YOU PAID FOR THE RECORD!!! IT WASN'T FREE!Originally Posted by Steinmans_Apprentice
2K has paid for my "silence" with this shiny new Rapture Record LP. Jeaaaaaalous?
This isn't like a small fight this is more like your gf cheating on you with your best friend and then leaving the condom out on the couch and her saying "well if you'd given me five bucks you'd be on the same level as he was."
I was talking about the SiTS promo Rapture LP record 2K sent to me (free of postage I might add), not the Record included in the Bio 2 Special Edition.
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/File:RaptureRecord.jpg
Last edited by Steinmans_Apprentice; 03-13-2010 at 03:26 AM.
Ah my bad. But in the condom reference I was talking about the DRM and the DLC being on the disc.
So we all paid for that record you got, due to us paying for 2k's earnings by buying their games, & having them charge the clueless extra for locked out content.
GG 2K... You have a soldier to fight for you now. lol
Mike I think your talents of denouncing injustices and educating us on proper business ethics are being wasted in this online video game forum. You should take to the streets and begin rallying your fellow man to take down the system and give the "man" a message that you're angry as heck and aren't going to take it anymore. This 24kb video game "DLC" was the moment that changed history for all mankind, when a simple forum poster named Mikewarrior shouted, "No! No more!" and thus the great revolution began.
Mike has long since passed away, but we all can thank him for the future we live in when video game DLC's are not only awesome, but free of charge. Thank you Mike for making this a better world to live in. Thank you.
I try... Wait I'm not dead. :|
you have to be in order to become a martyr...
Well, when you do pass, I'll be sure to make sure they name an elementary school after you.
You know why is the DLC 24kb only? What, can't you think of a reason alone? It is as easy as buying the game itself from Steam.
It saves you time, Instead of downloading a very large file, like several hundreds of Mega Bytes or Giga Bytes, which takes A LOT more time, you only need to download a VERY SMALL file (24KB), and you can instantly play.
If 2K would say that the content is already inside the game, it would have been hacked and 2K would have lost money.
You don't like the idea of DLCs? I got an idea for you:
DON'T ****ING BUY IT.
Actually, I have another idea:
DON'T ****ING BUY IT AND THEN COMPLAIN. JUST THINK A BIT FORWARD.
Thanks in advance,
A pissed off person who can think for his own.
Here we go... Before this gets locked I'd just like to stress all this is over being misinformed regarding the "DLC" content. When I purchase DLC I expect to download something with some meat to it. OR if it's already on the disk just make it free to people who bought the game new.
Nah...I'd rather just not support 2K any longer.you have to be in order to become a martyr...
Seriously? You are thanking them for ripping you off? That isn't DLC again it's a keyfile to unlock what was already on the disc. IT WAS THERE ALL ALONG. I swear some people's sheep children...
Last edited by Rebelphoenix; 03-13-2010 at 03:42 AM.
And that's totally fair. I agree.
Simple,
Another lost sale. I am happy playing BioShock2 for what the standard game contains. I will not pay extra to play something I have already purchased.
I have been looking forward to the DLC release. I keep all disc based games I have completed when I purchase DLC. I am not going to resale my disc when I purchase DLC as I do not get actual value from my original purchase if I spend additional money with DLC. However, I feel robbed from 2k for trying to charge me for content I have already purchased.
After discovering the DLC is really "unlock" content, I will refuse to purchase the activation key. I plan to sell my BioShock2 game as I have already finished the game and refuse to purchase the add-on.
2K, more revenue loss for you as you will not make profit on resale of games.
Get your "like new" BioShock2 from Craigslist now... Save yourself some $$, and give me the revenue!
I hope that on monday it becomes a free download and they refund everyone's points/money. That would show that 2k had some grapefuits.
I like & agree... For every action there is something. lol
Last edited by Mikewarrior; 03-13-2010 at 03:46 AM.
This is just such a passionate topic... I just don't see how somebody @ 2K would let this fly is beyond me.
I hate quoting myself. But it's needed.
Read my comment again, and you will all understand... It solves everything. Really. Can't you see it?
Anyone find this funny - Christoph Hartmann, president of 2K. “Downloadable content is a key part of our efforts to continue to entice the fans that have made 2K a household name – we intend to deliver single and multiplayer content that respects and expands upon one of the greatest fictional worlds ever created.”
Hidden message?
I bet they were all laughing about that one. :| It just pisses me off more!
2K Elizabeth if you really believe what you have been told to say and you really want to support us gamers (the ones buying your products, the ones that may avoid them in the future)
You'll tell whomever is in charge to make this content free and Refund the points of those that had good faith in you and paid points for your unlock key and paid £30-45 for your product.
Other developers have had the userbase splitting issue and you know what they did? They released what they put on the disc for free!
I know this post is slightly rantish but i am deeply offended by this.. its pure greed, Before multiplayer was even fixed 2K had the insane notion they'd announce DLC they'd pre-planned to gouge us with.
This is just plain wrong, Go with the right choice treat us with the respect we deserve. The respect we gave you by buying your game rather than just downloading your work.
Last edited by Cyzal; 03-13-2010 at 03:53 AM.
MIKE!
Read my comment ffs.
No, it's dumb.
The content was withheld from everyone on purpose for for the screw job.
This is not about 2K saving us download time... That's moronic. It's all about them making money off deception.
Mike.
You say it's greedy? Then why'd you buy it in the first place? Why didn't you go with your principles?
0wn3d?
I didn't buy it... How do you feel about yourself now?
Yet I still didn't get all the content that was shown to me by 2K videos before I bought the game, then to find out it's not there unless I pay more.
To defend their actions, doesn't make you wise.
One thing's for sure, you can bet 2k didnt expect this amount of backlash. Personally im taking the stance that Bioshock 2 didnt happen, after giving up on the patch, fov fix, and now this.
Nice to see websites picking up the story too.
Well, on the bright side. There are still people like Valve about.
Okay, one last post on this thread.
I DO NOT agree with the decision to purposefully hold back content that was fully developed when the game shipped in order to sell it back to us. ESPECIALLY content that was shown in preview footage. It is underhanded and just disrespectful to the consumer. And to actually put it on the disc feels like a slap in the face. The point of DLC is to further the game PAST its initial development (the game that was shipped). For someone to claim that part of the fully developed game is DLC is to say that that DLC is an effort to further the game past its initial development, which is a lie.
HOWEVER, I feel that we should not direct our nerd-rage at Liz for doing her job. She didn't make this decision. And she told us what she was allowed to tell us.
That is all I have to say.
The only logical excuse I can see for 2K out of this mess now is, since the game's release was pushed back so much, certain aspects of the DLC were finished early so they decided to just tag it on to the disc for reasons already given.
To have that information already on the disc is not only a slap in the face for reasons already pointed out, but that takes up more space on the disc when I'm of the opinion that these games should be taking up multiple discs as HDDs do not confine us to the size of a DVD. Playing an online game pretty much requires a good internet speed, so downloading any size DLC should be no problem.
I'm also frustrated that everyone had to wait over a month when it was already finished. If this is the same for SP then give us the story as intended already please. I hold a special place in my heart for the entire Shock series but the glaring glitches and the bad business practices have me shocked now more than ever before.
Last edited by Virtues; 03-13-2010 at 04:41 AM.
This is exactly how I feel...
Guess it makes my decision about future 2K Games.
And to think I just beat Borderlands. Guess I won't be buying ANY more 2K Games. I will boycott this company for good now. Good thing I was waiting on GOW3 before buying BioShock 2. Guess I'll buy something besides BS2.
Thanks for screwing your fans/customers.
You just lost future sales that would've came from me. As and Borderlands 2 was on my list as well.
2k you probably don't care about what I have to say, but based on this scam I'm very against ever purchasing one of your products again. I'm actually looking forward to trading in my copy in order to get back the money I stupidly dropped on this game.
Bad MP experience, I mean how can you even compare it to say BF:BC2. They absolutely blew you out of the water in every way. Also when you purchase a copy of the game, you get access to FREE DLC, maybe you guys should have taken this route but wait, your not giving us DLC, its ULC, so i guess if you want to be scummy, well be that way. I'm glad you guys don't sell cars, cause I'm pretty sure you would charge to unlock better MPG, or even horsepower.
I'm pretty positive the SP was waaayy too short, I'm pretty sure I put about 100 hours into such games as Fallout 3 and others.
Uncharted 2 was very dependent on their SP, and it lived up to its hype, and its MP component was great as well.
Well you guys screwed up the PC game, had GFWL, terrible DRM, a laggy crappy MP, a short SP, and now this crap of unlocking stuff that's already finished and on the disk. I mean a 24KB unlock at 5 dollars that price for that little is absolutely pathetic to charge your customers for.
You have lost my business.
Ok everybody. We all have established that we are pissed off and that we are upset with this situation. 2k is probably reading alot of this thread and they do hear our complaints. What we need to do now is take action. I'm not talking about a failed attempt at boycotting or starting some pointless online petition or anything like that. Threatenting 2k by saying that you won't buy there games or your telling other people about this won't do a damn thing, unless we do it together which will never happen because we don't represent enough of their overall consumer base.
We need to attempt to take legal action. There are lawyers who would love to pounce on this. This isn't just for videogames, but for all markets and all products that are sold to the consumer. This is a moral, ethical, and possibly legal issue. I live in America, and I don't know any of the consumer protection laws, but I'm sure that there is something that applies to this. 2k has many lawyers and is obviously using some loop-hole to shaft the customer and they think that they can get away with it because no one will make a fuss.
We should make a fuss. First thing to do, is to contact someone who knows the legal system. Lawyers, maybe even our state senators and representatives in the federal governement, also state attorney generals. Particularly someone who is familiar with the videogame industry and the laws of our free-economies. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that there is some kind of law that would conflict with what 2k is doing. I may not personally spend my money to go after 2k if possible, but if we can get a movement going then we could prevent cheap tricks like this from happening again. We need to find out if there are any type of laws or rules against this kind of business tactic. We should do some research.
Last edited by Gameplayer03; 03-13-2010 at 04:50 AM.
I'm always curious when people cry boycott. I'm curious as to the percent of those people that actually follow through. When 2K comes out with another game in a series that you like, if it looks good, are you really not going to buy it? Are you really going to boycott 2K product from now until the end of time?Guess it makes my decision about future 2K Games.
And to think I just beat Borderlands. Guess I won't be buying ANY more 2K Games. I will boycott this company for good now. Good thing I was waiting on GOW3 before buying BioShock 2. Guess I'll buy something besides BS2.
Thanks for screwing your fans/customers.
You just lost future sales that would've came from me. As and Borderlands 2 was on my list as well.
If we don't speak with our wallets the next thing you know you'll get a standard ending for single player but if you want the extended ending thats on the disc you will have to pay extra.
The only way to stop the bull**** from becoming standard practice is to not accept it. Don't buy any ULC or DLC for Bioshock 2.
You cant do anything, EULAs cover it all. All you can do is vote with your wallet. 2k have lost a load of good faith with their actions, once bitten twice shy. Just take your money to better companies and games. Once the dust has settled they might realise...but too late.
Ok everybody. We all have established that we are pissed off and that we are upset with this situation. 2k is probably reading alot of this thread and they do hear our complaints. What we need to do now is take action. I'm not talking about a failed attempt at boycotting or starting some pointless online petition or anything like that. Threatenting 2k by saying that you won't buy there games or your telling other people about this won't do a damn thing, unless we do it together which will never happen because we don't represent enough of their overall consumer base.
We need to attempt to take legal action. There are lawyers who would love to pounce on this. This isn't just for videogames, but for all markets and all products that are sold to the consumer. This is a moral, ethical, and possibly legal issue. I live in America, and I don't know any of the consumer protection laws, but I'm sure that there is something that applies to this. 2k has many lawyers and is obviously using some loop-hole to shaft the customer and they think that they can get away with it because no one will make a fuss.
We should make a fuss. First thing to do, is to contact someone who knows the legal system. Lawyers, maybe even our state senators and representatives in the federal governement, also state attorney generals. Particularly someone who is familiar with the videogame industry and the laws of our free-economies. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that there is some kind of law that would conflict with what 2k is doing. I may not personally spend my money to go after 2k if possible, but if we can get a movement going then we could prevent cheap tricks like this from happening again. We need to find out if there are any type of laws or rules against this kind of business tactic. We should do some research.
Honest, I really won't buy anymore 2k products. There's tons of other games out there.
My issue isn't with Elizibeth and i made that clear in my post (what you've been told to say/tell whomever is in charge to make the changes).
I agree with you but it may be in her job description to read these posts and pass these things on, This is why i directly addressed Elizibeth because from past experiences interactions with the PR persons has had a direct impact on where the company headed next.
this was 2Ks response and its bull **** by the top of the line bull **** if i ever saw it... Ill give you my reason first.... they use UNREAL engine to make the game.... UNREAL tournament Releases down-loadable content all the friggen time with no player separation ever,,, you download what you need when the content becomes available. I CALL BULL!
"The way our engine and game structure works is that people need to have the exact same content for people to play together. One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible. For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base - so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends.
I know some of you have strong beliefs about DLC, and I'm not here to sway your opinion or convince you to buy our stuff - if you like what we're offering, I hope you get it and enjoy it. If it's not your speed, enjoy BioShock 2 as we released it.
I want to let you know that DLC is not interfering with our patching capabilities, which are a top priority and are still being actively worked on. We're committed to supporting you and making BioShock 2 the best experience possible."
Now someone prove me wrong....
Last edited by slashere; 03-13-2010 at 05:01 AM.
I registered just for this.
I don't really care how you want to spin it, you're charging people for to play something they've already paid for on teh disk. The DLC is done, finished, shipped, on the bloody disk, and you're charging money for people to unlock it. THat is absolute bull****. I don't care about your nonsense of dividing the player base or whatever waffle it was, this is a goddamn scam. It would be akin to buying a new car, then 2 months later being charged an extra thousand pounds to open the windows.
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