Subject delta removing helmet???

[Zvriel Chkies]

The vita chanbers work by ressurecting you in the nearest one to you. And Delta died in Adonis Luxury Resort. So he ressurected in Adonis Luxury Resort.
That is why he starts there.

That and making him ressurect right outside Eleanors cell with a drill with half fuel and not strong enough for the bigger foes in a place were Sofia Lamb might be is not a good idea. Not that Eleanor could not do that. She is a genius after all.

She sends the plasmids to help him evolve and get stronger till he can face Sofia.

[hatrox]

The vita chanbers work by ressurecting you in the nearest one to you. And Delta died in Adonis Luxury Resort. So he ressurected in Adonis Luxury Resort.
That is why he starts there.

Eleanor used a genetic sample, which she (somehow?) put in the Vita-Chamber. Doesn't that mean he could be resurrected anywhere, using this genetic sample? Doesn't that mean if she reused it, she would practically be able to clone Delta? Doesn't that mean through genetic sampling EVERYBODY can be resurrected, free of ADAM in their body? How did this Vita-Chamber recreate Delta's suit, if it only had a genetic sample to "work on"? And if a Vita-Chamber can resurrect you only using a genetic sample, where does the quantum entanglement come in place? Now I'm being an a**....so many questions...

[Zvriel Chkies]

Eleanor used a genetic sample, which she (somehow?) put in the Vita-Chamber. Doesn't that mean he could be resurrected anywhere, using this genetic sample? Doesn't that mean if she reused it, she would practically be able to clone Delta? Doesn't that mean through genetic sampling EVERYBODY can be resurrected, free of ADAM in their body? How did this Vita-Chamber recreate Delta's suit, if it only had a genetic sample to "work on"? And if a Vita-Chamber can resurrect you only using a genetic sample, where does the quantum entanglement come in place? Now I'm being an a**....so many questions...

The vita chambers must record you as you pass. You activate them when you walk up to them.
They ressurect you as you were before death. That is were the quantum entanglement comes in. It records you exactly as you were.
You die you ressurect in the nearest vita chamber.

So unless you were willing to rig them to ressurect someone in a place other than they were they ressurect the person in the nearest one.
The LS ' put Deltas genetic samples in dolls she had them put them into the vita chamber.
The vita chambers were meant for everyone but Andrew Ryan had then tuned to his signiture.
Then I presume the civil war broke out and they got put on hold.
But there are signs about advertising them.
You would think everyone would use them. Or at least some. Some must have figured out how to use them.

[DrS]

Could someone possibly post a picture of the torn Alpha series suits with the muscles/flesh etc. exposed- I'm fascinated!

[Would You Kindly?]

Could someone possibly post a picture of the torn Alpha series suits with the muscles/flesh etc. exposed- I'm fascinated!

I can show you how to apply that to yourself? Well me and with a bit of help from go'ol' Steinmann.

But yea I would love to see an animation of a Big Daddy production as well!

[goldhammer]

I wonder what he looks like underneath the helmet and suit.
Maybe a butch normal human, or spliced up and ugly like a brute.

[Phil Isadore]

I'm confused when you die does your body physically go to the vita chamber? Or does it disapper and you get a new one

[Would You Kindly?]

I'm confused when you die does your body physically go to the vita chamber? Or does it disapper and you get a new one

I always thought the vita chamber restores you with a tiny portion of blood, DNA or whatever and re-creates you up to the last time you visit it, past it. Apperently it magically gives you a new suit, ammo and weapons as well. Since daddies are all spliced up it's possible to revive the big daddy although it should do without the suit. So you would be nothing more then a smokking pool of organs and meat ala monkey-turned-inside-out-as-in-THE-FLY-movie. But I'm proberly wrong...

[Vonderbach]

It's magic. That's the only explantion.

[Zvriel Chkies]

Could someone possibly post a picture of the torn Alpha series suits with the muscles/flesh etc. exposed- I'm fascinated!

The only place I have seen it is the starategy guide. And I think scanning that into the pc to show the picture is illigal.

[AK Downfall]

Delta isnt graphed to his suit. Thats why when you get hit by surges of water like in Siren Alley you get that bobble affect.

[Would You Kindly?]

Delta isnt graphed to his suit. Thats why when you get hit by surges of water like in Siren Alley you get that bobble affect.

I havn't found out anywhere that Delta is or the alpha series are actually that differant then the other Big Daddies, but I could be wrong.

[Ga1Friday]

Delta isnt graphed to his suit. Thats why when you get hit by surges of water like in Siren Alley you get that bobble affect.

Wouldn't he have to be? If the paternal bonding was invented by Gil after Suchong's death and Suchong left audio diaries saying that Big Daddies were grafted into their suits then Delta (being created after Suchong's death) would have undergone the same grafting process as anyone else, wouldn't he?

[AK Downfall]

Wouldn't he have to be? If the paternal bonding was invented by Gil after Suchong's death and Suchong left audio diaries saying that Big Daddies were grafted into their suits then Delta (being created after Suchong's death) would have undergone the same grafting process as anyone else, wouldn't he?

Think about it. If his skin was graphed to the suit he wouldnt be able to take it off. And if you notice in the beginning air pressure comes out of the suit when he unlocks it so that means theres some space in there.

[Ga1Friday]

Think about it. If his skin was graphed to the suit he wouldnt be able to take it off. And if you notice in the beginning air pressure comes out of the suit when he unlocks it so that means theres some space in there.

We are thinking about it, that is why we are confused. He should have been grafted, but he wasn't. Isn't that the debate?

[AK Downfall]

We are thinking about it, that is why we are confused. He should have been grafted, but he wasn't. Isn't that the debate?

IDK the first page asks if he was or wasnt. And i know that he isnt cause all the facts are there in the game.

-He can take off his helmet
-Air comes out when he does
-His helmet wouldnt get that toggle effect when blasted by tons of water like in Siren Alley if he was graphed.

[Ga1Friday]

IDK the first page asks if he was or wasnt. And i know that he isnt cause all the facts are there in the game.

-He can take off his helmet
-Air comes out when he does
-His helmet wouldnt get that toggle effect when blasted by tons of water like in Siren Alley if he was graphed.

Ah, I misunderstood the question. I agree with you Delta is, for whatever reason, not grafted into his suit.

[AK Downfall]

Ah, I misunderstood the question. I agree with you Delta is, for whatever reason, not grafted into his suit.

IDK really what i am saying. I think the thread was just made to ask the simple question how can Delta take his helmet off.

Then nonsence broke free and idk what this thread is about now? im just as confused.

[ShiftyMoccasins]

Wouldn't he have to be? If the paternal bonding was invented by Gil after Suchong's death and Suchong left audio diaries saying that Big Daddies were grafted into their suits then Delta (being created after Suchong's death) would have undergone the same grafting process as anyone else, wouldn't he?

As far as the timeline there goes, wasn't Suchong working on the mainstream Big Daddies that we know and love that would be compatible with every little sister? Whereas the Alpha series were only capable of being bonded to a single Little Sister. I don't know D:

If it's one thing Bioshock 2 did, it made the timeline a headache to understand >.<

[danmatrix]

When you are about to enter water areas you can see many Rosie helmets and suits hanging up on the walls or laying on the floor. So my guess is that maybe a sort of maintenence crew took care of the Big Daddys before they walked out to Repair leaks. For example if the helmet was torn or dented then they could replace it with a new one before the walked out. I mean why else would the y have 10 Rosie suits just laying around?

In Ryan Amusements they show when Rapture was being built the divers wore those "Rosie" suits which were actually diving suits. The Rosie Big Daddys just have a suit of similar design since the Rosies are maintance workers and protectors it makes sense.

[Phil Isadore]

I think we need JT to answer the Delta being grafted question

[Zvriel Chkies]

I noticed today that the Alphas have skin showing were the suits are torn in the game.
So they must not be grafted in by the skin.
But they would have to be grafted in by mechanics and cybernetics to combine them with the suit.
So the suits would never come off. So they would be altered to never drink, eat or sleep.
Maybe the drinking and eating is optional in extreme circumstances.

[drewdewd]

Then why didn't she use the vita chamber right outside her cell?

Because Vita-Chambers revive you at the nearest one to where you died.

[manicone]

Delta is a prototype and he can take off his helmet. If anybody asks stupid questions like "why doesn't he take it off when he eats?" its because game play wise it makes the most sense.

[drewdewd]

Delta is a prototype and he can take off his helmet. If anybody asks stupid questions like "why doesn't he take it off when he eats?" its because game play wise it makes the most sense.

I had a dog.

And his name was Bingo.

[bugcatcherjason]

I have a question:
When you pause and go to the "options" section (where you customize the volume and such), there is an option that reads: Helmet - On/Off.

Does this really work? Better yet, what is it for?
I tried it on the "off" mode once and when I looked at Delta's shadow, he looked the same as he did with his helmet on.

[drewdewd]

I have a question:
When you pause and go to the "options" section (where you customize the volume and such), there is an option that reads: Helmet - On/Off.

Does this really work? Better yet, what is it for?
I tried it on the "off" mode once and when I looked at Delta's shadow, he looked the same as he did with his helmet on.

If you check out Delta's peripheral vision, you can see the edges of his helmet. When you're underwater, you can REALLY see it. All "helmet- on/off" does is toggle whether you can see the edges of his helmet onscreen or not. I personally like it. It makes him seem more Big Daddy-like.

[silverBOULTON]

all big daddy's have a goo in side there helmet that controls them its green when norm and go's red when there mad and try to kill you delta did not have this mind control goo that's why he can think for him self so only delta can take his helmet off

[Vonderbach]

all big daddy's have a goo in side there helmet that controls them its green when norm and go's red when there mad and try to kill you delta did not have this mind control goo that's why he can think for him self so only delta can take his helmet off

I hope you're kidding.

[silverBOULTON]

I hope you're kidding.

no it says it in the art book you get with the boxs set of bioshock 2 have a look its on the page about the big daddy's if you get your hands on ones

[Vonderbach]

no it says it in the art book you get with the boxs set of bioshock 2 have a look its on the page about the big daddy's if you get your hands on ones

I have one, but I never read that. Wow, I learned something new.

[silverBOULTON]

Quote form a member of 2k taken form the bioshock 2 art book
"Regular big daddies have this mind control goop, so when they're passive
it glows a yellowish-green and when they get angry, it glows red.
the idea we had is that player daddy's mind control goop has been drained so the other big daddies are more drone like almost zombies but this guy is more spry jumping around thinking for himself"
that's why i think it makes sense that only delta can take his helmet off

[bugcatcherjason]

If you check out Delta's peripheral vision, you can see the edges of his helmet. When you're underwater, you can REALLY see it. All "helmet- on/off" does is toggle whether you can see the edges of his helmet onscreen or not. I personally like it. It makes him seem more Big Daddy-like.

Ahh, I see. I never noticed that. Thanks.

[Houdini Splicer]

Well I think we can safely say the Alpha series simply weren't grafted in, which makes alot of sense when we think about how quickly Sinclair and Mark were turned into them. Abit of mental conditioning here and there, a suit and they were good to go really.

Also I'm pretty sure Delta didn't rip all his hair and face off when he removed his helmet, would of made one hell of a mess.

[The ADAM Reaper]

What exactly is being 'grafted' into the suit?

[Houdini Splicer]

What exactly is being 'grafted' into the suit?

They use a huge amount of heat to melt your skin and flesh, and then the metal so it's soft, almost like a liquid. When it finally cools the metal and your flesh are bound together.

[The ADAM Reaper]

They use a huge amount of heat to melt your skin and flesh, and then the metal so it's soft, almost like a liquid. When it finally cools the metal and your flesh are bound together.

...ouch ...

[Houdini Splicer]

...ouch ...

Yep, not very nice.

[Doctor Tivilon]

Well I think we can safely say the Alpha series simply weren't grafted in, which makes alot of sense when we think about how quickly Sinclair and Mark were turned into them. Abit of mental conditioning here and there, a suit and they were good to go really.

Also I'm pretty sure Delta didn't rip all his hair and face off when he removed his helmet, would of made one hell of a mess.

Meltzer was a Rumbler, my friend.

[The ADAM Reaper]

Meltzer was a Rumbler, my friend.

hmmm good point. The alpha series is still probably a quicker operation though. I wonder how long it does take for the other big daddies to be grafted in...seeing at Metzler was done so in a 'some what quick' manner.