X800 users: Warning

[Twinsen]

BioShock apparently does not support x800 and earlier video cards even though they are more powerful than some later cards. There is an ATI hotfix that is supposed to cure this and is 97mb in size.

The ATI hotfix does absolutely nothing at all but waste your time. It will not fix any problems. If you have an x800 video card, you will not see a cursor in game menus and will have almost zero visuals rendered in the game. The game is completely unplayable to you right now.

If you set your mind on trying to get the game to work, get ready to have to sit through exactly 9.57 hours of 2K introduction graphics to the game, followed by an NVidia advertisement. Only one introduction video can you skip, the other 19 you have to watch. Remember that you have to sit through these videos every single time that you restart the game, because 2K has to remind you literally upwards of 50 times (that's seriously not an exaggeration) that 2K is the developer of the game that you cannot get to work.

x800 users, do not purchase this game until 2K gets their act together and makes the game support graphics cards that were new 1 year ago. If I can run Oblivion on 'very high settings' I should be able to load one pixel of the surface of the water in the beginning of the game.

In summation:
~2K makes BioShock.
~BioShock (made by 2K) does not support x800 cards as of yet.
~2K makes BioShock (by 2K).
~BioShock is produced by 2K.
~2K developed BioShock.
~2K is the reason you cannot play BioShock.
~2K.
~2K reccomends NVidia video cards for playing BioShock (by 2K).
~2K, 2K 2K. 2K, 2K. 2K: 2K, 2K, 2K, 2K, 2K, and 2K.
~Flashing 'eXXXtreme' 2K visuals produced by 2K.
~2
~K
~.

[Mr_nonick]

It was known a long, long time ago that the game wouldn't support SM2.0. It's also clearly stated in the system requirements. So how is this news to anyone?

[KamikaZe]

stop whining loser. Everyone knew this Just buy a ☺☺☺☺ing new card already

[Twinsen]

*WOOSH*
2K!2K!2K!

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Well, I didn't feel the need to deeply research the game before I purchased it. I figured that since I can run any other PC game in the entire world (read that again) that I figured I'd be able to run this one at minimum settings.

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[mdk]

yes i'm sorry for this but x800 is kinda old i mean 2-3 years.Yes it beats the crap out of 6600 but it does not support Pixel Shader 3.that's the reason you can play Oblivion on very high because it's using Pixel Shader 2.With Pixel Shader 3 even an 8800gts card has troubles on very high , especialy in the Forest.

If you are a Ati Fan you could go with ATI x1950 PRO, beats the crap out of geforce 8600 series, but no DX 10 support.

[KamikaZe]

*WOOSH*
2K!2K!2K!

This post brought to you by 2K.

Well, I didn't feel the need to deeply research the game before I purchased it. I figured that since I can run any other PC game in the entire world (read that again) that I figured I'd be able to run this one at minimum settings.

This post brought to you by 2K.

What about the system requirements idiot! You should read them. Might actually help for once

[Jazza]

I figured that since I can run any other PC game in the entire world (read that again) .

Try Splinter Cell: Double Agent

[KamikaZe]

Try Splinter Cell: Double Agent

just let him. he think's he is so special that he should create a thread for himself while these system requirements were known last frikin month already

[RustInPieces]

This is a common problem for X800 users, ATi didn't include SM3 when Nvidia did and now you guys suffer.

Although I doubt an X800 would be able to run the game on anything higher than low anyway.

[Twinsen]

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I don't really support either video card company, neither has done everything right yet. They both have downsides each generation. The problem is that the game costs $50, very few people are willing to spend an additional $150 to upgrade their already very capable machine to TRY OUT one game and then have worse performance on ALL of their other games.

Do you guys all assume that everybody has SM3.0 cards?

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[KamikaZe]

The problem is that the game costs $50, very few people are willing to spend an additional $150 to upgrade their already very capable machine to TRY OUT one game and then have worse performance on ALL of their other games.

Demo anyone? THAT"S WHY WE WANTED A DEMO TO TEST IT OUT!!!!

Do you guys all assume that everybody has SM3.0 cards?

Yes

[Mr_nonick]

The SM3.0 is ATi's screwup, you should complain on their forums. I'm not a Nvdia fanboy btw, I have a X1950. They didn't include it in their X8xx cards while Nvidia did include it in their entire 6xxx series.
I'm sure there are still people with DX8 cards, do you see them complaining about the lack of DX8 support?

[Arioch]

Don't worry. You'll play Crysis with your X800.

[Twinsen]

Well, you guys can mock me for not jacking off over something that only BioShock insiders would have any clue about.
Thousands of people with year old cards are going to buy this game in the coming weeks that have no idea what SM even is and are going to return the game. 2K (2K, 2K!) is probably going to take action once they get complaints from retailers of massive returns. The people with the knowledge of the SM requirement on this forum will represent what, a thousandth of the buyers of this game? I doubt even that much.

Anyway, this thread wasn't about me. It's a warning to x800 users. 2K.

[FISKER_Q]

Well, you guys can mock me for not jacking off over something that only BioShock insiders would have any clue about.
Thousands of people with year old cards are going to buy this game in the coming weeks that have no idea what SM even is and are going to return the game. 2K (2K, 2K!) is probably going to take action once they get complaints from retailers of massive returns. The people with the knowledge of the SM requirement on this forum will represent what, a thousandth of the buyers of this game? I doubt even that much.

Anyway, this thread wasn't about me. It's a warning to x800 users. 2K.

Look on the other side of the gamebox retard.

[Twinsen]

This topic bumped for 2K.

[Jerry]

Year old.......

I have had an x800 since 04.

Maybe you should have researched what features your card has and any one with half a brain would have checked the specs required for Bioshock.

[Twinsen]

Yeah, it is the fault of x800 owners. Rrrg. Shame on us for buying a good card. We should base all of our buying decisions on a game that came out less than 2 hours ago.

[Twinsen]

2K reminds you to remember 2K.

[Jerry]

Yes it is your fault, you made an uninformed purchase. Now you've come on here to whine.

You should base your buying decisons on many factors, one of which is future proofing. You picked up a cheap 3 year old card and now expect it to run a spanking new game.

[harl3quin]

hi,in this growing market of GPU's u should now that x800 won't last more then 1-2 years,the graphics cards are just keeping evolving too fast and to powerful.Even thought on the majority of the gamers they have 6600GT and a procesor of 2800+,why ? nobody knows

The games are evolving with splendid engines and gameplay but in order to keep playing them is to buy hardware mainstream or high-end to be in pace at least 2 years.This is the curse of PC GAMERS.2K arent't responsible for using UNREAL ENGINE 3.0 that don't support x800 and others cards.If they would use other engine it wouldn't look and feel so good the game

Best wishes,harl3quin

[Twinsen]

The last 2 posts are correct, but hey this topic is a warning to x800 users. I'm willing to let 2K figure this all out as I assume this game is going to be great. But in the mean time, I'm warning x800 users that they can't play the game yet.


2K.

[Arioch]

2K arent't responsible for using UNREAL ENGINE 3.0 that don't support x800 and others cards

You're wrong (I think I've said this a lot of times during the last hours). Unreal Engine 3 SUPPORTS SM2. It's an Irrational decision to make the game only with SM3.

Regards

[Mr_nonick]

It is clearly stated in the requirements, it's clearly stated on the box, it's clearly stated on every forum imaginable, it's clearly stated in every PC review. So thank you for the warning.

[FISKER_Q]

The last 2 posts are correct, but hey this topic is a warning to x800 users. I'm willing to let 2K figure this all out as I assume this game is going to be great. But in the mean time, I'm warning x800 users that they can't play the game yet.


2K.

There's nothing to warn about as the game does not meet the minimum requirements they should not be in that problem regardless.

[Twinsen]

It is clearly stated in the requirements, it's clearly stated on the box, it's clearly stated on every forum imaginable, it's clearly stated in every PC review. So thank you for the warning.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=602522

[kojicolnair]

I used to have an x800 and even I knew that it didnt support sm3.0. I remember trying numerous games that wouldnt work because of that fact so I dont know how you can play "every game in the world". Upgraded to 8800gtx so now I can =P. And if you go with your thinking they should make the game work perfectly with my old windows 3.1 computer and not upgrade the graphics of new pc games ever because I'd have to... omg spend money and not be a cheapo!

[FISKER_Q]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=602522

Your point being?

[Twinsen]

Well you guys all know what I'm talking about. It's not like I'm running a Pentium 2 with 32mb of RAM and whining that the game runs slow. I'm saying that the game does not run AT ALL. People have been getting mixed messages from different sources saying that 2.0 will or won't be supported. I think it's good to tell them now that it is not supported as of now.

[Twinsen]

Your point being?

Tim Sweeney: Optimization is still ongoing, so these numbers change on a daily basis. In general, our Unreal Engine 3 games run quite well on DirectX9 class hardware that NVidia and ATI released in 2006 and later, and amazingly well on the high-end cards including DirectX 10 cards. We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.

We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.
We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.
We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.
We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.


Somebody read that and thought it meant they were good to go with an x800. I'm sure somebody did...

[FISKER_Q]

Well you guys all know what I'm talking about. It's not like I'm running a Pentium 2 with 32mb of RAM and whining that the game runs slow. I'm saying that the game does not run AT ALL. People have been getting mixed messages from different sources saying that 2.0 will or won't be supported. I think it's good to tell them now that it is not supported as of now.

They do, in the system requirements.

[Twinsen]

They do, in the system requirements.

Yeah well screw you, I want my BioShox. MOM!

[FISKER_Q]

Tim Sweeney: Optimization is still ongoing, so these numbers change on a daily basis. In general, our Unreal Engine 3 games run quite well on DirectX9 class hardware that NVidia and ATI released in 2006 and later, and amazingly well on the high-end cards including DirectX 10 cards. We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.

We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.
We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.
We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.
We also support Shader Model 2.0 hardware with minimal visual difference.


Somebody read that and thought it meant they were good to go with an x800. I'm sure somebody did...

Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product
Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product
Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product
Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product

[Twinsen]

Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product
Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product
Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product
Just because they support it does not mean they will implement it in another product

You forgot to use smilies, that would completed the mocking.

[Mr_nonick]

That's about the capabilities of the UE3.0 engine. What the hell does that matter to Bioshock? The devs chose to go for SM3.0, they don't have to give SM2.0 support just because the engine can do it.
Irrational Games have stated, several times, that the game would NOT support SM2.0. So you either buy a new card and play the game, or you just don't upgrade and do not play the game. It's not like they scamming you.

[FISKER_Q]

You forgot to use smilies, that would completed the mocking.

I apoligise.

[Arioch]

Lol Lol Lol!

[Twinsen]

That's about the capabilities of the UE3.0 engine. What the hell does that matter to Bioshock? The devs chose to go for SM3.0, they don't have to give SM2.0 support just because the engine can do it.
Irrational Games have stated, several times, that the game would NOT support SM2.0. So you either buy a new card and play the game, or you just don't upgrade and do not play the game. It's not like they scamming you.

They sure aren't. But did I mention that the game doesn't work with x800 series cards?

[kojicolnair]

x800 sucks thats all there is to it. I have one so I would know(its in a power supply box atm).

[FISKER_Q]

They sure aren't. But did I mention that the game doesn't work with x800 series cards?

No i think you need to repeat a bit more, and in larger fontsizes please.