Those websites are not supposed to support our argument but to spread the information among other players. The intention was to inform people.Originally Posted by Ian
Those websites are not supposed to support our argument but to spread the information among other players. The intention was to inform people.
Exactly.
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I have no problem with you putting your point on here, but I think you're going about it wrong. Look at that quote from a website I used earlier, they're spreading false information. You would have hit enough people to "inform" on here, and now you're inadvertently sending out some false information. You should have let it be, and spoken to 2K directly, rather than running off to the media, who'll suck the story for every drop of blood its worth. They're probably looking at this thread, waiting for Liz to reply so they can get their nerd gossip
And, having read through the whole thread, I can say that the overall impression is not one of information, but of threats
Well I sent a complaint email to corp office. I will at least try to do something about this. Being civil can work wonders.
It can.... but, what are you looking for?
I won't remove the links and I won't stop posting new ones so please stop repeating this. I appreciate your opinion, but I think differently and there's no point in debating this, as it's not helping our cause at all.
If you still want to discuss this either PM me (though there's no point, I already told you I won't remove them and you'll be wasting your time) or start a new thread about that to discuss it.
This thread focuses on the DLC issue. If you want to focus on the press coverage, post somewhere else.
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Resolution. I'd rather not get into a pissing contest. I'm not just gonna take the "I can't do anything attitude." I put forth an effort and regardless of the outcome I tried.
I'm not saying anything about an "I can't do anything" attitude
I'm just genuinely wondering what sort of resolution you are looking for
I'd imagine that all further DLC is on the disc,too
If it is then it shouldn't cost anything to unlock it.I'm not saying anything about an "I can't do anything" attitude
I'm just genuinely wondering what sort of resolution you are looking for
I'd imagine that all further DLC is on the disc,too
There's loads of ideas in this thread. Give it a read. I'm not about to list them all.I'm not saying anything about an "I can't do anything" attitude
I'm just genuinely wondering what sort of resolution you are looking for
I'd imagine that all further DLC is on the disc,too
Yeah, I've read through it, but I'm asking you
I disagree. The game came with everything that they advertised
Seriously if they are already on the disc make the unlock keys free. We already paid for the disc give us the content. Then start working on the real DLC.
If that's the case then Oscar and Louie, who were seen in one of the multiplayer trailers released way before February 2010 should have been playable from the start.
Again, I disagree. That video was posted a long time ago, and its possible that 2K decided to make them DLC. I'm more inclined to believe that they just wanted to show them off. Just because they are in a video doesn't mean they come standard with the game
But they were obviously already made, and also the files for them were already on the disc. Again, we bought the game,we are entitled to everything on it, I don't buy a car to be charged for the keys later, they come as standard.
For reference further 'dlc' is not on the disc, unless they've hidden it so well its virtually impossible to find among the game files. As I said when the 'dlc' was announced and others did too way before it was released also; we knew it was on the disc research a little on the forums and you'll see how many of us pointed it out. This type of cash grabbing by companies needs to be put to a halt and those of us who are smart enough to see where this type of thing will lead if its allowed to continue don't want that to happen. If your ignorant to the fact and happy to empty out your pockets go ahead but please don't defend the shameful actions of 2k in this instance, go play BS2 multiplayer and enjoy your 'dlc'.
What's your source of information? Are you a 2K employee? No...
I can't believe there's still someone who defends 2K so much and apparently thinks that what they did is acceptable.
No, I looked at the packaging of my product
If its any consolation, I can't believe how many people are tearing at 2K with their bloody claws. Has Andrew Ryan taught you nothing?!
As did I... And look what is in my art book... The models for the "DLC". Right there plain as day. Not one word of it as cut content or as DLC. Which implies it is part of the game. Would you kindly stop trolling...
The packaging doesn't show all the MP characters and all the maps, so they shouldn't be in the game then?
Andrew is dead, dude.
Though I agree with you on the point that a video doesn't count as a promise (look at movie trailers, happens all of the time), I don't see your point. If you're a fervent supporter of 2k Games and accept everything they do: Fine. Others aren't as convinced, and they are voicing their opinions. Should they want to express their view with leaflets or magazine articles, letters to editors: That's OKAY, because we are all entitled to say what we think. They run to the media because publicity and an informed gamer base are the most powerful instrument we have against such business models. You think that's wrong: Well, then go your way and wait for 2k to laugh in your face when you e-mail them.
At least we try to make a change by letting others know what's going on here. If nothing comes of it, that will not prove your point, but ours: That 2k Games doesn't care about their customers.
He certainly didn't teach me that I shouldn't complain about having to pay two times for the same thing.
Yes he did 'Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?' And the full product he purchased with the fruit of that sweat? And with this cash grabbing 2k looks like a bunch of parasites to me.
Screw the parasites! Who do they think we are? In this tough economy, how dare they cut out features that were ORIGINALLY MEANT TO BE IN THE GAME!! To only cut it out and release it to us a few weeks later!!
Ooh, fun!
That proves nothing! Of course DLC can be in an artbook! And, it IS part of the game, if you choose to purchase it
No, what I mean is, show me somewhere where 2K advertised all the multiplayer characters coming with the game
Then we must carry his idealsAndrew is dead, dude.
I don't accept everything they do, I just haven't seen any problems with my game. My Limited Edition game was perfect, I get no lag so I argue that it isn't a widespread issue, my Xbox freezes every now and then, but a patch is on the way, so there's no point in complaining etc. etc. etc.
And I don't think its unreasonable to ask for 4 measly dollars to get some extra for multiplayer. Although, I probably won't even buy it. Not in the immediate future anyway
Leaflets?
Yes, of course 2K want your money, that's logical and makes business sense. However, I wouldn't be laughed at if I e-mailed them, and you can be sure of that. They'll laugh at you if you start firing demands at them. They owe you nothing but a patch!
I'm trying to make change, too! I've been lurking on these forums since SITS started last year, and it used to be such a lovely forum. Now all people do is demand more and more and more. It makes people like me get caught up in pointless debates like this, when I could be talking about the game itself, which I love
You think that, because 2K won't do something about this, that they don't listen to their customers? Dude, there comes a point when they just have to stop. Look at how helpful 2K Liz is on here. She does her best to solve any of your concerns, directs you to someone who can solve your problem, etc.
Just once you ask her nicely! You know, basic human treatment? Not barking demands and the like
I will be extremely shocked if 2K do anything. I wouldn't expect them to. There'd be no such argument if you all lived in ignorance. If we didn't know about the DLC file size, you'd all be happy little ignorant campers
Let's not be dramatic here. You're no paying double price or anything like it. Its 4 bucks, and its optional. The game works without that 4 bucks. If you don't want to pay it, don't
We GOT the full product. The game works perfect. Everything advertised is included. Everything else is an extra
That might be the sillieist damn thing I have ever heard.
Excuse me, but that's her job. If I was her boss and she didn't do this, I'd fire her.
And would you show us where they said that even though the two characters we saw in that official trailer are on the disc, they will be available as DLC later?
I'm not trying to be dramatic. I already purchased the DLC and those "4 measly dollars" don't bug me, it's the principle.Let's not be dramatic here. You're no paying double price or anything like it. Its 4 bucks, and its optional. The game works without that 4 bucks. If you don't want to pay it, don't
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Yeah, but she's 2K's representative. She cares about the customers, so don't dare say that 2K don't give a crap about us
@Ian: I wasn't suggesting leaflets, but if someone did it, that would be okay for me. As already stated, we can all give our opinions in the ways we think best. You and I are having a nice little discussion here, others are telling the press or blogs, others are just having a beer and enjoying their DLC. So what? No need to get personal and suggest that your way of handling things is better than the ways others choose.
By the way you chose to get "caught up in pointless debates like this". There are hundreds of other threads, so feel free to discuss other things.
We'll see on Monday.
They didn't say that anywhere. Everyone assumed that those characters were cut, and we've been speculating for months that they'd be released as DLC later down the line
Just because its already on the disc doesn't mean they're trying to rob you! They would have been better off just letting you download a big chunky file, and then there would have been no trouble! You're getting the same items either way!It doesn't make a difference, you would have had to pay that 4 dollars anyway, whether for 100KB or 100MB! A bit of common sense!
Let me put it in Rapture terms;
You live in Siren Alley. The DLC is like meeting a Baby Jane in Siren Alley. She's already there, and you can pay for her if you want, or maybe you'll choose not to. Its damn hell easier than having to source one from outside of Siren Alley, though. There's no point in complaining that she's already there, tainting your neighbourhood. You didn't know that she came with your house/neighbourhood, but it doesn't make a difference
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If I was a betting man, I'd bet my savings that nothing will be done. Then again, you've made 2K buckle before. They gave in once, and now everyone wants a piece
We are in disagreement. And that's fine with me. Please try to add some constructive criticism instead of blind fanboyism. Otherwise you can be #1 on my ignore list.
Don't tell me I have no common sense. Yes if the file was bigger this thread would probably not even exist and everyone would be happy with the DLC.Just because its already on the disc doesn't mean they're trying to rob you! They would have been better off just letting you download a big chunky file, and then there would have been no trouble! You're getting the same items either way!
Either way, still a low move on 2K Marin's part with the DLC... If it's already on the disc, wouldn't there be some way to unlock it with out the DLC?
I've been providing concise arguments. Yeah, I am a fanboy, but that wouldn't stop me from speaking out against Bioshock 2 if I had a problem. I've been speaking out about certain bits that I disliked. I'd imagine some of you are complaining BECAUSE you're fanboys.
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