I'm very happy to know that Civilization V is coming.
As far as I know, 18 civilizations will be implemented into the game...
Wich are the chosen ones?
BTW it would be great to know who are going to be the leaders of each civilization...
Is Spain Included? I hope so!
Thanks!
Last edited by Warrior7; 02-18-2010 at 02:00 AM.
hmm 18 seems alot, i hope this means we will get a good spread (all the other games have so im sure this one will too). Still plenty left over for expansions as wellCant wait for this game
I reckon they will put in the usuals like england, russia, rome, usa - but who else?
Originally Posted by KingJambo
zulu, china, german, aztec ++!
Personally i hope for the Khemer nation! love it!
I'd like to see Canada FINALLY make the grade. But that's just me.
Definitely better have Inca!! Love my quechuas & chasquis. And bring back the pink tutu FTW
Being a Canadian I also would love for this to happen. Poor CanadaI'd like to see Canada FINALLY make the grade. But that's just me.
Hail Canada!I'd like to see Canada FINALLY make the grade. But that's just me.
The problem is, Canada would win the game in 2 turns and suck the fun out of it, giving us an unfair reputation for being boring.I'd like to see Canada FINALLY make the grade. But that's just me.
The second turn would be just to be polite, too.
If I had to guess:
1. USA
2. England
3. Spain
4. Rome
5. Russia
6. China
7. Japan
8. Aztec
9. Inca
10. Germany
11. France
12. Egypt
13. India
14. Mongol
15. Zulu
16. Iroquois (or Native American)
17. Arabian
18. Babylonian
These seem to be the civilizations that are usually included in the first version of all the games (w/ the exception of the native americans... maybe replace them w/ the Mali). I'd assume that expansion packs to CIV V will include more civs and more leaders like usual. Which honestly is a good financial move b/c I always buy the expansion packs just so I can play as my fav civ... the Vikings.
I like the traditional choices, but it would be fun to have one fictional Civ, say Atlantis or the Amazons.
Personally, I rather hope not. Civilization focuses on being realistic with their warfare and diplomacy, so it's doubtful that they will do this, though not unbelievable.
elves and orcs! lol
please...
18 civilizations? Right.. another 7 or 8 are coming with the first expansion pack a year later and another 8 with a second expansion pack another year later.
well, hello. this is my 1st post on this forum, for the sake of civ5.
i believe 18civs are less. i also assume that they will increase the number with EPs. wise enough marketingwe already had 32 in civ4 BTS.
my ideal 18 would be the following
1) egyptian
2) persian
3) greek
4) roman
5) chinese
6) indian
7) aztec
8) inca
9) turkish ~ottoman
10) mongol
11) german
12) english
13) french
14) spanish
15) american
16) arabian
17) russian
18) zulu
Personally i'd like to see a system of multiple leaders for each civililization- perhaps a new one for each era. They could come in randomly, and bring different benefits and penalties to your civilization. So you could have been playing through the ancient era playing with an aggressive leader with military benefits and then have to alter your playing style when a peace loving type leader gains power in the middle ages.
Medieval war does that quite well with different fictional kings coming in with beneficial and sometimes non beneficial traits.
I think the Dutch should return in game!
Tiny country, tiny civ, but with some great contributions to history!
characteristics:
strong economy and diplomacy
immune to sea level rise and floods
ability to impolder land
+10 happiness from liberal law
+10 health (longest life expectancy)
+10 science
dutch inventions:
- delta works, ☺☺☺☺s, polders
- stock exchange and multinational company
- microscope and telescope
- pendulum clock
- electrocardiograph
- compact disc
- sawmill
- speed camera (sorry for that
- submarine
- artificial kidney
besides that the dutch discovered:
- bacteria
- spermatozoa
- infusoria
- australia
- photosynthesis
- rings of Saturn
military:
- thales goalkeeper, +1 defense against against incoming missiles and ballistic shells
plus!
- the dutch founded New Amsterdam, nowadays known as New York City
- the dutch stole the British flagship Royal Charles
- the dutch co-founded the EU
special resources: Cheese and tulips
I would say Canada is not distinct enough from the USA to be included. Perhaps in an expansion, but not in the initial 18 civs. The USA as a name is prominent enough in the world to represent the whole of North America.
Otherwise the Irish, Welsh and Scots should all be in the 18 as they are far more culturally and linguistically distinct from the English that Canada is from the US. I still have no way of knowing the difference between a Canadian or American... but go to the UK and you WILL know when you speak to a Scot!
No offense intended of course, some of my best friends of Scottish.
Customized and money?
No matter what we do, the game will come with a lot of anachronistic features. To solve that i would recommend to make people able to customize their civilizations more based on cultural and geographical terms. So instead of the Zulus, you would have an expansive african nation, and instead of America, you would have a former colony, united against its former imperial power.
But to be realistic, it would not sell!.
To be honest i think we are stuck with the civilizations that have coloured our history and the contrafactic history that we'd try and spell out gamewise will be somewhat misconstrued and an anachronistic mismatch of sorts - but still a very enjoyable game.
i think we'll see the best from civ IV, and offcourse being a Dane i hope for a nation of vikings, but i am willing to wait for those in a further expansion.
Please read a book or don´t lie... Submarine was invented by Isaac Peral that was Spanish http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_PeralI think the Dutch should return in game!
Tiny country, tiny civ, but with some great contributions to history!
characteristics:
strong economy and diplomacy
immune to sea level rise and floods
ability to impolder land
+10 happiness from liberal law
+10 health (longest life expectancy)
+10 science
dutch inventions:
- delta works, ☺☺☺☺s, polders
- stock exchange and multinational company
- microscope and telescope
- pendulum clock
- electrocardiograph
- compact disc
- sawmill
- speed camera (sorry for that
- submarine
- artificial kidney
besides that the dutch discovered:
- bacteria
- spermatozoa
- infusoria
- australia
- photosynthesis
- rings of Saturn
military:
- thales goalkeeper, +1 defense against against incoming missiles and ballistic shells
plus!
- the dutch founded New Amsterdam, nowadays known as New York City
- the dutch stole the British flagship Royal Charles
- the dutch co-founded the EU
special resources: Cheese and tulips
Also chopter predecesor by Juan de la Cierva http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogiro
More examples: the mop and chupachups
I would change zulu (its a stupid civ) for Carthage, Vikings, Japan, Mayans, Poland, Austria-Hungary or Khmer but thats best list for me. Even i think 18 is so short.well, hello. this is my 1st post on this forum, for the sake of civ5.
i believe 18civs are less. i also assume that they will increase the number with EPs. wise enough marketing
my ideal 18 would be the following
1) egyptian
2) persian
3) greek
4) roman
5) chinese
6) indian
7) aztec
8) inca
9) turkish ~ottoman
10) mongol
11) german
12) english
13) french
14) spanish
15) american
16) arabian
17) russian
18) zulu
Last edited by AK777; 02-22-2010 at 09:18 PM.
I hope the designers considered allowing players more freedom to customize their game and civilization.
There are something like 250+ recognized nations... It would be nice if a player could start the game by uploading a picture for his "leader picture", a "national flag picture", and entering the desired text for the nation he would be using.
IF you play multiplayer games and wanted to represent your nation of say......... Palau you could do so...
You can then choose cities with Western/Eastern/Middleastern/New World achitecture....
It would also be nice to allow a player to "build" their special unit for their "custom" civilization.
The player would choice a unit from the existing "normal" units. He would then be given two "unique attribute points to use"
If you decided to have a unique Rifleman unit, you would select the pre-existing Rifleman unit and choose from a list of "special" upgrades. (such as bonuses of attack power,movement,or attack against other types of units...
When you research the normal technology required for the normal Rifleman unit, you would then be able to build your uniquely named unit... And give you that small edge in the game, durring that time period...
I just hope they don't neglect these obvious oversights of the past...
Tiberius
I love this idea. The whole thing. I'm assuming the same design for unique units could apply to Unique Buildings. But how will the leaders be represented?
The leaders would be people who appear in the game like events. Face it, this game isn't about the leaders, it's about the civilizations!
When creating your civilization you could choose which direction you wanted it to go within each new era. If you want to be historically accurate, you could. If not, you could start one era with aztec warriors and than move into the next with European medieval units. So long as the game was programed to do a bit of balancing while you were building, like not allowing certain traits to be placed together or certain unit types to be fitted with others.
I think History bears witness to the fact that a people are uniquely reflected in its leaders as much as leaders are uniquely reflected in their people.
You can't characterise without studying character.
The leaders are simply products of their time and culture. A fictitious U.S. president is just as significant in the game as a real one.
It doesn't matter if you're playing as Abe Lincoln or Tom Cruise. The general narrative of your game will be the same, because it will be the civilization that shapes it, not the immortal leader who has lead the civilization since the dawn of time to now.
The real leader of the civilization is you! Abe Lincoln is not an avatar to your self, he is simply a picture on the screen that has no significant impact on the narrative of the game aside from the little bonus he provides. Thus, it would be neat, if as time progressed you could elect new leaders for your civilization to rule under you that bring different attributes to the table.
Last edited by Broken Clock; 02-20-2010 at 10:15 AM.
In theory.... you could search for a historic picture of your desired leader. You would download the picture from the internet. Simply google any historic person, and I bet you will find something to download.
Then you upload the picture image in your pregame setup... The same process for a real national flag image.
I like the idea of "custom civilization"
Using all the ideas involoved... I could be Emperor Bob, of my nation called Bob Land...
I would have a real life picture of my "beautfiful" self... with my own flag image that I made myself...You could make your flag with microsoft paint..lol
And I would have the worlds fastest Warrior unit...he would be able to travel three spaces in one turn. lol
Im canadian and want canada in for sure, but its not gonna happen. America is in because the game is made in the states so why wouldnt they involve it.
Wow, you people love to debate angles. Let's not forget it's 18 civs now, 32 probably in the expansion packs.
1. The Republic of The United States...hmmm.... Well there are a lot of ways to define "civilization" the most obvious is some governmental existance and obvious rule of law. Ignore any idiot history teacher that would tell you the United States "incorporated" rule of law... Rule of law always existed... The first caveman beat his brother for sleeping with his woman... (Rule of Law #1...don't Touch UG's woman or UG beat you...
The United States is a "great" civilization because it was one of the few with the chance to be a "start up" civilization... There were prior rules of law and government that the rebels overthrew and wrote their own... Few nations can still trace that instance back to such a limited time period and obvious documentation... or in this case the American Revolution and the signing of the Decleration of Independence... I'll spare the "greatest thing ever written B.S." it was great because it was written and then applied to practial use by people in one generation, and the writters, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin...Then put in an escape clause that said it was mans laws, not "Gods" laws.
And shame on anyone who is American for suggesting "were not old enough..or a cultural identity... To be American means... We the people believe in Freedom, Fairness, and Equality, and that all people are created were rights that can be denied... blah blah blah.... Thats american culture... Though it is often not realized.....
CANADA...
Looks, I"m born and raised in St. Louis America... Heart of the freaking nation... And I say Canada is a Freakin GLORIOUS F'ING NATION... They have a tenth the population of the US. Great Britain, Australia... and they have heroically been there on the world stage for every major war and conflict... and they don't slumber and hide... the GOT GUTZ... and your an idiot if you think otherwise... Put em in the Game...
Hitler....
It is true that Hitler would not be put in a game released to Germany... But it would be possible for more than one version of the game... and perhaps... the bastard would be in the Gerneral release... and not the one released in Germany or Europe...
I don't want to see the bastard in any release... all the historical leaders have a "debatable" reputation and resume... You dig hard enough you can make objections to Gandi for christ sake... but Hitler... rather undebated... he was a murderer... And I think represents everything wrong and could become wrong with humanity...
And shut up with the social darwinism crap... The acctual Darwin was a guy who suggested a "Theory" of how crap happened... not HOW CRAP SHOULD BE...
Its the psychopaths and racist xenophobes... who twisted that into a crappy philosophy...
I say keep Hitler out becasue he deserves as much glory as Jeffrey Dahmer... Why not just put Charles Manson on the face on the CIv box...
People Hitler is excluded because he was a stain on Civilization, not a contributer to it...
Spain Was Aleady In The Game Currently, So It Is Very Likely For It To Be In Civ 5I'm very happy to know that Civilization V is coming.
As far as I know, 18 civilizations will be implemented into the game...
Wich are the chosen ones?
BTW it would be great to know who are going to be the leaders of each civilization...
Is Spain Included? I hope so!
Thanks!
US
Britain
France
India
Germany
Russia
Japan
China
Persia
Arabia
Greece
Rome
Egypt
Native America
Inca
Zulu
Byzantine
Mongolia
That is 18
Wild cards are the Dutch, Portugal, Spain, Viking, Israel, Brazil. Sumeria, Babylon, Maya, Aztec, Korea.
Not sure why they would stop at 18. Surely producing artwork for 8-10 more can't be that costly. Guess they can hit the leftovers in the expansions.
Last edited by Procylon; 02-27-2010 at 11:05 AM.
Replace Byzantine with Aztec and you will have the most likely list for Civ V so far.
But yeah, they can always add more civilizations in expansion packs, even mods. I know Poland isn't going to be one of the civilizations to be in Civ V, but it may be in an expansion pack or mod so...
Possibly, except we saw the Hagia Sophia in the video. Unless they are going to consider that as part of the Roman Empire.
I am also wondering which one gets kicked out by the vikings which we also saw in the video unless those are considered barbarians which is highly likely.
I can see Germany and Russia being combined as Prussia making room for one more. I can also see the native americans being shafted since the US sits in their place and they can be collected under maya/aztec banners.
Hagia Sophia had minarets. That was Ottoman Istanbul in the trailer.
Well, thank you!This is the best list in my opinion. realy good
I am Turkish, so I am familiar with the growing power of the Russians from Ottoman History, rising up with Peter the Great and becoming a major power with Catherine the Great. Still, USSR is something "everyone" is familiar with, and it represents the height of Russian power (although the Soviets were meant to be "International") - that's why I said see. USSR at the reasoning part. Of course Russia has a powerful Imperial era.
I find it amusing, That non mentions the Persian Empire in a game called Civilization. The Persian Empire created civilization known today, the persian Empire created the human rights, and anything you find morally today is from ancient Persia.
So tbh Persia should be the nr1 most important Empire this game MUST have, no other empire have effected the world as much as the Persian empire.
Also the biggest leader of all time is Cyrus the Great, you guys read any history?
Imo, the list goes
Persia
China
India
Arabia
Egypt
Maya
Inca
((These empires have been there from the start, and have affected the world most by far))
Rom
Greece
Germany
England
Japan
((Also bignames in the world known today))
That's my list.
And people are arguing about Canada and USA, what the ****...
USA have existed what, 300 years? Trough genocide of indians, used weapons of mass destruction (nukes) and lot's of covert ops. Basicly extremly bloody history with morally ****ed up actions. I would not call the USA a great empire, i mean people say "well, freedom and democracy" Oh? they support most of the dictators of the world, they usually topple democracy and install dictaturs if foreign countries, they dont really have that much freedom, they use their own people as products and raise them with the influence of media and so on.
Canada is far better option of a good civ that symbols the western style government, even tough they havent done much.
I mean people are crying out loud when people mentions Hitler, who actually did alot for the german people and made germany be in the powergame once more. From being bankrupt country with no future to a superpower who fought entire europe. That imo is signs of great leadership. And people whine about he killed jews, ****ing retards. Not only jews died, like they are more special than other races? racists? If you support USA, you ****ing can Support Hitler. Both are murderers and killed innocent commited genocide. So gtfo with your dual morals.
Imo Hitler and USA should be in the game, even tough they are morally bad, they changed the world we live in today.
I love Civ and i really hope they include as many nations as possible.
Just get annoyed when arrogant people making false claims, read history then claim your "facts".
Holy ****, I completely forgot about Persia! Extremely sorry man, your definately right. Persia should be in the first game. I also forgot the Babylonians, they're pretty important aswell lol.
So, still focusing on the negative side of the USA are we? Don't get me wrong, I'm not an American, I live in Wales, but you cannot deny that the USA have had a huge impact on the modern world economically, technologically and culturally. Doesn't matter if they've been around for only 300 years.
Oh please, listen to yourself.
Last edited by Jinzor; 02-28-2010 at 03:56 AM.
Not wanting to become embroiled in any of this my civ is better than your civ nonesense, or the 'thats not a civ its a nation yadayada'; I place my speculative list in JUST FOR FUN:
1 Americans
2 Aztecs
3 Babylonians
4 Persians
5 Japanese
6 Chinese
7 Indians
8 Mongolians
9 Russians
10 English
11 French
12 German
13 Greek
14 Romans
15 Dutch
16 Spanish
17 Egyptians
18 Turkish
I had fun.
Heres the list I've been thinking of, sorry for not posting it before.
African Civilizations
1. Egypt
2. Zululand
Western European Civilizations
3. Britain
4. France
5. Germany
Southern European Civilizations
6. Italy
7. Greece
8. Spain
Eastern European Civilizations
9. Russia
(More can be added in expansion packs, like Poland)
Asian Civilizations
10. Persia
11. Babylon
12. India
East Asian Civilizations
13. China
14. Japan
15. Mongolia
North American Civilizations
16. America
South American Civilizations
17. Aztec
18. Inca
So, basically, you have the same civilizations from the older game...just how it should be in my opinion. But, more can be included in expansion packs obviously.
Which civilizations I would most like to see in an expansion pack:
Netherlands
Poland
Maya
Korea
Ottoman
Nubia
Portugal
Vikings/A scandinavian civilization (Sweden?)
Last edited by Jinzor; 02-28-2010 at 04:15 AM.
The Dutch won't make it before the Portuguese, almost for sure. They are at the same level, methinks, they both have equally-weighing pros and cons. If one is included, the other will be as well, and vice-versa*. Which probably means both are out of vanilla Civ5.
*(Colonization was an exception with a valid reason behind it.)
I really hope this time we could have Turks who had been always turned a blind eye on as standard selectable nations for the sake of real history. They were rulers of Middle Asia, formed hundreds of empires and hundreds of millions still live on most of it. They are the inventors of monotheism and had believed in only one God with 99 names for thousands of years hence the name Turk meaning God knowing human. They most probably invented irrigation. They used iron hundreds of years before anyone else (hence the Chinese recorded Turks to use the magic metal) and used iron stirrups on horses and wheels to ride long ways, immigrating and truly shaping cultures and the world. Their actions gave birth to many civilizations like Roman Empire, Ottoman empire, etc and they themselves destroyed most of their own civilizations when it didn't work out any longer. Ottoman Empire was just a fraction of their known history which was not that impressive in the big picture. Most of those who refused to convert were killed by the Arabs and in Europe by the Inquisition but their belief still lives on. I think they deserve a place more than most of the civilizations on Civilization.
Looking forward to see a in-game video.
Last edited by ancalimonungol; 03-22-2010 at 10:13 PM.
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