18 Civilizations. The chosen?
I'm very happy to know that Civilization V is coming.
As far as I know, 18 civilizations will be implemented into the game...
Wich are the chosen ones?
BTW it would be great to know who are going to be the leaders of each civilization...
Is Spain Included? I hope so!
Last edited by Warrior7; 02-18-2010 at 02:00 AM.
hmm 18 seems alot, i hope this means we will get a good spread (all the other games have so im sure this one will too). Still plenty left over for expansions as well Cant wait for this game
I reckon they will put in the usuals like england, russia, rome, usa - but who else?
Originally Posted by KingJambo
zulu, china, german, aztec ++!
Personally i hope for the Khemer nation! love it!
I'd like to see Canada FINALLY make the grade. But that's just me.
Definitely better have Inca!! Love my quechuas & chasquis. And bring back the pink tutu FTW
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Novgorod, Poland, Lithuania, Germany, Russia, Sumatra, Minoan (theoritically, the people of Atlantis) just to name a few would be sweet.
I like the traditional choices, but it would be fun to have one fictional Civ, say Atlantis or the Amazons.
Being a Canadian I also would love for this to happen. Poor Canada
Originally Posted by Qikdraw
Maybe A new Nation like Canada or another other nation that might be just as enjoyable other then old favorites.
I'd like to see the Hittites back as well as the ancient cultures that appeared in Civ IV such as Babylon and Sumeria. Also classical era cultures such as Carthage.
Originally Posted by Qikdraw
If the game is to keep its coherence, the civilizations must remain historical, and the there must be differences that are meaningful in game play. Fictional civilizations should be in another game - Civilization II: Test of Time had magical realms in 1999 - and the multiplication of favourite countries is to be avoided. Remember that a country is not necessarily a specific civilization: e.g., Sweden, Danemark and Norway would all be included in a Scandinavian civilization.
Canada, for example, is not a specific civilization: its traits are covered by either the English or the French, and it has no major historical role. The game editor allows players to create a custom civilization for those who are not satisfied with the existing choices.
I would prefer if they'd stik to the typical ones. It makes more sence to represent the major civs of our history and not some unimportant, like Canada.
For scandinavians, then we have the vikings. It makes sence to keep them like that since vikings was what they were at the time when they were strongest.
One issue I would like to adress is why Hitler is not a possible choice as leader. Other cruel leaders from history, like Stalin, are represented, but there is some fear about insulting people by making Hitler a choice. I just think it is lame and weak that a leader that made such an impact on the world is not represented.
Does anyone else here think that using historical nations and peoples is too confining?
Obviously, the sandbox element to the Civilization games does help to eliminate linear gameplay, but the games are also hand cuffed to human history.
Technological advances are expected and forced to progress to the next stage of our common heritage. Civilizations are individualized from the start because of two (imho, inconsequential) attributes and one or two unique units. From there, the limited diversity of technologies and common endpoint means that civilizations advance into a world with homogeneous technology, with moderation typically guiding the players along similar paths.
Ha, if you look out your window, you'll see that the games accurately portray globalization at it's most basic roots. That's all well and good, but I'd like to see a truly sandbox game. A Civilization where all tribes are created (relatively) equal, and advance similarly because of factors governing Humanity's past and present progression.
Environmental factors are modeled nicely in previous games, albeit with out considerable depth. The main element that I suppose I'm getting at is choice.
And, after having written that, I see the err of my ways.
This is simply an element of depth, and when boiled down, the rallying cry is, "more more more!"
To conclude my stumblings, civilizations need not be confined to historical prototypes. The disconnect when playing Stone Age America reduces the sensation of leading a brand new civilization to their unknown zenith.
Also, I'll put on my flame retardant pantaloons by saying that I am in lust with these games, and have been playing them since civ2 came out during my 3rd grade. I'd just like to see them achieve the best possible emulation of a civilization's progression.
Last edited by threeleafclover; 02-18-2010 at 05:26 AM.
Well it just so happens that Canada is very important to MY history.
Originally Posted by theis81
By the same Token the USA was just a British colony that gained independence, why should they get their own civ?
You can say the exact same thing for the Americans, yet they've been in the game since day one.
Originally Posted by Vergennes
Not to get into an argument about the relative worth of different civs or cultures, but Canada's historical worth is still there, even though we don't scream it out every time we accomplish something. I would give Canada as a high diplomacy characteristic, easier to make trades and treaties.
One characteristic of the Americans which would be cool, would be the possibility of civil war, depending on different political choices made. I'd play the Americans more if there was that possibility.
Civil wars are human, not american.
Yes, but the Civil War was huge in American history, and it still has its effect today.
Originally Posted by threeleafclover
Sure, but any war has remarkable consequences. Should civil wars be included, they should be a possibility for any nation to experience.
With just 18, it's so hard to choose, but here is what I would go with:
Canada would have a much bigger part in history if they carried out their plans to take over America. Not sure what happened with that plan but it was abandoned.
I personaly would like Mexico
porfirio diaz and benito juarez as the leaders..
but im pretty sure this is not gonna come true
Ever see the movie "Strange Brew"? It's a startlingly accurate documentary of life in Canada, and can answer all your questions about why Canada failed to take over America.
Originally Posted by satsui
I think it's about time we had Hitler as a German leader. Removing him from the game an act of pathetic anal receival from the PC patrol. We need to face the fact that Hitler did exist, did irreprably affect history and so DOES need to be included in a game that uses history. Also it strikes me if Portugal can exist, then you might as well have Canada. (Although why you'd want either defies me.) I myself would much like to see the Ozies and New Zeland have their racial identies inducted.
Originally Posted by Sid Meir's older brother2
I think the reason Hitler has never been included among the leaders is obvious: He lost, and left his nation in shambles.
Obviously, many leaders have committed atrocities, but nearly every leader featured in Civilization has expanded their respective cultures, whereas Hitler actually managed to lose his whole country to complete surrender a mere 6 years after starting his war.
Not exactly worthy of being on the same scale as Alexander or Caesar. That being said, why is DeGaulle a leader?
Add Canada or we will all go on strike!!!!
My opinion may be biased because I am Canadian, but I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that Canada needs to be an official Civilization. It's either that or America should be removed because America could be summed up as a mix between English and Spanish traits. Canada has contributed as much to the world as America has and has been instrumental in some of the largest areas of modern life, from involvement in overseas military action, to political and economic stabilization in second and third world countries.
Canada has a huge hand in the success of both World Wars, in fact, the German's considered Canadian soldiers to be amonst the best the allies had in WW1 and even "borrowed" their nickname for their own soldiers in WW2(Canadian soldiers in WW1 where nicknamed Stormtroopers due to their ability to weather any fight, Germans called themselves Stormtroopers in WW2, Lucas later stole the name for Star Wars...)
Canada was influential in the American Civil wars and decimated American armies during the war of 1812. The only battle America won during that war was the final battle, The Battle of New Orleans, which is said to have occured after the peace treaty was signed because neither side got the news in time.
Canada is not just some flash-in-the-pan country, we have as much right to be in the game as our American counterparts.
Also, Hockey night in Canada needs to be a national wonder...
Originally Posted by Sid Meir's older brother2
1. With Hitler as a leader they wouldn't be able to release the game in Germany, because the possibility to conquer the world as the Third Reich would lead to a ban. Even SSI's Panzer General faced a ban for young people because some text passages in the manual didn't show enough distance from the political message and the cruelty of the national-socialist ideology and their crimes against humanity. Only after the manual was altered the game could be sold again, but that wouldn't be enough for a Civ game.
2. It would be really insulting to us Germans. I think no one would like his people to be represented by one of the most evil men in Earth history. Most of the Germans living today never had anything to do with the Third Reich, and those who did were too young to prevent Hitler's takeover. We as a nation don't deserve to be reduced to 12 horrible years in our history. All the leaders of the civilizations in the Civ games are mostly seen positive by history, although not everything they did was okay. But Hitler is the personification of negative.
3. What sick f*ck would like to play as Hitler anyway?
To be fair playing as Hitler is not equivalent to wanting to be Hitler.
Originally Posted by Klopfer
Canada should for sure be included.
It should have a high diplomacy factor, diplomatic unque building, and an idea for a unique unit is the pioneer!! Have the pioneer the same as any other settler but with an extra movement and defense point!
Canada and America were both colonies that gained independence..... THe only reason America is "stronger" is because of their greater population.....
PS: another idea for a unique building... ODR.. the outdoor rink
here is why
Ok, the difference between Why say Stalin is allowed in game but Adolf is not is because many Russians are proud of their Soviet Past, but Germans are not proud of their Nazi past, and do not want to be represented by it.
Same with other big conquerors, Napoleon, is not really a hated man, all though he is a big conquerer, so he is acceptable.
Also, for those mentioning the great nation of Canada, be serious.
Russia- Great Revolution, Socialism/Communism, First in Space
America- Nuclear Bomb, Landing on the Moon, Hollywood
Britain- British Empire, Magna Carta
Canada- Bacon ?
Id bet my life savings of no Canada in C5
I doubt many countries want to have their "evil" past leaders in the game as well, but they're in there.
Originally Posted by Klopfer
be serious, Canada is a great country, but It wouldnt call it a Civilization, or a serious contender to be one of all of historys greatest 18 civilizations
Originally Posted by jazzkiddd
I wouldn't call America a Civilization or contender for "history's 18 greatest civilizations" either, it just happens to be the most recent empire out of thousands in the past. Prussia, Austria, Macedonia, the list could go on...
Originally Posted by Edgemaniac
Canada is the second largest country in the world, there is a cultural and economic influence felt all over, even in America. Hockey, basketball, even the first North American "football" game was invented in Canada.
I'll buy the game either way because there no way I could successfully boycott Civilization, but personally I believe that if Canada is not worthy of being in Civilization, neither is America.
Last edited by paradigmx; 02-18-2010 at 09:55 AM.
well not nesecesarilly, leaders in the game were chosen for their leadership.. gandhi was not president/emperor/king etc.. but he was a leader of what was known as colonial india..and he was in no war..
Originally Posted by TheBadSeed
napoleon, lost at the end, just like hitler, and he was the hitler of back then.. except hitler did take it to extremes..the point is that napoleon was an italian with leadership, with only two years of school in one year, he became an officer and soon commanded the army of France!
ive heard a quote.."Washington is a mad man! *another guy*, only if he loses, if he wins he is a hero"
that could have been said to hitler, germany would of probably become a super power, and even though they lost, germany is one of the most advanced countries.. 4th largest economy, only the u.s.a china and japan have a larger economy, but china has soo many people, they are still kinda poor people.. so germany today is very powerful.. if they had had more land/resources.. today they would be maybe number 2.. or tied with japan..
im not saying the hitler idea is good, just wanted to say you were not true in saying that the creators of civ make their selection based on whether or not they had a war and won..
Unfortunatley that is a very flawed statement.
Originally Posted by paradigmx
The technological, cultural, and military achievements of the past 250 years of American existance far surpass to any comparible magnitude the influence of the 40 or so years of the Candian "Nation". Technically you are still part of the commonwealth under the queen, be serious.
actually no country in the "Americas" is chosen to be a civ,
Originally Posted by paradigmx
1. they are not old enough
2. all other than the native americans, aztec, mayans, incas etc.. because they were here for a long time
3. the reason why the u.s.a is here is because of the great achievement, it took the u.s. about 250 years to modernize, create the largest economy, create the most advances in science.. the u.s.a is made up of almost every race, religious group.. and ect etc.. the u.s.a also has compsed the strongest naval, areal, and land military.. while it took every other country thouands of years!!!
it took them thousands of years to create a proper govt.. the english atleast kinda made progress with magna carta.. but still in monarcy.. plus most civilizations has a aristocratic hierarchy, while in the u.s. that did not work.. if you wanted to have a good life, you worked hard.. and that motivated many americans.. they startted to understand that inventions were the ones that created the cash.. so they started thinking, while other nations.. not sure what they were doing.. kinda just waiting for advanced countries to invent everything.. not sure
As a Canadian/Australian i'll add my two cents and say neither country deserve to be in an official Civ 5. That's what modding is for.
And ofcourse the US should be included not only for their impact on the world but also for marketing reasons.