposed to think? They then make up a very poor excuse to think we are all gullible, & stupid enough to believe it.

Well, at least they have you to defend them so vigorously, but I now consider you apart of the problem also by conforming to whatever 2K does.

Weak!

Eh, yeah, there's also Alien-esque aquatic monsters in the art book....
Don't follow it like a freakin' bible

And yeah, what about the videos? They're allowed to show extra stuff in the videos. JUST because characters are in the art book and a video doesn't mean that they'll all come standard with the game.

And, part of the problem? Enlighten me.

[doomed]

What Capcom did with RE5 is irrelevant. If I had bought that game I would've gone to their forum and complain. We're here for BioShock 2.

[Ian]

What Capcom did with RE5 is irrelevant. If I had bought that game I would've gone to their forum and complain. We're here for BioShock 2.

Plus, Resi 5 is kinda rubbish Stupid AI

[Mikewarrior]

Eh, yeah, there's also Alien-esque aquatic monsters in the art book....
Don't follow it like a freakin' bible

- How very sad you are... To compare in-game content to the bible, or hand-drawn Alien-esque aquatic monsters. The content we ALL are talking about is really in the game. Get a clue!

And yeah, what about the videos? They're allowed to show extra stuff in the videos. JUST because characters are in the art book and a video doesn't mean that they'll all come standard with the game.

- So it means it's not in the standard game disc? You are confusing.

And, part of the problem? Enlighten me.

- A sad little soldier, for a big conglomerate company that screws their fans.

[Ian]

- A sad little soldier, for a big conglomerate company that screws their fans.

Your argument was that, because it is in the artbook and a video, that it must come with the game. Not true.

A soldier?

[Vonderbach]

Your argument was that, because it is in the artbook and a video, that it must come with the game.

When you get a pamphlet for the new Ford pickup truck, and that pamhplet shows that the truck comes in 5 colors including Blue, would you not expect that color to be available upon launch? Or would you expect the color to be introduced later as an extra purchase?

[Mikewarrior]

Your argument was that, because it is in the artbook and a video, that it must come with the game. Not true.

Oh, I know it's not true.. 2K already proved that one, & then had Liz release a completely pathetic excuse to COVER.

Yeah, you're so sad, I'm now sad.

[Ian]

When you get a pamphlet for the new Ford pickup truck, and that pamhplet shows that the truck comes in 5 colors including Blue, would you not expect that color to be available upon launch? Or would you expect the color to be introduced later as an extra purchase?

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...wnload-car.png

Seriously though, buying a car and buying a video game isn't the best comparison. I get what you're trying to say, but they aren't easily compared

A pamphlet would be an official piece of information from the company, too. 2K never said anything official about the 2 new characters, so you can't really hold them to that. They could have easily dropped those characters for good. Early videos of games can often be quite different from the finished product

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...wnload-car.png

Seriously though, buying a car and buying a video game isn't the best comparison. I get what you're trying to say, but they aren't easily compared

O.k. then how about a MOVIE... Lets say they show content in a movie during a commercial, & describe that same content that isn't in the final version (Like what really happens) then you buy that movie, & then they come out with a KEY to unlock that content, but you just have to PAY some money AGAIN to see it.

For you to think that's right, makes you so very wrong!

[Ian]

O.k. then how about a MOVIE... Lets say they show content in a movie during a commercial, & describe that same content that isn't in the final version (Like what really happens) then you buy that movie, & then they come out with a KEY to unlock that content, but you just have to PAY some money AGAIN to see it.

For you to think that's right, makes you so very wrong!

You'll need to elaborate on that, dude. Don't really know what you're trying to say

[Mikewarrior]

You'll need to elaborate on that, dude. Don't really know what you're trying to say

You're not worth it.

[McCoffeebreak]

after all the post i checked wat is the contend in the game and what give u the DLC. i think it should realy be in the game. its nothing where a developer team have lots of additional work. in original game u can only chose between 5 (?) charakters and 3 (?) masks? wow and level 40 sound wired

i believe the additional 2 charakters and mask where suposed to be in the game ... i belive it was suposed to be level 50 ... but they searched for some DLC-content to make extra money ...

back in my early xbox 360 time we get maps and stuff free .. for example rainbow six vegas 1 and 2 ... clothes in dead rising ...and so on ... now for every tiny thing the publishers want money ...

i thougt such additional content should please the gamers, who bought the game, for a longer time ... now they found out that u can make money with all that stuff ...

i unterstand pay-DLC when its realy an add-on to the game .... something in that developers put a lot of work after the game release ... like the episodes to GTA4

i never will buy such stupid DLCs that u cann have today and that costs too much money ...

sorry my bad english ... not my native language ...

[Ian]

after all the post i checked wat is the contend in the game and what give u the DLC. i think it should realy be in the game. its nothing where a developer team have lots of additional work. in original game u can only chose between 5 (?) charakters and 3 (?) masks? wow and level 40 sound wired

i believe the additional 2 charakters and mask where suposed to be in the game ... i belive it was suposed to be level 50 ... but they searched for some DLC-content to make extra money ...

back in my early xbox 360 time we get maps and stuff free .. for example rainbow six vegas 1 and 2 ... clothes in dead rising ...and so on ... now for every tiny thing the publishers want money ...

i thougt such additional content should please the gamers, who bought the game, for a longer time ... now they found out that u can make money with all that stuff ...

i unterstand pay-DLC when its realy an add-on to the game .... something in that developers put a lot of work after the game release ...

i never will buy such stupid DLCs that u cann have today and that costs too much money ...

sorry my bad english ... not my native language ...

I may be wrong,but I think Microsoft take a big chunk of money for DLC,so they have to charge something. My memory is very vague about it,though

[doomed]

It's already on the disc, if they didn't lock it, no download would be needed and it would be free. No one forced them to go this way.

[Ga1Friday]

I think that we should all chill out on this until tomorrow; I guess there will be an official statement Monday.

[McCoffeebreak]

maybe u dont understand me ... some of the first next-gen-games had free DLCs ... there wasnt much DLCs out there ...

but for example rainbow six vegas 1 or 2 buyers get new maps free ... today they would not do that, cause they found out u can get money for that ...

[Ian]

It's already on the disc, if they didn't lock it, no download would be needed and it would be free. No one forced them to go this way.

Yes,that's a good point,but again i'll say it. People would still be complaining if that happened,looking for DLC

[Vonderbach]

Yes,that's a good point,but again i'll say it. People would still be complaining if that happened,looking for DLC

There may be some complainers, but the majority of this uproar would not be existant.

[Ian]

maybe u dont understand me ... some of the first next-gen-games had free DLCs ... there wasnt much DLCs out there ...

but for example rainbow six vegas 1 or 2 buyers get new maps free ... today they would not do that, cause they found out u can get money for that ...

No,I do understand you But I think that Microsoft would charge 2K for putting the content on Marketplace,so it wouldn't make sense for them to put it up for free and lose money. Maybe Microsoft didn't charge when Rainbow Six was around and they changed their policy?

[Ian]

There may be some complainers, but the majority of this uproar would not be existant.

I beg to differ There's only a small few complaining here,whereas there's already tons of threads on future maps,game modes etc. These Parasites demand their damn map packs :P

[doomed]

Yes,that's a good point,but again i'll say it. People would still be complaining if that happened,looking for DLC

But it didn't happen, so we don't know. Our problem is with the current situation, not with a "what if" one.

[blissskr]

I beg to differ There's only a small few complaining here,whereas there's already tons of threads on future maps,game modes etc. These Parasites demand their damn map packs :P

And whats your point in this thread? You stated earlier you didn't buy it so why are you in here defending it anyways? I'm very vocal in here that its wrong and I happened to drop the $5 on it so I'm not a parasite by any means what I am is a cheated consumer.

[Ian]

But it didn't happen, so we don't know. Our problem is with the current situation, not with a "what if" one.

Every Action Has An Equal And Opposite Reaction,Newton's Third Law Gotta take in the What If. 2K prob considered the What If situation of putting the content on disc