Good score imo.Originally Posted by modgeezer
Great idea i picked up Bioshock 2 on Craigslist today for 40 bucksand used the extra 20 a new copy would have cost on a Neca Big Sister - Little Sister Action Figure set.
Good score imo.Great idea i picked up Bioshock 2 on Craigslist today for 40 bucks
And what exactly have you done with your 2000+ posts? Other than waste a huge portion of your life posting crap no one will really care about?although you are entitled to your opinion....I love how,seeing as how this your 1rst post ever on the whole forum, you obviously joined JUST to complain about this,and even admit to doing so
Ladies and Gentlemen ... I give you ... irony.
it's not irony,it's just your opinion...and like I said,the guy even admitted himself to joining just to complain about that.
What next? Pay for each files separatly? HATE game in kit!!! it's just swindle!!!!
Not everyone has the need to hang out on a board all damn day, start threads and being a post***** like.........you know.......you.although you are entitled to your opinion....I love how,seeing as how this your 1rst post ever on the whole forum, you obviously joined JUST to complain about this,and even admit to doing so
there's no need to attack me about it...did I ever say the person should be someone that ''hangs out on a board all day''? No...I am not attacking anyone or caling anyone names here....I am just trying to convey that basically it seems silly to me to join just to complain. But that's just my opinion,and if you disagree,that's fine and dandy,I have no problem with that.
Thanks.
To the guys that are about to fight: use the PM system, please.
Yeah i hate when long threads turn into personal fights.
Fixed it for you.
I repeat,there's no need to attack me like you are...if you disagree with what I have said,that's fine,I don't have a problem with that.
That's kind of the point of this forum, though... It's a place for users to discuss their feelings about games. Regardless of whether of not it's positive, it's justified and I don't see any problem with someone joining simply to criticize.
I understand where you are coming from...and although yes,there is no problem with a person joining just to critize,and a person has a right to do so if they please...I just think it's silly is all..and I'm not saying the person is silly..just that their action is silly...but again,that is just my opinion
So I bought this game, and I don't agree with its EULA.
Now the store won't return my money because I opened the box.
I want my money back 2K!
hurf durf
where did you buy it?? depending on where you buy a brand new game,you may or may not be allowed to return it and get a refund after opening the box
I'm confused how it's "silly" to create a board account for the sole reason of complaining. Rather, I fail to see how it's any sillier than creating one for the sole reason of expressing your appreciation for a game, or for that matter, for any other "sole reason" you might be able to think of.
There has to be a first reason to make an account...in what way is complaining about feeling ripped off "silly?"
I said this a bit up thread, but clearly a lot of people aren't reading every post (not sure I blame them). One of the things that makes me angry about this is that I would VERY MUCH like to vote with my wallet. Yes, I can decide not to buy the "DLC," and I am already quite committed to that. Unfortunately, I can't take back buying the game in the first place. I feel like I've been deceived by 2K, and as a result do not want to have even a single dollar go to supporting this product, and likely in the future (depending on how this issue is dealt with) this company.
I can't sell it at a used game store because I live in Japan and bought my copy from a special US import store (8,000 yen for the regular version). Selling it on ebay would be ridiculous because nobody would buy my copy with the higher shipping charges. The best I can do is hope to find a friend to sell it to. Yes, I can vote with my wallet in the future, and I can vote with my wallet, to some extent, by simply not buying the so-called DLC, but the big issue for me is that I can't vote with my wallet in the precise fashion I usually employ, which is total boycott. The reason for this is pure and simple deceit.
I'm doing everything I can (which isn't a whole lot) by coming on here and complaining. A million rain drops makes a storm, after all.
Personally I couldn't care. I'd rather a hundred kb download rather than a few hundred megabytes eating up my rubbish internet allowance. So what if they already have it on the disc? If we got it with the game,already unlocked,then you'd all STILL be complaining,looking for DLC. You can't say that we got an incomplete game,bugs aside. If they have it already on disc,that's fine with me. I got an amazing sequel,with the added bonus of a great multiplayer. Anything else is simply extra! I don't see why people are getting so angry,its just a different form of distribution
A different form of distribution? Well, yes - but not one that I and a lot of people here on this forum are willing to accept. Had I known of the business ethics 2k Games is working with, I wouldn't have bought the game in the first place. Again: DLC is something that is created after the game has been shipped. It's for the fans, and I personally understand well that fans want to indulge in further content - like I do in Bioware's DLC for Dragon Age. But if a company is using this model like 2k, then it's just plain wrong.
In my opinion, all legal actions against this wouldn't hold. So what we can do - and what I will do - is to speak out as loud as we can and stop buying their products until they realize that customers are not stupid.
I say we make a song like that guy did when the united employees broke his guitars. And to be ironic we take out the middle 20 seconds, but include it with the song, then charge an extra $0.20 afterwords if they want to hear that 20 seconds xD
Doesn't matter if it's the first post or the 5,000 post, people that paid their hard earned money for this game are not happy. I honestly don't see it doing much good given how many people (including myself) complained about how intrusive Bioshock 1 was into our systems and how much MORE intrusive BS2 is (I won't even put it on my laptop). This will just keep going until the afore mentioned scenario of us having to pay $60 bucks then $10 bucks a month to get the little chuncks of the game that we should have gotten in the first place. That's all the companies really want is to bleed customers dry anymore. Hell at least EA has the balls to admit that's exactly what they want to do. I respect their balls, but I won't buy their games.although you are entitled to your opinion....I love how,seeing as how this your 1rst post ever on the whole forum, you obviously joined JUST to complain about this,and even admit to doing so
Last edited by Rebelphoenix; 03-13-2010 at 08:18 PM.
While you are right about the fact that since it's already on the disc the file size for the download posted on PSN/XBLM is smaller and uses less of your internet allowance, you are wrong about the idea of it being on the disc being right.
I bought the disc, I decided to support 2K by buying this game with my money, I could have bought a PS3 exclusive game and supported Sony directly which I love to do but I went for BioShock 2 since I love the whole game universe, and when they deliberately hold back a piece of the game, however big or small, then try to charge me for it and pass it of as something made after the game has released (which is what DLC is) then I'm sorry but they are being very deceitful and their practise has to change.
While the single player and multi-player on their own are fine (apart from the fact they obviously don't have a QA team at 2K Marin) out of the disc, I should be able to play all of it. This makes me wonder if they cut down the single player just so they could charge us for a longer story later on in time. Obviously, now they can't.
Don't discredit people just cause they don't have a large number posts. Some of us just lurk and read posts you know.......I love how,seeing as how this your 1rst post ever on the whole forum, you obviously joined JUST to complain about this,and even admit to doing so
Well, I'd imagine that a considerable amount of DLC is created WHILE making the game. Just because it comes out months down the line, doesn't mean that they haven't had it ready since launch day.... I wouldn't say its un-ethical at all, its just "different", and quite a lot of people on here are conservative about Rapture and all that goes with it
I never said that hidden content on the disc was "right", but I didn't say it was "wrong", either. Listen, you don't have to buy the DLC. Its not stopping you from playing multiplayer, and they're not holding back a piece of the game. Its skins, a few weapon upgrades, and 10 more levels for you to get to. Its not an integral part of multiplayer, its just a bit extra. As I said, imagine if they had given us Level 50, the 2 new characters etc from launch. Everyone here would storm in and be all "Raaaaaawr! I want DLC! More More More! I'll never buy from 2K again!". Imagine if they got all this, but Blanche and Zigo were still pre-order exclusives. "Raaaaaawr!
Again, DLC isn't necessarily made after the game. This has all likely been planned during the game creation process, so don't be fooled thinking that all companies make DLC afterwards. Therefore, you can't really say its deceitful. Liz has come on here and explained why it had been put on disc. Personally, I'd rather not be separated into "haves" and "have nots". Matchmaking would take much, much longer
As for single player, its going to add to the narrative. Nothing confirmed about it yet, but I'd 99.999999% imagine that we won't be playing as Delta, considering he is dead....
Therefore, this couldn't have fitted into single player. You're not going to be half-way through the game, do some random side mission as Tenenbaum or someone, and switch back to Delta. It HAS to be DLC, it wouldn't work otherwise. So, they're not holding the game back from you at all, in my opinion. Yeah, its on the disc, but its nothing to do with the main single player story. [Obviously it'll be related, but not DIRECTLY to Delta and his path]
Its no different than downloading the full content from Xbox Live...
I'd be quite angry myself if single player DLC was something like an extra level for Delta in the game, a level that fitted perfectly to the storyline, with extra audio diaries for Delta,and just something that SHOULD be there already,that's holding back. But this really isn't
Last edited by Ian; 03-13-2010 at 10:11 PM.
Maybe you prefer the 'battiers not included' example instead thor?
I am doing all i can about this lets see
A: spoke out when the game released and we knew that was happening.
B: asked 2K games to take their game back and refund me because retailers don't honor PC returns here unless the disc is faulty... even if its the game that's faulty. (my complaint is both about the faulty state of multiplayer and the unlock code issue btw)
C: spoke out again when it may have been possible to catch a PR staffers eye.
D: contacted 2K's PR and support department.
Other than a silly threat of legal action i have no way to actually follow through with what else do you suggest?
Taking the pacifist sit back attitude to everything just lets them win, This is why a certain country surrenders every time they're threatened with war... they all just sit back and take it.
*before someone comes back and quotes this, the reference to surrendering is a reference to fiction (ie a book not rl) the country has been attacked twenty times in a hundred years and all the people surrender at the slightest threat of violence*
Last edited by Cyzal; 03-14-2010 at 04:29 AM.
http://www.examiner.com/x-31345-Vide...e-disk-content
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/...-ps3-xbox-360/
Two more, hope they all contact the PR people and give 2k something to think about. 2k can do viral marketing? Well, let's try if we can make our voices heard, too.
Last edited by Mearl; 03-13-2010 at 10:48 PM.
Please, stop the hate, I dont see why you all think this is 2Ks fault, sure they sold DLC that was already on the disc, but if it was up too them it would be free, 2Ks has no controal WHAT SO EVER of the price and distribution of the DLC.
Sony and Microsoft are the ones who price and distribute the DLC, and don't be giveing Microsoft or Sony **** for not making it free, it does cost money to put up the DLC and keep the servers running.
What do you guys think? severs just pay the bills and upgrade by themself?
I really thought that this was common knowledge.
I was wrong.
I don't "get" this. I don't get why people are so spiteful. You have a problem with 2K, you E-mail them or you phone them, or you go into their offices with cake and ask for your problem to be fixed. I don't know where you all get off demanding so much. You can stick a hundred links up on your front page, doomed. Put up as many as you want until you're finally fulfilled. Its not like its going to make a difference. You've made your point, people are discussing it. Job done. No need for link after link after link.
The press are worse for buying into it. They're all running the exact same article, almost word-for-word. They've nothing better to do than go leaching for gaming scandal, and you're as bad for e-mailing them all.
As for you, Mearl, threats aren't doing you any favours
P.S. If it wasn't clear, I HATE the press
How about not locking it in the first place?
Or how about announcing it's a Unlock Code? All this time they kept calling it DLC.
This TRIPE is what I hate. Stupid journalists jumping on a story that they haven't a clue about.If I read this right, it means that they've screwed up multiple ways.
1. They release DLC that isn't DLC but just an unlock code for something you already have (but still have to pay for)
2. They do it this way because they are incapable of doing it otherwise
3. If they WOULD do it differently it would most probably split up the entire userbase between those that did buy the DLC and those that didn't.
Does that qualify as incompetence?
OF COURSE DLC SPLITS UP THE USERBASE, You idiot!
Well, that's funny now. If it was up to 2k, the DLC would be free?
*irony* Not only that! The whole game would be free, because 2k is our best friend. They love us gamers, and that's the only reason why they produce and publish games! Why didn't we realize that before? The only reason why games, especially those published by 2k, cost money at all is because Microsoft and Sony are bad, bad companies. *irony off*
Time to stop dreaming and selling ideas like that as "common knowledge".
Besides some of the trolling comments... There really isn't any "hate" going on. The whole point of this is it being misled by 2K. Simple. And yes... People are up at arms about it with good reason.
Hilarious.
No thanks, I think I'll continue doing so, if it's ok with you.
Hope you sleep well on your pillow of misguided slanderHilarious.
No thanks, I think I'll continue doing so, if it's ok with you.
Feel free to stop reading this thread. I really don't want this thread to lose its focus.
Thanks.
Oh its not losing its focus. I've made my point, waiting for a counter-argumentFeel free to stop reading this thread. I really don't want this thread to lose its focus.
Thanks.
Honestly planning out the DLC is not a problem, it's a great thing. I can think of an amazing example of DLC that being the add on packs for Fallout 3. That is the way DLC SHOULD be done. Unfortunately that isn't the case here. what you are paying for is content that is already on the disc therefore not downloadable. There's a huge difference between what would be considered to be "good DLC" and "a complete rip-off" to those of us that it matters. A key is not good DLC, and having the DLC be 99.9% on the disc is not just a shady practice that many game companies are guilty of, to me it is an outright lie.
We voice our opinions to try and change the business practices. If those opinions fall upon deaf ears we then take our business elsewhere.
This is a good start. Does anyone know an email address for 2K we can voice our concerns to?
It's not going to help our cause at all to argue with you if posting links to the websites that report this, is good, bad, pointless or whatever you think, so yes I think it will lose its focus.
Our problem is this "DLC" and 2K's decisions; it's not me and it's not the press. Again, remember why this thread was created, what was its purpose. I hope you understand.
Last edited by doomed; 03-14-2010 at 12:04 AM.
You don't need to, they're aware of what they're doing. Companies don't make decisions like this lightly. People personalise them, especially as it's a games company, but they're a business pure and simple.
Just because we're aware that 2kLiz's explanation is bs, doesn't mean the general public will notice. Games like Quake were allowing people with different content to play together 15 years ago. You just get a default character model instead of the custom one you haven't got.
This decision will have been made long ago, with the potential anger/bad feeling a necessary sacrifice to the profit they know they'll make. Imagine if 250,000 people buy this content. That's over a million bonus dollars in revenue, they'll take that over a bunch of hardcore complaining forumites any day.
Personally, I think it's desipcable and I wont buy another of their games. I'll buy Bioshock 3 pre-owned, for which 2k won't see a penny. But I'm under no illusions than my actions will be noticed, or I this wasn't a calculated gesture on their part. Our anger was calculated in their business model. Nothing will come of this.
Er....It's not going to help our cause at all to argue with you if posting links to the websites that report this, is good, bad, pointless or whatever you think, so yes I think it will lose its focus.
Our problem is this "DLC" and 2K's decisions; it's not me and it's not the press. Again, remember why this thread was created, what was its purpose. I hope you understand.
If you want to really make your point, then drop all this press rubbish. If yo believe in your argument, you won't need the backing of every desperate gaming website that you E-mailAre you charging for content that was already on the disc of the game we bought? And you're unlocking it now for those that pay extra money?
edit Gaming websites that are already reporting this:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=238826
http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-bio...c-166679.phtml
http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=18089
http://www.videogamer.com/news/first..._the_disc.html
http://www.maxconsole.net/content.ph...lready-on-disc
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/...eady-on-disc/1
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/bi...lready-article
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/37988/2K-s...k-DLC-backlash
http://www.gamedot.co.uk/2010/03/12/...y-on-the-disk/
http://www.xboxic.com/news/5743
http://brutalgamer.com/2010/03/12/bi...y-on-the-disc/
http://thegamingliberty.com/index.ph...ready-on-disc/
http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/12/it-l...y-on-the-disc/
http://www.el33tonline.com/past/2010...ew_bioshock_2/
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/62780
http://www.console-spot.com/2010/03/...ready-on-disc/
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/games...-install-discs
http://kotaku.com/5492303/bioshock-2...s-all-together
http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-490881.aspx
http://www.gofanboy.com/go-fanboy-ne...ady-be-on-disc
http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/2k-game...all-along.html
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archi...y-on-disc.aspx
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178326
http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010...ready-on-disc/
http://www.fragland.net/news/2K-Conf...he-disc/22715/
http://www.examiner.com/x-31345-Vide...e-disk-content
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/...-ps3-xbox-360/
Awesome work guys! Let's make it clear that we are very dissatisfied with 2K's so called "DLC" model.
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