What DRM will BioShock 2 have?
Preferably none, but if it requires internet activation, steam, or limited installs I will not be able to but it.
If anyone knows please tell me.
What DRM will BioShock 2 have?
Preferably none, but if it requires internet activation, steam, or limited installs I will not be able to but it.
If anyone knows please tell me.
SecuRom. That's all luckily.Originally Posted by Skelebob124156
Sorry for being a computer-term noob
But what does DRM mean?
Digital Rights Management.Sorry for being a computer-term noob
But what does DRM mean?
Ah thanks, and secu-rom means..
I indeed do hope I can install it on more then one PC :O
Because I have a PC and a Laptop, and I want to install it on a Laptop too so I can take Bioshock 2 with me to a friend..
(I hear you saying; then just don't install it on your PC..? But I think the game will run much better on my PC)
I couldn't do this with, for example, MW2, because that runs via Steam and I couldn't create more then 1 account with 1 code..
Last edited by Cerobec; 01-16-2010 at 02:05 AM.
If they use the same setup as last time (it hasn't been confirmed yet), you'll have a 5x5 option. That means you can simultaneously install on 5 different machines, and you can re-install it on each machine an additional 4 times. Plus they eventually put out a revoke tool so you could "refund" an install in most situations (like if you knew in advance you wanted to take it off or if you were reformatting your hard drive) and use it again.
But this is all guessing at this stage. I'm certain you won't be restricted to one computer in any case.
holy crap, that 5x5 thing is still there? oh man i think i lost a few installs then, caus i reformat so much lol, man i thought they got rid of it because users were getting madIf they use the same setup as last time (it hasn't been confirmed yet), you'll have a 5x5 option. That means you can simultaneously install on 5 different machines, and you can re-install it on each machine an additional 4 times. Plus they eventually put out a revoke tool so you could "refund" an install in most situations (like if you knew in advance you wanted to take it off or if you were reformatting your hard drive) and use it again.
But this is all guessing at this stage. I'm certain you won't be restricted to one computer in any case.
is there any way to find out how many you have left?
The limit was removed about a year ago. So you're fine.
EDIT: And Ken Levine stated right at the beginning that it was a temporary measure and would eventually be lifted. So it wasn't due to people being mad.
Last edited by japester; 01-16-2010 at 08:01 AM.
I'll be posting details about this and more soon. Stay tuned for official word.
I sure hope info on this is released soon as I for one will never ever buy Bioshock 2 if it includes any DRM that requires online authorization. I want to be sure that I can run the game on a PC without internet connection and also I want to feel safe that the game can be played in the future when servers hosting the authorization-files are offline.
The Steam page has outed the DRM, which seems grudgingly acceptable for the most part.
Oh wait: "Ability to save game... requires log-in to Games for Windows LIVE".
SIGH - does that mean a login is required at every save, or a one-off login?
I'm so gutted I've resurrected a long abandoned forum account and posted on The Internet.
More than grudgingly acceptable: the SecuROM DRM is an abominable rootkit that if left to its own devices can cause damage to your system. I definitely have a friend whose DVD-drive was ruined by SecuROM. Disgusting.
DRM is a piece of crock and while it's the distributors' right to put it in their games, it's my right to give my money through Valve to evade it which I am more than happy to do. No reinstall limits, no nothin' - Steam hasn't failed me yet.
I don't know where you see that GFWL part, but it doesn't surprise me. Is it stupid and shortsighted? Hell yes, and I agree with you.
Hopefully it's like Arkham Asylum, i.e. you can just create an offline GFWL account & don't need to be online to install or play single player.
Crezth, the DRM is described on the STEAM page under the System Requirements http://store.steampowered.com/app/8859/
I hate securom as much as the next PC gamer, the problem is so many games have it, you can either accept it or miss out on a ton of games.
The GFWL thing i mentioned; if you cant save the SP when you are offline? how many hoops do I have to jump through to play a game?
Last edited by Laughable Butane Bob; 01-19-2010 at 10:51 AM. Reason: added link
I'd be grateful for that (having made my own thread on this very same topic here a week or so ago).
Disappointed if you've gone down virtually the same route as Grand Theft Auto 4... if you have, I'm afraid I won't be buying the game.
Games for Windows is inaccessible to some regions, including ones that Steam sells to. I'm in the UK and it doesn't affect me, but I disagree on principle with this.
I'm also disappointed Bioshock 1 still requires 3 different types of anti-piracy protection, 2 years after release. I had hoped for some kind of gesture from Take 2, and indications they take on board comments of actual customers (e.g. take note of EA's anti-piracy methods), but have little hope of either of those happening.
Thanks for your attention.
Yours pessimistically,
Mellifluous
SecuROM itself isn't a major issue for me but I refuse to get any game that requires online authentication for installing and/or playing in single player/offline modes. From the Steam page it looks like BS2 will be using SecuROM; I'm hoping that for the retail version this will merely be used for the disc check.
Edit: Can anyone from 2K confirm please if the retail version will require online activation? Thanks
Last edited by Oppopji; 01-19-2010 at 11:02 AM.
I suppose "Initial installation requires one-time internet connection" could refer to steam only, or it could (more likely?) be securom or GFWL (with the retail version too)... so not much help answering your question, sorry.
Also, does this mean install limits?
I hope your GFWL client can be offline like you said with B:AA.
Guess we have to wait until Elizabeth details everything.
Urgh, isn't modern PC gaming fun?
Most likely SecuROM. If it was Steam, there wouldn't be the "one-time".
"Initial installation requires one-time internet connection"
That sucks. Was looking forward to buying this game but now? No chance in hell.
A one-time internet connection isn't the end of the world... I myself see no problem with it. If you have internet access, I don't see why it would be an obstruction to your enjoyment of the game.
So bioshock 2 appeared on steam, great news.
But what about 3rd party DRM? I spot GFWL but is that it?
I'm just checking for confirmation.
Edit: nevermind i just noticed securom just abit further down the bottom on other requirements.
Last edited by BeaconClose; 01-19-2010 at 04:06 PM.
Indeed, one time connection seems fine in this day and age, but if there's so much of a hint of limited activations, I'm not buying the game at all.
Steam related:
Someone informed me that the steam requirements DO say securom along with gfwl.
-So we have Steam the overarching DRM, we're all happy with that.
-Then we have GFWL, controversial amongst most as you can't save unless you have a gamertag and not to mention p2p matchmaking, VOIP only etc (as per the GFWL standards).
-THEN you have securom activation.
Its a complete mess.
Not to mention there will be DLC which will probably be a copy of borderlands meaning limited activation securom.
Last edited by BeaconClose; 01-19-2010 at 04:18 PM.
They removed the DRM on Bio1 for a reason. Given all the controversy, why would they include it in Bio2?
Hey 2K, are you monitoring the Steam forums? If you aren't, check this out.
You are really screwing this up. I was really hoping to pre-purchase and spend my hard-earned dollars on what I'm sure is a fantastic game. I can't do that now out of principle. I was so looking forward to buying your game through Steam without any bull along with it. Thanks a lot, now I can't do that
SHAME!
SecuRom is not the issue for me. It`s the fact that GFWL is required to just save your game and get updates. I don`t play multiplayer, so i don`t see why i need that crappy program to play singleplayer.
Sorry 2K, but no sale for me.
It isn't, I boycott out of mainly two reasons.
A: if the game requires an internet-connection to play, that means I can't install and play the game on my computer in any situation where I lack internet connection. This also means that once the activation-servers go offline, the game that I bought is practically useless.
B: it's against my principals to support games including this kind of DRM
I totally agree with A, and do not buy non-Valve games on Steam for this reason. I intensely dislike a future where in 10 years time I cannot play, buy or give away games from today. I can pick up and play an old game from a charity/thrift shop but I won't be able to do this 10 years in the future. I find that incredibly depressing and being in the creative industry myself, I cannot see how the developers of these games do not find this depressing either.
I do buy games requiring activation though if the DRM is reasonable and the publisher has also made a promise to patch out the DRM if servers go down. Electronic Arts have made that promise on their website (not verbally or via Chinese whispers the way Steam has - Steam's promise is nonexistent imo). They also don't require internet verification for a couple of new games, just disk checks. Not this unreasonable activation, zero day piracy verification and disk check Take 2 has. As a result I'm happy buying EA games, but refuse to buy games where the publishers are going out of their way to remove enjoyment of the game.
Oh, and I'm not a Games for Windows hater. Works for me, but as mentioned this regionalisation idiocy means there are people on Steam who are going to buy the game and then find they can't actually play it because GfW isn't supported in their country.
Last edited by Mellifluous; 01-19-2010 at 10:05 PM.
i've already purchased my limited edition for the xbox 360 and am just waiting for me to be able to go pick it up, but this kinda makes me feel bad for those of you using the computer for your games.... limited installs wtf is that??
i've never seen a game require internet even one time for singleplayer, 2k what monstrosity is this?
Hi Guys and 2K Members,
i read the news today about the DRM in bioshock2. steam, games for windows, securom and online activation -.-. What kind of **** do you smoke?
i made this account only to say: i cancelt my order for bioshock 2 today. i will buy it like bioshock1 for 5€ on weekenddeal on steam in 2011.
have a nice day. i hope many peoples boykott this game because of that ****. games for windows sucks!!!
Man, all of this type of stuff just makes me more likely to get the 360 version...
I pre-ordered this game off steam not knowing about the SecuROM that came with this, saw people were angry about it on the steam fourms and was sent a link about SecuROM.
I now want my money back, I do not want this on my PC, I wasnt made aware of what would be apllied to my HD in addition to the game and I think its disgusting.
Who should I call first 2k or Steam?
It's very sad that 2K Games just don't learn. They're the only company still using these damn internet activations. Even EA learned their lesson, why the heck can't you, 2K?
I'd call Steam first, since that is the place that you pre-ordered first, and if nothing happens, I'd take it up with 2K.
PS- Welcome to the forums
LOL, I think I'll pass. I'm not going to infest my system with Securom.
A man chooses. A slave obeys.
I really don't see how a future "patch" would make it more acceptable. The DVD you bought is still useless without some file that might be on your hard-drive or floating around on the web somewhere.
The whole idea about online activation pisses me off since I don't regard the ability to play the game whenver I like in the future as some sort of luxury but as my bloody right as a customer.
I don't know about you guys but I am willing to bet a 100 $ without a blink of an eye that a cracked version of Bioshock 2 will be up on the torrentsites the same day (if not hour) as it is being released commercially, rendering this stupid Securom-protection useless anyway.
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/52...ealed#comments
really insane protections... almost like no reason to buy it and have problems later
Some people don't accept DRM of any form, some people are fairly tolerant of it but maybe have some case that is a deal-breaker for them (e.g. outside supported GFWL country, no GFLW access at uni, no internet access for SP, bad experience with securom, dislike activating online for SP, etc.).
2K seems to have went out of its way to exclude them all.
Even for people who would otherwise end up having no problems, theres just so many potential banana skins that it's just not worth the hassle. That VE3D post uses the same phrase I used earlier "hoop jumping".
I want to give you my money and enjoy the game, 2K, I do - I have PC Special Edition on pre-order - but im considering renting it on xbox 360 instead (read: no $ for you)
Seems like I won't buy Bioshock 2 anytime soon then. I wait until 2012 when I can buy it for $5 or less on a Steam holiday sale
With so many interesting games being released in first half of 2010 I'm in no need to play it right now anyway.
And I'm a guy who rushed out to get Bioshock CE back when it was released and later bought a copy on Steam too. I think a cheap copy on Steam of Bioshock 2 will be enough this time.
Last edited by Freddo; 01-20-2010 at 05:10 AM.
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