Major Plot Mistake???

[Armed Politic]

Ok, I was playing Bioshock 2 earlier today and I noticed something that made me question the games plot. Throughout the storyline Bioshock characters and audio diaries reveal to you why there are splicers and why they are... well spliced.

I might be mistaken but the splicers insanity and derangement is caused by plasmids. In fact I think Atlas(Fontaine) says this at the beginning of Bioshock 1, ("Plasmids changed everything, they destroyed...")

Anyway, to the point. If plasmids corrupted the minds of most citizens of Rapture then why do splicers not have plasmids?

I am aware that there were probably other factors that contributed to the corruption of the people. Like violence and chaos but still... how come they don't have plasmids?

[BioShockLvr]

Because plasmids aren't the only things that changed people. You're forgetting about the wide array of Gene Tonics used. Also, some splicers do have plasmids and do use them against you. The other you can assume just spliced up with various Tonics.

EDIT: Just as examples, some Tonics could increase sexual performance, make you run faster, make you stronger, etc.

[PoeticMadnesss]

They may not have plasmids, but they sure as hell have tonics.

Basically, any form of ADAM that is inside the body will make an individual mentally unstable once they're not getting more and more of it. I'm exhausted, and if this doesn't help with an explanation, I'll try and make a longer one if need be. xD

[Codex]

Tonics are made of ADAM, the same as plasmids.

Its not a verbose explanation, but it is the most sensible one.

[Armed Politic]

Because plasmids aren't the only things that changed people. You're forgetting about the wide array of Gene Tonics used. Also, some splicers do have plasmids and do use them against you. The other you can assume just spliced up with various Tonics.

EDIT: Just as examples, some Tonics could increase sexual performance, make you run faster, make you stronger, etc.

Ok, mistake by me. I did forget about the smaller and earlier released tonics and I agree with you. But still, many splicers should be using plasmids. It just makes sense. Other than the Houdini plasmid I don't recall splicers using any plasmids. Enlighten me if I'm wrong.

[BioShockLvr]

Ok, mistake by me. I did forget about the smaller and earlier released tonics and I agree with you. But still, many splicers should be using plasmids. It just makes sense. Other than the Houdini plasmid I don't recall splicers using any plasmids. Enlighten me if I'm wrong.

Yea, some houdini splicers use incinerate and winter blast. I think that's about it though, they kind of cut back on those.

[PoeticMadnesss]

My own personal explanation that I go along with is that if you have active plasmids, you're going to need EVE.

Which would you choose:

Offensive attacks that could potentially run out of EVE in a moments notice
-or-
Defensive tonics that don't need to be recharged and aren't actively used?

[GreenMind]

houdini's are the only ones that use plasmids i think. but yeah, splicers do have tonics. for example, in the first Bioshock, towards the end of the game some have the electric flesh tonic because electro bolt doesn't affect them. but i have wondered why splicers dont use plasmids either, it's probably because if all those splicers had plasmid powers, the game might be impossible or really close to impossible

[fang_xiii]

theres also that one splicer that cohen sends you to assassinate that uses winter blast a whole lot

[BioShockLvr]

theres also that one splicer that cohen sends you to assassinate that uses winter blast a whole lot

Yea, Martin Finnegan was one of Cohen's enemies who Jack ended up killing. He was also a Houdini Splicer that used Winter Blast (as stated before, lol).

[Gameplayer03]

I think that most of them don't use plasmids because they can't find any EVE!! At least, that was my take on it.

[ShiftyMoccasins]

I think that most of them don't use plasmids because they can't find any EVE!! At least, that was my take on it.

If they have trouble finding EVE, the splicing must have greatly affected their vision

But this has always been a big question of mine. Even considering just using tonics/every day tonics and then things like getting surgery and stuff....I always figured...you would think the way things went in Rapture, there would be alot of splicers with offensive plasmids, like Houdinis.

[Raining Light]

Is it possible that over time you loose the actual ability from the plasmid and just end up deformed? or mutated.

[auditdirox]

some splicers use palsmids (hudinis and i think thuggish) and some have to use tonics (spiders, brutes) i think most dont use them cause they dont have plasmids(lot of adam for a regular splicer)

[PoeticMadnesss]

Also think that if you have one houdini splicer, up against three thuggish splicers, the thuggish splicers know that the houdini have more ADAM, so they would team up against the houdini's and kill them all. xD

[adam&eve]

Also think that if you have one houdini splicer, up against three thuggish splicers, the thuggish splicers know that the houdini have more ADAM, so they would team up against the houdini's and kill them all. xD

but the houdini's rock lol

[Don A K Bab]

I had an idea, maybe most of the offensive plasmid users were wiped out during the war and the houdini splicers were able to get away because of their ability to evade and hide from danger.

Obviously individuals could try and get some more from the gatherers gardens but,

a) They cost a lot more ADAM than tonics and since splicers have to take on Big Daddies in packs there wouldn't be enough ADAM left for an offensive plasmid after splitting it between everyone. After the war ADAM's no longer being mass produced and is only available by harvesting little sisters, ever notice that the sisters don't try and harvest from splicers you've killed, they only go for the most ADAM rich bodies which are probably (in B1 at least) wartime corpses which are pumped full of ADAM from when it was plentiful or.......

b) Having those kind of plasmids might make them a prime target for other groups of splicers. There seems to be some kind of unspoken accord between them that they can only splice up in certain ways and to certain extents in order to be part of a group. If any were to break this rule it would set them apart from the rest and this could be reason enough for everyone else to turn on them. ADAM can be assumed to be like any drug, the more you use then the more you need and there's simply not enough to go around, so it's either make do with less as part of a group or lone wolf it like Jack. My guess would be all the other lone wolves were killed by other splicers or by a BD after trying to score more ADAM.

[Phil Isadore]

Yea I think that there were a lot of tonics for everything from telekenisis to hair growth. So some splicers don't have plasmids because they didn't splice up with them. What I don't undrstand is how ADAM was used for surgery?

[PoeticMadnesss]

Yea I think that there were a lot of tonics for everything from telekenisis to hair growth. So some splicers don't have plasmids because they didn't splice up with them. What I don't undrstand is how ADAM was used for surgery?

Probably the same way as Botox. Just inject it into the surgical site to make the tissue more malleable, and just "sculpt and sculpt until the job is done."

[PoeticMadnesss]

b) Having those kind of plasmids might make them a prime target for other groups of splicers. There seems to be some kind of unspoken accord between them that they can only splice up in certain ways and to certain extents in order to be part of a group. If any were to break this rule it would set them apart from the rest and this could be reason enough for everyone else to turn on them. ADAM can be assumed to be like any drug, the more you use then the more you need and there's simply not enough to go around, so it's either make do with less as part of a group or lone wolf it like Jack. My guess would be all the other lone wolves were killed by other splicers or by a BD after trying to score more ADAM.

Pretty dead on, I think. Further support for this thoery is how a LARGE amount of the Brute Splicers in the game were fighting off other splicers at various times. Mostly in Pauper's Drop was this seen. Hell, as soon as you enter Pauper's Drop, you can see a brute and normal splicer fighting, if I'm correct.

[psikoticsilver]

It is still an error though, since plasmids ARE NOT tonics.

[PoeticMadnesss]

It is still an error though, since plasmids ARE NOT tonics.

It's just a technicality regarding the word usage of a character. The general idea is still the same.

[Virtues]

I don't think Atlas refers to their usage of plasmids, just ADAM. And yeah they most definitely use tonics, some of them are immune to Electro-Bolt, and the Brute splicers prove that. I'm sure that we will see enemies using plasmids on us if there is ever a BS3. After all people are getting used to it in MP already...

[Ga1Friday]

Ok, I was playing Bioshock 2 earlier today and I noticed something that made me question the games plot. Throughout the storyline Bioshock characters and audio diaries reveal to you why there are splicers and why they are... well spliced.

I might be mistaken but the splicers insanity and derangement is caused by plasmids. In fact I think Atlas(Fontaine) says this at the beginning of Bioshock 1, ("Plasmids changed everything, they destroyed...")

Anyway, to the point. If plasmids corrupted the minds of most citizens of Rapture then why do splicers not have plasmids?

I am aware that there were probably other factors that contributed to the corruption of the people. Like violence and chaos but still... how come they don't have plasmids?

Maybe they are too deranged to search out or buy EVE? Wihtout EVE they could not use their plasmids. Also the Houdini Splicers use plasmids.

[Gameplayer03]

Maybe they're too spliced out to get even know they need EVE!! No but seriously though, my true theory of why splicers can't us plasmids is below.

Maybe, it's like a heroin user. After a long period of heroin use, the user does not take it to get high, just to feel normal. Because the tolerance for heroin builds up extremely fast, the user must use more and more each time they take it to get the same effect. After a while, they cannot get high like they used to, they reach their peak and if they did anymore they would overdose, the brain can only handle so many endorphins floading the receptors at once, the user can go into an opiate coma and die. Long time heroin users take the drug to just get rid of their withdrawals and so they can function. Perhaps this is true for splicers as well?

Maybe the splicers have been splicing ADAM for so long that it requires a ton of ADAM/EVE to use their nifty powers. Maybe they just seek Adam to feel good/normal so their anxiety is taken away and their psychotic minds feel normal. After all, Adam and Eve is injected into the blood stream, same with heroin/morphine. The first time they inject themselves, their bodies aren't ready for it and they convulge. The same is true for heroin. Once the brain (also DNA in Adams case) is exposed to the new substance it begins to crave more and builds up a tolerance.

Obviously, the splicers DO withdrawal (hence risking their lives to get the Adam), so there must be very negative effects on them when they don't have it for a certain amount of time. That's probably why most of them cannot use plasmids, their tolerance is so high that it would require an overdosing dose of Eve/Adam to be able to use plasmids. They just seek out Adam to take away their pain they experience from not having it.

[Raining Light]

Maybe they're too spliced out to get even know they need EVE!! No but seriously though, my true theory of why splicers can't us plasmids is below.

Maybe, it's like a heroin user. After a long period of heroin use, the user does not take it to get high, just to feel normal. Because the tolerance for heroin builds up extremely fast, the user must use more and more each time they take it to get the same effect. After a while, they cannot get high like they used to, they reach their peak and if they did anymore they would overdose, the brain can only handle so many endorphins floading the receptors at once, the user can go into an opiate coma and die. Long time heroin users take the drug to just get rid of their withdrawals and so they can function. Perhaps this is true for splicers as well?

Maybe the splicers have been splicing ADAM for so long that it requires a ton of ADAM/EVE to use their nifty powers. Maybe they just seek Adam to feel good/normal so their anxiety is taken away and their psychotic minds feel normal. After all, Adam and Eve is injected into the blood stream, same with heroin/morphine. The first time they inject themselves, their bodies aren't ready for it and they convulge. The same is true for heroin. Once the brain (also DNA in Adams case) is exposed to the new substance it begins to crave more and builds up a tolerance.

Obviously, the splicers DO withdrawal (hence risking their lives to get the Adam), so there must be very negative effects on them when they don't have it for a certain amount of time. That's probably why most of them cannot use plasmids, their tolerance is so high that it would require an overdosing dose of Eve/Adam to be able to use plasmids. They just seek out Adam to take away their pain they experience from not having it.

Now that sounds logical.
Very good thought there, makes sense too.
I think I will go with this,lol.

[Armed Politic]

Maybe they're too spliced out to get even know they need EVE!! No but seriously though, my true theory of why splicers can't us plasmids is below.

Maybe, it's like a heroin user. After a long period of heroin use, the user does not take it to get high, just to feel normal. Because the tolerance for heroin builds up extremely fast, the user must use more and more each time they take it to get the same effect. After a while, they cannot get high like they used to, they reach their peak and if they did anymore they would overdose, the brain can only handle so many endorphins floading the receptors at once, the user can go into an opiate coma and die. Long time heroin users take the drug to just get rid of their withdrawals and so they can function. Perhaps this is true for splicers as well?

Maybe the splicers have been splicing ADAM for so long that it requires a ton of ADAM/EVE to use their nifty powers. Maybe they just seek Adam to feel good/normal so their anxiety is taken away and their psychotic minds feel normal. After all, Adam and Eve is injected into the blood stream, same with heroin/morphine. The first time they inject themselves, their bodies aren't ready for it and they convulge. The same is true for heroin. Once the brain (also DNA in Adams case) is exposed to the new substance it begins to crave more and builds up a tolerance.

Obviously, the splicers DO withdrawal (hence risking their lives to get the Adam), so there must be very negative effects on them when they don't have it for a certain amount of time. That's probably why most of them cannot use plasmids, their tolerance is so high that it would require an overdosing dose of Eve/Adam to be able to use plasmids. They just seek out Adam to take away their pain they experience from not having it.

Wow, you put a lot of thought into that response. It makes a lot of sense too. I like it.

[Glasgow]

The way I see it, withdrawal from plasmids and or tonics is like withdrawal from heroin. You change, you completely go crazy and are dead set on getting more. So, I believe splicers are adicts who abused using plasmids and tonics and after the civil war it became harder and harder to to get ADAM so they weren't able to get their fix and just lost it and all they want is more of the ADAM.

EDIT: I probably should've read this whole thread before because someone else explained it a lot better than me. Sorry, haha.