2K: Why is the DLC 24kb only?

[Tom2020]

I registered just for this.

I don't really care how you want to spin it, you're charging people for to play something they've already paid for on teh disk. The DLC is done, finished, shipped, on the bloody disk, and you're charging money for people to unlock it. THat is absolute bull****. I don't care about your nonsense of dividing the player base or whatever waffle it was.

I agree! Why not just make this DLC free at least? I mean this is BS! Why should I have to pay for something, that was already on the disc, but cut out late minute. Okay fine if there's a issue great. Then give it to us free. It just boggles my mind how we should PAY for something that was SUPPOSED to be already included.

How dare they even call this Down Loadable Content. Real DLC is something that was made after the game, that developers worked hard on, this, this is just BS that was cut out last second, to simply make a profit.

I want the truth 2K!

[HeavenlyDemonic]

I was talking about the SiTS promo Rapture LP record 2K sent to me (free of postage I might add), not the Record included in the Bio 2 Special Edition.

I fail to see why anyone would actually give a **** ... free postage or not.. but go ahead and put that on your resume dude ... epeen stroking on the internet always make you look good.

Maybe next you can tell us all how awesome you are in WoW Arena Battles, ha ha ha ha haaaaaa! Sweet.

[conantheking]

I fail to see why anyone would actually give a **** ... free postage or not.. but go ahead and put that on your resume dude ... epeen stroking on the internet always make you look good.

Maybe next you can tell us all how awesome you are in WoW Arena Battles, ha ha ha ha haaaaaa! Sweet.

WTF? Dude you need to chill. Discuss the game, not insult other gamers.

[Elektr0ns]

WTF? Dude you need to chill. Discuss the game, not insult other gamers.

Always sad to see people attack one another when the topic at hand is ignored.

[Elektr0ns]

Wait... I know how to fix all of this.


Would you kindly make the current or next DLC content free...

[Kleetus]

I don't understand what the issue is.

Just because the files, or most of them, are on the disc, doesn't mean you're entitled to them or you bought them.

EG: When you buy Windows 7, the files for other versions are there.

That doesn't mean you're entitled to every version just because you've purchased a particular key and they're there on the DVD.

I fail to see or understand why most of you think you're automatically entitled or somehow being ripped off?

[doomed]

In OS' the concept of DLC doesn't exist, so your example isn't valid.

[Kleetus]

Yes it is.

When you bought the game, did it say anywhere that DLC was included?

You bought a licence to play Bioshock 2, not the DLC.

In OS' the concept of DLC doesn't exist, so your example isn't valid.

There is no such rule that says OS's are different to games or DLC's.

It's the same basic concept.

No one promised you that the DLC's would be part of the deal.

[Rebelphoenix]

I don't understand what the issue is.

Just because the files, or most of them, are on the disc, doesn't mean you're entitled to them or you bought them.

EG: When you buy Windows 7, the files for other versions are there.

That doesn't mean you're entitled to every version just because you've purchased a particular key and they're there on the DVD.

I fail to see or understand why most of you think you're automatically entitled or somehow being ripped off?

The code is there and that's what we paid for.

[Tom2020]

Yes it is.

When you bought the game, did it say anywhere that DLC was included?

You bought a licence to play Bioshock 2, not the DLC.




There is no such rule that says OS's are different to games or DLC's.

It's the same basic concept.

No one promised you that the DLC's would be part of the deal.

But it was part of the game! The thieves, cut it out purposley to make a profit. Why not give it to us for free? This is an outrage. Why in the hell did I pay 100 bucks for the special edition, to only download 1 month later, DLC that was meant to be in the game?

[Kleetus]

The code is there and that's what we paid for.

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Who promised you when you purchased Bioshock 2 that the DLC would be part of the deal?

[Tom2020]

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Who promised you when you purchased Bioshock 2 that the DLC would be part of the deal?

but it's not dlc. it was orginally part of the game. we saw trailers featuring it, even in in the artbook it was shown.

[Kleetus]

But it was part of the game!

No it wasn't.

I've never seen one AD on a website that said if you purchase Bioshock 2 you will get the DLC.

Nor is it on the DVD cover of the game.

Just because the files are there, it doesn't mean you're entitled to them.

If that was legally the case, then I'm entitled to every version of Windows 7.

You ONLY bought a licence for Bioshock 2, you have no other entitlement.

The developer could put a dozen games or files on there if they wish, but as long as they deliver what you purchase, they've done nothing wrong.

[Rebelphoenix]

No it wasn't.

I've never seen one AD on a website that said if you purchase Bioshock 2 you will get the DLC.

Nor is it on the DVD cover of the game.

Just because the files are there, it doesn't mean you're entitled to them.

If that was legally the case, then I'm entitled to every version of Windows 7.

You ONLY bought a licence for Bioshock 2, you have no other entitlement.

The developer could put a dozen games or files on there if they wish, but as long as they deliver what you purchase, they've done nothing wrong.

Again it's not DLC. The full code is on the disc, it's an extremely small unlock key that you are downloading. there's nothing downloadable about the content.

[Relight]

but it's not dlc. it was orginally part of the game. we saw trailers featuring it, even in in the artbook it was shown.

The only reason it's not DLC is because it's not downloadable content.

You cannot prove that it was originally meant to be part of the game and then cut out afterward, regardless of the trailers or the artbook.

It would have been developed at the same time as everything else (that's why they show it in trailers and artbook), but they could have always intended it to be content for "DLC."

You just can't prove that they said "hey, we made 10 characters, but let's cut 2 of them out and make them DLC."

It's just as likely that they said, "alright, let's make 6 characters for the main game, and let's make 2 more for DLC and 2 more for pre-order exclusives."

[Tom2020]

The only reason it's not DLC is because it's not downloadable content.

You cannot prove that it was originally meant to be part of the game and then cut out afterward, regardless of the trailers or the artbook.

It would have been developed at the same time as everything else (that's why they show it in trailers and artbook), but they could have always intended it to be content for "DLC."

You just can't prove that they said "hey, we made 10 characters, but let's cut 2 of them out and make them DLC."

It's just as likely that they said, "alright, let's make 6 characters for the main game, and let's make 2 more for DLC and 2 more for pre-order exclusives."

But I thought the defintion of DLC, was something that was created after the release of the game.

[Rebelphoenix]

But I thought the defintion of DLC, was something that was created after the release of the game.

yes and that you download it from the internet not unlock it on the disk.

[Relight]

But I thought the defintion of DLC, was something that was created after the release of the game.

Exactly! That is the fundamental problem here. That is the problem that needs to be addressed and that companies must realize.

That is why 2K should not have called this downloadable content, but rather unlockable content.

It's a very simple matter and not worth all these pages of posts.

DLC = content created after the release of the game and downloaded

If it doesn't fit that definition, it's not DLC.

All I want is for 2K to call it what it is.

[Big D]

Stop complaining. the only actual trouble i see in this is that hackers could extract the file and install it without the lock. Other then that, i'm happy with my purchase.

[doomed]

Stop complaining.

No, we won't. If you do not care about this why are you reading this thread? If you are perfectly happy with your purchase, go ahead and enjoy it. No one is forcing you to agree with us.

[Big D]

read all my thread. I only made a slight disagreement.

[sfger]

Ok everybody. We all have established that we are pissed off and that we are upset with this situation. 2k is probably reading alot of this thread and they do hear our complaints. What we need to do now is take action. I'm not talking about a failed attempt at boycotting or starting some pointless online petition or anything like that. Threatenting 2k by saying that you won't buy there games or your telling other people about this won't do a damn thing, unless we do it together which will never happen because we don't represent enough of their overall consumer base.

We need to attempt to take legal action. There are lawyers who would love to pounce on this. This isn't just for videogames, but for all markets and all products that are sold to the consumer. This is a moral, ethical, and possibly legal issue. I live in America, and I don't know any of the consumer protection laws, but I'm sure that there is something that applies to this. 2k has many lawyers and is obviously using some loop-hole to shaft the customer and they think that they can get away with it because no one will make a fuss.

We should make a fuss. First thing to do, is to contact someone who knows the legal system. Lawyers, maybe even our state senators and representatives in the federal governement, also state attorney generals. Particularly someone who is familiar with the videogame industry and the laws of our free-economies. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that there is some kind of law that would conflict with what 2k is doing. I may not personally spend my money to go after 2k if possible, but if we can get a movement going then we could prevent cheap tricks like this from happening again. We need to find out if there are any type of laws or rules against this kind of business tactic. We should do some research.

I'd be all for it in a heartbeat. BUT, I'd have give 2K a 2 week period to redeem themselves, and if not, I think the lawsuit should also target getting a law in place to stop the withholding of content in a game to charge for it later (but like if it's half done, and the release date is coming up, and they simply didn't have time to finish the greater portion of it, then maybe that would be ok)

[Mikewarrior]

I'm always curious when people cry boycott. I'm curious as to the percent of those people that actually follow through. When 2K comes out with another game in a series that you like, if it looks good, are you really not going to buy it? Are you really going to boycott 2K product from now until the end of time?

I know I will, & that's all that matters to me. I will never help 2K's developers ever again, but what I will not do is take it out on 3rd party developers that are getting their games published through 2K... 3rd parties like Gearbox. I'm the same way with EA/Activision.

Besides, if I want a game bad enough, all I have to do is wait a little, & buy it used. Why do you think I'm so against DLC that will turn into Digital Distribution ONLY games in the future?

[Steinmans_Apprentice]

I hope that on monday it becomes a free download and they refund everyone's points/money. That would show that 2k had some grapefuits.

I would be happy if they did this, but I don't know if they could actually pull it off. Would the PSN and Microsoft let them refund something they have already collected on? Money has already changed hands from us, to PSN/Microsoft and then likely into a 2K account. I don't think there's any going back, which really sucks. I think we will get a statement from 2K with a formal apology and it will be a lesson for future content releases by 2K and that's all that will come of this.

This is just such a passionate topic... I just don't see how somebody @ 2K would let this fly is beyond me.

It's a PR nightmare considering you get 10 additional levels of MP, some new masks, trials, and two new playable characters. Definitely not worth all the bad publicity and people threatening to withdrawal support for the company over.

I fail to see why anyone would actually give a **** ... free postage or not.. but go ahead and put that on your resume dude ... epeen stroking on the internet always make you look good.

Maybe next you can tell us all how awesome you are in WoW Arena Battles, ha ha ha ha haaaaaa! Sweet.

I only mentioned free postage because it was a gift from 2K with no strings attached. And I never played WoW, so I have no idea what arena battles are.

[Mikewarrior]

I would be happy if they did this,

I wouldn't... They still deceived, & tried to get away with it. Who knows what else they have done, or will do one they learn from this mistake.

[doomed]

I'm sure they'll downplay it.

I can already see Monday's announcement:

"[...]The fact is that only a few of our fans were dissatisfied with this, and those can always wait for the upcoming singleplayer DLC, which will be awesome!"

[Tom2020]

I'm sure they'll downplay it.

I can already see Monday's announcement:

"[...]The fact is that only a few of our fans were dissatisfied with this, and those can always wait for the upcoming singleplayer DLC, which will be awesome!"

I think this song is pretty fitting in our situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog

[Relight]

I think this song is pretty fitting in our situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog

LOL I hadn't seen that video, that's an awesome video. Made me think of Ryan's Amusements a bit.

[russian box]

i pay £50 for a special edition but then have to pay more to get somthing thats already there?


W O W


Thanks alot 2K. if i liked the MP i'd probbly hate you more right now

but im only playing it for the achievements, then its back to somthing good.

[Fate]

I'mma go straight ahead and CTRL + V what I posted in the other thread.

No doubt it's taken 2k ALOT of money to create the amazing game that is Bioshock 2, a few extra pounds... dollars... whatever, can't compare to how much money they've spent trying to entertain their fans.

Also, 2k ISN'T the first to do this, it seems the fans of Bioshock have nothing better to do than get angry over it though. Other communities I've seen get annoyed for a couple of weeks at the most then just let it fly.

[doomed]

I'mma go straight ahead and CTRL + V what I posted in the other thread.

No doubt it's taken 2k ALOT of money to create the amazing game that is Bioshock 2, a few extra pounds... dollars... whatever, can't compare to how much money they've spent trying to entertain their fans.

Also, 2k ISN'T the first to do this, it seems the fans of Bioshock have nothing better to do than get angry over it though. Other communities I've seen get annoyed for a couple of weeks at the most then just let it fly.

Neither the budget of the game (which surely was much, much, lower than the original for obvious reasons) nor the case that other companies might also be doing this, concerns us.

[Fate]

Neither the budget of the game (which surely was much, much, lower than the original for obvious reasons) nor the case that other companies might also be doing this, concerns us.

I guess reading every post in the thread does have its rewards...

[Cyzal]

I'mma go straight ahead and CTRL + V what I posted in the other thread.

No doubt it's taken 2k ALOT of money to create the amazing game that is Bioshock 2, a few extra pounds... dollars... whatever, can't compare to how much money they've spent trying to entertain their fans.

Also, 2k ISN'T the first to do this, it seems the fans of Bioshock have nothing better to do than get angry over it though. Other communities I've seen get annoyed for a couple of weeks at the most then just let it fly.

Plenty wrong with this post, Here i have a blender for $50... there you go
What no blades, what they were meant to come in the box? well i don't know about that... you can have them for $15 interested?

Speaking out when you feel wronged is completely acceptable, You're seriously going to sit back when you know you've been sold half a game.. and then another chunk is missing but it was made during development, when the game was ready for pressing.. it was shown off as part of the game?

This is the problem with people buying DLC blindly they never speak out when they know, it will eventually result in a company selling the last level of a game to you... another publisher has already suggested it.

[Crezth]

It's a way for them to milk a few extra dollars out of a small component of the game.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's not even dishonest. But it is pretty lazy. That's why I'm not buying it.

I'd much rather they fixed the bugs - the massive numbers of bugs - before churning out DLC.

Although it's possible this is the game's only DLC, which is really funny because it's nothing and by all the laws of decency should have come packed in the game.

[Gameplayer03]

It may not be dishonest, but it is very sly. I feel as though someone pulled a fast one on me. I haven't even bought it yet. It's a low con-man scam really, there was no need to lock content out of the except for the reason of skinning the consumer another 5 bucks. It's very cheap. Even worse and far more scary, what if this becomes a regularly practiced business tactic?? I fear that if it goes un-challenged that we're going to see it happen more and more and on a bigger scale.

Bioshock 3 release date 2013. 10 hour single player campaign that cuts you off 3/4s of the way through the game. One month later "Sinclair Solutions rest of the game dlc update is coming out!! Want to finish the rest of the game you already payed for?? We have the key available for download on the xbox live marketplace for only 400 microsoft points!!". Then everybody will be like "Yay!!! New content!! Thank you 2k!!" *quickly types in credit card #*

[thor9356]

Plenty wrong with this post, Here i have a blender for $50... there you go
What no blades, what they were meant to come in the box? well i don't know about that... you can have them for $15 interested?

Why is that when someone puts an example it doesn't really make much sense. Cause the only place that would do that would be a pawn shop. Anyway i've been reading this thread for quite a while and the only thing I can say is what my brother told me. "If you don't like it then get the balls to do something about it instead of complaining about it or Just sit back and come down with who gives a **** like I did."

[doomed]

We ARE doing something about it. Check the first post.

[modgeezer]

Originally Posted by moose94
Simple,

Another lost sale. I am happy playing BioShock2 for what the standard game contains. I will not pay extra to play something I have already purchased.


I have been looking forward to the DLC release. I keep all disc based games I have completed when I purchase DLC. I am not going to resale my disc when I purchase DLC as I do not get actual value from my original purchase if I spend additional money with DLC. However, I feel robbed from 2k for trying to charge me for content I have already purchased.


After discovering the DLC is really "unlock" content, I will refuse to purchase the activation key. I plan to sell my BioShock2 game as I have already finished the game and refuse to purchase the add-on.


2K, more revenue loss for you as you will not make profit on resale of games.


Get your "like new" BioShock2 from Craigslist now... Save yourself some $$, and give me the revenue!

Great idea i picked up Bioshock 2 on Craigslist today for 40 bucks and used the extra 20 a new copy would have cost on a Neca Big Sister - Little Sister Action Figure set.

[Adam Addict L]

I registered just for this.

I don't really care how you want to spin it, you're charging people for to play something they've already paid for on teh disk. The DLC is done, finished, shipped, on the bloody disk, and you're charging money for people to unlock it. THat is absolute bull****. I don't care about your nonsense of dividing the player base or whatever waffle it was, this is a goddamn scam. It would be akin to buying a new car, then 2 months later being charged an extra thousand pounds to open the windows.

although you are entitled to your opinion....I love how,seeing as how this your 1rst post ever on the whole forum, you obviously joined JUST to complain about this,and even admit to doing so

[ICPGr8Milenko]

You can add QJ.net, GameInformer and 1up to the list on the 1st post.