Thoughts on Eleanor *Possible spoilers inside!*

[RonXsilva85]

Spoiler!!!!!!!

maybe idk






Well I am sorta new even tho iv been reading these forums for awhile but I have a question that has been itching at me and I want your guys opinon and sorry if this question has been asked

We all know Elenor is alot older now 10 years but do you think she looks physically older? I read somewhere that those ADAM slugs would stop the growth of a lil sister (i could be wrong about that) so im wondering does Elenor look like a teen or does she still look like a lil sister what do you think?

[Judgeofwings]

Well I am sorta new even tho iv been reading these forums for awhile but I have a question that has been itching at me and I want your guys opinon and sorry if this question has been asked

We all know Elenor is alot older now 10 years but do you think she looks physically older? I read somewhere that those ADAM slugs would stop the growth of a lil sister (i could be wrong about that) so im wondering does Elenor look like a teen or does she still look like a lil sister what do you think?

Thats actually a very good question.One would think that being ten years later she would at least be a teenager(between 15-19),but yesterday gamespot put up a new interview in which they showed some clips from the game.One thing that struck me as interesting was when they were talking about how Eleanor would leave you presents at the Gatherer's Garden they showed a little clip of it in which there was a wagon filled with things from Eleanor with writing on both the wall and floor that said "From Eleanor" and "Please Hurry Daddy",which leads me to believe that she still might be a little girl,if not then it is possible that she is a teen stuck in an innocent child-like mindset.

[RonXsilva85]

Lol yeah after watching that video I had to make a thread on the topic

[Walter lebowski]

you should definitly spoiler tag your title pronto or get ready screamed at

[Judgeofwings]

you should definitly spoiler tag your title pronto or get ready screamed at

Well technically a name is not a spoiler,rather,revealing core story elements might be considered more along the lines of spoilers.

[RonXsilva85]

yeah i was pretty sure that name was pretty commonly known but anything beyond that would be consider a spoiler

[soundwave145]

i believe hes seeing things kinda like shes talking to him thru the mind and last time her saw her she was young so its a manifestation of what her thinks and remembers her as

[RonXsilva85]

I would like it if she was still little but of course give some sort of explanation it would give it that sort of odd and bizarre creepy feeling that Bioshock has always given us but who knows what will happen

[Blacklash93]

I'm wondering why she's being so elusive and evasive of you. She's obviously guiding you to something far more sinister than just some escape route to the surface.

[Grimhound]

I'm wondering why she's being so elusive and evasive of you. She's obviously guiding you to something far more sinister than just some escape route to the surface.

Gives me a creepy Jenova vibe. (I'm intentionally being vague in saying that, as I don't want to spoil it if it turns out correct.)

Also: The SG-1 episode "Learning Curve" comes to mind.

[RonXsilva85]

I'm wondering why she's being so elusive and evasive of you. She's obviously guiding you to something far more sinister than just some escape route to the surface.

Interesting thought maybe that will be the major plot twist whatever it may be

[Raab]

It would be really weird if EL did not get any older, or grow up. Why would she be the only LS who didn't get any older, it would seemingly cancel out the reason the BS's exist.

[Grimhound]

I just have to add this. This is something currently in my head regarding the nature of Elenor. It's also one of the best episodes of the show.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/73462/star...learning-curve

[RonXsilva85]

It would be really weird if EL did not get any older, or grow up. Why would she be the only LS who didn't get any older, it would seemingly cancel out the reason the BS's exist.

well remeber i forget who said it but it was refering to the Big sisters where the girls or girl not sure was one of the lil sisters that went to the surface with Jack and that they could not let Rapture go mentally and returned and since they where too old to be a little sister they turn them into the Big sisters i read that somewhere on these fourms

[Raab]

That really has nothing to do with EL. in the ending trailer, many LS's are with Jack, and tenebaum had saved the rest. Even in the trailer of the LS on the surface, she had aged, and grown up since her departure from Rapture.

[RonXsilva85]

all im saying is that there might be a side affect of the ADAM slug in the lil sisters could stun growth assuming EL even has one the fact being we just dont know we can only assume

[soviet prince]

so it is conformed that her last name is lamb, whould that be giving up a lot of the delta's past because now we know he is realted to lamb

also mb they bs grew up do to being saved, with the slug they can not grow

[Using-Plasmids-All-Day!]

so it is conformed that her last name is lamb, whould that be giving up a lot of the delta's past because now we know he is realted to lamb

Maybe, maybe not...

[soviet prince]

Maybe, maybe not...

I hope she is not his wife or it will be to obvious now they gave her last name

[Arcadia]

I have been torturing myself recently with knowing how much new stuff is out there for Bioshock 2. I have not been watching any of it. I had decided that rather than see it now, I'd much rather wait for the game to come out and learn it all first-hand, I had decided that I would prefer it if everything was new when I finally got to play.

Despite what people seem to think here, many of us DON'T want to know everything there is to know about this game before it's released, and frankly it bothers me that people don't seem to care what-so-ever. Discuss to your hearts content, but it's entirely unthoughtful to put stuff like that directly in the thread titles.

I'm sorry if I come across as nasty, I really am, but this is incredibly unfair...

[Judgeofwings]

I have been torturing myself recently with knowing how much new stuff is out there for Bioshock 2. I have not been watching any of it. I had decided that rather than see it now, I'd much rather wait for the game to come out and learn it all first-hand, I had decided that I would prefer it if everything was new when I finally got to play.

Despite what people seem to think here, many of us DON'T want to know everything there is to know about this game before it's released, and frankly it bothers me that people don't seem to care what-so-ever. Discuss to your hearts content, but it's entirely unthoughtful to put stuff like that directly in the thread titles.

I'm sorry if I come across as nasty, I really am, but this is incredibly unfair...

I understand,i have reviewed the thread title and agree it could spoil things for others.I have changed the title of the thread,but i understand that there will be more threads like this in the future.

Also i'd like to remind everybody of the rules of these forums: http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...11&postcount=1

Especially this rule:

Please be aware that the Bioshock 2 Forum may contain Bioshock 1 spoilers in many threads. Members are not required to use spoiler tags in the BioShock 2 forum when discussing BioShock 1.

**Note, please try and keep spoilers out of THREAD TITLES as they can be seen by the general forum if they happen to be the most recent thread.**

Whenever you make a thread about a new gameplay video you saw,do not post spoilers from that video in the title,rather make it general(i.e 12/8 gametrailers BS2 interview *spoilers inside*).

[Arcadia]

Thank you, I really do appreciate it.

I realize you can't help what people title their threads as, and I wouldn't be as annoyed if it hadn't been left alone for three days, despite someone else already having pointed out that it may bother some people.

Anyway, I'm sorry for my little outburst, and thanks again for the help.

[japester]

I have been torturing myself recently with knowing how much new stuff is out there for Bioshock 2. I have not been watching any of it. I had decided that rather than see it now, I'd much rather wait for the game to come out and learn it all first-hand, I had decided that I would prefer it if everything was new when I finally got to play.

Not trying to be mean here, but if you want every last detail to be a surprise perhaps a BioShock 2 discussion forum isn't the place to be.

See, there is a huge difference between "spoilers" and "info". Eleanor's name is info. Why? Because you honestly don't know how it's going to play out. Do you think 2K is going to take the obvious route? Now, if someone told you how the main characters are related (if at all) and what happens to them, that is a spoiler.

It's kind of like hearing a joke. If I go up to you and say, "Hey, ask Jake to tell you his new joke. It's hysterical! It involves a fireman, a priest, and an acrobat who walk into a bar. It's a riot!" Did I just spoil the joke? No. If I told you the punchline, I would spoil it. Because then there is no reason to hear it.

Spoilers flat out ruin a game by giving away the ending or major plot points. Knowing some juicy tidbits and how the pieces are arranged on the board does NOT tell you the outcome of the game.

To put it in perspective, quite a few of our regulars felt BS2 was completely ruined because of the "spoiler" back in April that you play as a Big Daddy. And we tried to embargo that info for a while. Can you see how ridiculous that is in retrospect? Almost every thread since then has had fun speculating about what, exactly, being the PBD means, what it will be like, etc. Every time we learn more info, it opens up even more possibilities and more mysteries.

[Codex]

To be perfectly honest with you, Jape, I agree. But, that is after some severe time thinking over the "spoiler" since it came out.

Simply put, what both Arcadia and I agree on is that it should not have been posted in the thread title. Several people haven't seen anything since the embargo came up, and if someone is just on the forums to read the SitS thread, which is mercifully "spoiler" free, and they read a title like the one this thread had, they cannot control what information they get applied to them.

Yes, Elanor's name is a "fact," or a piece of "info," but it is still enough to create some serious speculation as to where the game is going to go. If someone were to guess right, for example (and it can happen, knowing that 2k doesn't think inside the box is a great place to start for some wild and wacky theories), and then play the game, they will still feel a little cheated.

As I said to Judge, I really think it should be kept from thread titles. Arcadia was "spoiled" because it was in the title, and is contrary to this particular quote as laid down by Liz which is still in effect until after the game comes out:

As for SPOILERS, please remember that some people don't want to read every piece of information available about games and save some of that experience for the day they play. When you are talking about in depth information found in articles and previews, please post in your thread title if there are spoilers. If you are writing something that contains a spoiler within a general thread, please use the spoiler tag for that portion of your post.

it should not have been posted in the open for all to see. That's all we're asking for, and half of the argument is coming from one of those who has read every scrap of information about the game that they can thus far (me).

I understand that it shouldn't be treated as straight up spoiler material, rather story-determining questionable intent info (SDQII. Catchy, eh?), but putting it in thread titles where people have no choice but to read it and denying a portion of the forum the ability to choose how much information they absorb is just plain unfair.

[japester]

I can see where you're coming from, but to me "speculation" is a good thing. In fact, it's one of the main purposes for this forum. As far as someone guessing correctly, that will happen whether info is provided or not. (The internet is the real-world equivalent of the old "infinite # of monkeys typing on an infinite # of typewriters" saying--they will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare if given enough time, LOL).

We've been discussing spoilers with 2K Elizabeth for quite a while now, trying to figure out the best way to please everyone. Another quote from her basically says that "anything released to the press prior to launch isn't a spoiler". All of this is basically teaser info, meant to get people excited and speculating. 2K would have to be grossly incompetent to knowingly spoil their own game months before launch.

We are sure to see more info and more layers added as we get closer to launch. Where do we draw the line? Should we still be adding "spoiler alert" tags to every thread that discusses playing as the PBD? Or is that common knowledge? Will Eleanor's name be common knowledge in a month's time? Or should we put spoiler alerts on every thread excetp SitS and generic, "I like Bioshock! I can't wait to play!" threads?

We like hearing everyone's opinion, so don't think I'm trying to shut you down. But I feel the need to supply a voice of reason, because there is almost a hysteria about "Brain bleach! I've learned a new fact! The game experience will be diminished!" Looking back at BS1, there are 3 things I would consider spoilers. Just three. And I bet you and every other person on here could name them and agree. If you heard "Sander Cohen" or "crossbow" or "Olympus Heights" back in the day, I doubt it would have ruined, or even diminished, BS1 in any significant way.

[Codex]

Heck, I love speculation. I do actually believe it was someone's voice of reason that pulled me back from my initial shock over the Lamb connection (very good ploy on that piece of info), and I do trust intently in 2k and that they won't spoil the game even with info like that. It was just such a visceral reaction to it, to something that I thought I would never see, that I honestly thought the world was ending. How could they give away such a seemingly important plot point so early before the game came out? It seemed like treachery! I, a loyal fan had been given the main motivation for the game! Why, oh why, had this happened?

After a week, I realized it COULDN'T be that important. That didn't diminish the memory of how visceral that realization was. I agree that it is going to be impossible to shelter everyone in the coming months, or even to spoiler tag every thread that comes through. Your guy's job is hard enough with all the spam bots lurking to then on top of everything police every thread and post that comes up. I'm not knocking that, I really am not, and I also appreciate your comments (though not the knocking of the brain bleach. It is a very important, non-existent entity ). The big "but" of the issue is still surrounding the common decency of posters to maybe police their own (not each others mind, their own) posts. Yes, there are a great many posters who weren't around before the embargo lift, and they are as welcome to share and post as others around them, and they don't know of the stigma that came about on the day that the Lamb relation was discovered (like I didn't know about the PBD issues). I still feel things should be kept out of the thread titles. Maybe that is a personal preference that is not shared across the majority of the forum, but I still think that thread titles can be made to be as descriptive as possible without actually using (and I use the word in inverted commas because I am too tired to think of a better one) "spoilers" to describe it. That's really all I am asking, is to make more "descriptive" titles without putting in "spoiler" materials.

[japester]

I recognize and appreciate your big but, Codex.

[Codex]

I recognize and appreciate your big but, Codex.

Its probably bad that I giggled at that. I need sleep. And I promise I'm done being off-topic now.

[japester]

No worries. It's a bit OT for this thread, but it's relevant to everything going on as a whole right now.

And I think it's important to take a break and laugh at ourselves from time to time as a reminder that, ultimately, this is all about having fun.

[Donut232]

In the new IGN interview with Hogarth De La Plante, which can be read here: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1053389p2.html and in the specific topic for it, he says this as part of one of his answers:

This time around, I feel like the story is a little more personal to you as a character. I think that Sophia Lamb and her daughter, who you're pursuing through the game, who you were bonded to as a Big Daddy and Little Sister and you learn about that at the beginning of the game...

I bolded the point Im trying to make.

[Ga1Friday]

Thats actually a very good question.One would think that being ten years later she would at least be a teenager(between 15-19),but yesterday gamespot put up a new interview in which they showed some clips from the game.One thing that struck me as interesting was when they were talking about how Eleanor would leave you presents at the Gatherer's Garden they showed a little clip of it in which there was a wagon filled with things from Eleanor with writing on both the wall and floor that said "From Eleanor" and "Please Hurry Daddy",which leads me to believe that she still might be a little girl,if not then it is possible that she is a teen stuck in an innocent child-like mindset.

Spolierish ideas/Stuff from BioShock 1 Below!

I don't think that it is Eleanor at all, maybe those gifts are left by someone malicious in her name... I mean it's not like "Atlas" was ever really around, what proof is there that Eleanor is really trotting around Rapture leaving presents....
perhaps more importantly if it is her and if she can leave presents in places for Delta to find them that implies that she will know where he is going to be and if that's true why doesn't she just stay put and be saved??

[Kyburz]

In the new IGN interview with Hogarth De La Plante, which can be read here: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1053389p2.html and in the specific topic for it, he says this as part of one of his answers:



I bolded the point Im trying to make.

Thanks Donut, that's the first time it has been confirmed that Eleanor is Sophia's daughter. I am sure there are plenty of extra plot twists we can't even conceive of though.

Spolierish ideas/Stuff from BioShock 1 Below!

I don't think that it is Eleanor at all, maybe those gifts are left by someone malicious in her name... I mean it's not like "Atlas" was ever really around, what proof is there that Eleanor is really trotting around Rapture leaving presents....
perhaps more importantly if it is her and if she can leave presents in places for Delta to find them that implies that she will know where he is going to be and if that's true why doesn't she just stay put and be saved??

Good question, it almost makes one ponder whether or not this whole journey to Fontaine Futuristics might be some kind of trap.

[japester]

I bolded the point Im trying to make.

I'm not sure I understand. How is a direct quote "making a point"?

I'm going to laugh if this "huge discovery" is part of the intro 5 minutes of the game. Sounds like a basic premise to get the story started, not anywhere near the same level as, say, finding out who Jack's daddy was.

[Donut232]

I'm not sure I understand. How is a direct quote "making a point"?

Eh, I worded it wrong. Its what Im trying to bring to your attention

[japester]

Eh, I worded it wrong. Its what Im trying to bring to your attention

Okay. That makes more sense.

I goofed, too. I didn't notice until I re-read it that he even states that info is provided at the beginning of the game. Which means discovering the details promises to be one wild ride.

Perhaps this will calm some of the spoiler-sensitive folks down a bit. Heh, heh.

[Red Falcon]

Spolierish ideas/Stuff from BioShock 1 Below!

I don't think that it is Eleanor at all, maybe those gifts are left by someone malicious in her name... I mean it's not like "Atlas" was ever really around, what proof is there that Eleanor is really trotting around Rapture leaving presents....
perhaps more importantly if it is her and if she can leave presents in places for Delta to find them that implies that she will know where he is going to be and if that's true why doesn't she just stay put and be saved??

I've been thiking the same thing. When they said she was leaving clues behind for Delta to find, the first thing that popped into my mind was that Sofia Lamb is setting a trap to capture delta (For what reasons we can only speculate) or wants him to acomplish some task for her. And perhaps the real Eleanor Lamb (if she's still alive) will show up at some later point to help Delta out. (And thats assuming that she's not in league with the older Lamb.)



What a World 2k has created where we just don't know who to trust

[Donut232]

Perhaps this will calm some of the spoiler-sensitive folks down a bit. Heh, heh.

Hopefully. While watching the latest gamespot interview with Jordan, (you know the one where that little plane debate comes from), a friend of mine said to me "I kinda wish I hadn't found out all the details like this already. It's a lot" and I simply replied, "Its Bioshock, if they're releasing this stuff now, just think of what they're going to have in the game "

I think more people need that mentality.

[japester]

Hopefully. While watching the latest gamespot interview with Jordan, (you know the one where that little plane debate comes from), a friend of mine said to me "I kinda wish I hadn't found out all the details like this already. It's a lot" and I simply replied, "Its Bioshock, if they're releasing this stuff now, just think of what they're going to have in the game "

I think more people need that mentality.

^THIS.

Go back to April and read the several hundred posts saying, "Aw, I know we play as a Big Daddy! The game is ruined! I know exactly what it's going to be like now. We're going to be this slow, plodding guy...."

[Castaway]

^THIS.

Go back to April and read the several hundred posts saying, "Aw, I know we play as a Big Daddy! The game is ruined! I know exactly what it's going to be like now. We're going to be this slow, plodding guy...."

lol, brings a whole new meaning to the term "Don't judge a book by it's cover"

[mannyfresh10]

I got it! Eleanor is the main Big Sister and she is secretly helping you throughout the story. It all makes sense now.