I accidentally harvested a Little Sister and noticed....

[outlander]

The first time I played Bioshock, I ripped those little Frankenstiens apart like there was no tomorrow. Didn't feel bad about it until I got to Tannenbaum's little sister sanctuary. Felt worse when I saw the "bad" ending and the brutal way the little girls get treated.

That was back in '07 and I've been a "Sister Savior" ever since. Probably played it through close to 50 times and know the "Rescue" cut-scene like the back of my hand. So I'm rushing through another round of Bio and it's Big Daddy down and then my ears perk up and I start paying close attention.

Something looks weird.

It doesn't take me long to realize I must've squeezed the "Harvest" button. I cringe, but I pay close attention because I haven't seen this cut-scene in years.

Has anybody noticed that the animation is different? When you prepare to "Harvest" a L.S., she looks different. Less human. More monstrous. The mouth freakishly large and distorted.

What is the general conscensus [sp] on harvesting, anyway? To me it looks like Jack must jam his fist and forearm down their throats and rip the slug out of their abdominal tract.

< Bleah! >

[AK Downfall]

The first time I played Bioshock, I ripped those little Frankenstiens apart like there was no tomorrow. Didn't feel bad about it until I got to Tannenbaum's little sister sanctuary. Felt worse when I saw the "bad" ending and the brutal way the little girls get treated.

That was back in '07 and I've been a "Sister Savior" ever since. Probably played it through close to 50 times and know the "Rescue" cut-scene like the back of my hand. So I'm rushing through another round of Bio and it's Big Daddy down and then my ears perk up and I start paying close attention.

Something looks weird.

It doesn't take me long to realize I must've squeezed the "Harvest" button. I cringe, but I pay close attention because I haven't seen this cut-scene in years.

Has anybody noticed that the animation is different? When you prepare to "Harvest" a L.S., she looks different. Less human. More monstrous. The mouth freakishly large and distorted.

What is the general conscensus [sp] on harvesting, anyway? To me it looks like Jack must jam his fist and forearm down their throats and rip the slug out of their abdominal tract.

< Bleah! >

yeah i notice and its werid... but whats werid for me it that when i was rescuing a little sister a bouncer shoulded me out of the way and i still got the ADAM so then i killed the daddy and rescued her again and got more ADAM it was a WTF and haha moment
some funny glitch

[outlander]

I wonder if the 2K people intentionally make the Little Sisters seem less human if you go the harvest rout. I would rather be heroic than ruthlessly efficient so I don't harvest. As the father of a 7 year old little girl.... well, you know.

But maybe 2K figured they would help those hard as nails "sister-slayers" rationalize their actions by demonizing the tiny tykes a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be projecting a bit.

[rootbeertapper]

What is the general conscensus [sp] on harvesting, anyway? To me it looks like Jack must jam his fist and forearm down their throats and rip the slug out of their abdominal tract.

< Bleah! >

When you harvest a little sister a large cloud of green gas blocks the players view. Gas that forms that quickly around the player (which is assumed) means that Jack most likely rips the girl in half at the torso and then removes the slug. When the gas clears you can see Jack lift his hand upward away from the ground and probably the parts of the girl are in a pile below his feet. The ESRB prohibits violence against children in video games (I think most countries do) so that theory could be flawed if the gas just acts as a 'censor' and no real explanation is supposed to be given, and comes down to imagination. Based on what is preseneted though it appears to be that way. McClintock also makes an observation when she mentions the gruesome way that splicers got ADAM from a unprotected little sister in one of her audio diaries. (Ripping someone apart don't get much more gruesome)

There is no answer as to where the slug lives in the body but we know its not in the brain. BS2 will give a creepy look at just how the slugs are extracted from the girls. I mentioned this a while back but the only methods are vaginal extraction, ripping the girl apart, or oral extraction by some sort of tube. I thought at first the girls could simply vomit the slugs up but that doesn't appear to be possible since the slug is attached inside the body. Since the host can't live without the slug inside them the host dies shortly after extraction.

[Ga1Friday]

I wonder if the 2K people intentionally make the Little Sisters seem less human if you go the harvest rout. I would rather be heroic than ruthlessly efficient so I don't harvest. As the father of a 7 year old little girl.... well, you know.

But maybe 2K figured they would help those hard as nails "sister-slayers" rationalize their actions by demonizing the tiny tykes a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be projecting a bit.

I was always curious about this, I mean at first it seemed like that was no right or wrong answer because both Atlas and Tenenbaum made good arguments... but the game really did seem to favor one decision.

[outlander]

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There is no answer as to where the slug lives in the body but we know its not in the brain.

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One of the audio diaries mentions attaching the slugs to the stomach.

[outlander]

I was always curious about this, I mean at first it seemed like that was no right or wrong answer because both Atlas and Tenenbaum made good arguments... but the game really did seem to favor one decision.

Since Tannenbaum has developed a plasmid that allows the "morbid little moppets" to be removed from their life support systems and live, I believe anyone who chooses the "harvest" route is voluntarily choosing the "Dark Side" if you will.

I do not intentionally harvest.

[Ga1Friday]

Since Tannenbaum has developed a plasmid that allows the "morbid little moppets" to be removed from their life support systems and live, I believe anyone who chooses the "harvest" route is voluntarily choosing the "Dark Side" if you will.

I do not intentionally harvest.

Well, yes I know that, I guess what I mean is that for a brief moment it seems that there is no right or wrong answer, the girls are creepy little creatures that are no longer little girls, I mean if you believe Atlas from the get go and harvest everyone based on what Atlas told you then you would have no way of knowing that Tenenbaum was telling the truth until her safe house... would you?

[rootbeertapper]

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There is no answer as to where the slug lives in the body but we know its not in the brain.

QUOTE]

One of the audio diaries mentions attaching the slugs to the stomach.

Yes, but its contradicted by another diary/message that says the slugs move around in the host.

[Whitey_347]

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Yes, but its contradicted by another diary/message that says the slugs move around in the host.

Which audio diary was that, cause i have no memory of such an audio diary ever existing

[rootbeertapper]

One diary mentions the slugs embedded in the lining of the hosts' stomach and another just says implated into the belly. I define belly different from stomach but that's just me. If the slug was placed in the belly it could 'move' around etc. Perhaps I am wrong sry.

[Ureh]

One diary mentions the slugs embedded in the lining of the hosts' stomach and another just says implated into the belly. I define belly different from stomach but that's just me. If the slug was placed in the belly it could 'move' around etc. Perhaps I am wrong sry.

Well, in one diary she's explaining in slightly scientific terms for laymen but in the other one she is simply talking about the children in general and doesn't go into much detail about the science.

The children must remain functional to be effective producers of ADAM. I had hoped we could place them into vegetative state, so they would be more pliable. I find being around them very uncomfortable. Even with those things implanted in their bellies, they are still children. They play, and sing. Sometimes they look at me, and they don't stop. Sometimes they smile.

The augmentation procedure is a success. The slugs alone could not provide enough Adam for serious work. But combined with the host... now we have something. The slug is embedded in the lining of the host's stomach and after the host feeds we induce regurgitation, and then we have twenty, thirty times the yield of usable Adam. The problem now is the shortage of hosts. Fontaine says, 'Patience, Tenenbaum. Soon the first home for Little Sisters will be open, and that problem will be solved...

Imo, she's still referring to the stomach when she says belly. I guess it still depends on how everyone interprets things.

[Venom Wolf]

Has anybody noticed that the animation is different? When you prepare to "Harvest" a L.S., she looks different. Less human. More monstrous. The mouth freakishly large and distorted.

< Bleah! >

Maybe its reflecting how Jack sees them, which is why he harvests them? My cousin is around about the same age as a LS, and when she first saw one she absolutely hated her and told me to kill it.

[Big Bad Sister]

Huh...funny, I never thought that the Little Sisters looked different in the harvesting animation from how they looked in the rescuing animation. They looked equally monstrous in both, because of the ADAM slug.

Well, yes I know that, I guess what I mean is that for a brief moment it seems that there is no right or wrong answer, the girls are creepy little creatures that are no longer little girls, I mean if you believe Atlas from the get go and harvest everyone based on what Atlas told you then you would have no way of knowing that Tenenbaum was telling the truth until her safe house... would you?

Since Tenenbaum made it perfectly possible for you to rescue the Little Sisters and return them to their normal state, which is rightfully theirs, there is truly no excuse to kill them.

I could never understand why people complained about receiving the "bad" ending after killing the Little Sisters. You reap what you sow...right?

Honestly, I have all the respect in the world for the people who harvested the Little Sisters and were not oh-so very !shocked! that they were smacked with the "bad" ending. After all, I am one of them.

[Dmaster305]

I never liked how 2k made it so easy to rescue and not harvest. It makes the moral choice so easy and useful. But honestly how many times is that true in real life? (Yes I know we are talking about a underwater city) I would have found the game more challenging if harvesting them was much easier than rescuing them, really drives the 'I need to live more than she does' arguement home.


I hope they make it easier to harvest than rescue in BS2

[outlander]

I never liked how 2k made it so easy to rescue and not harvest. It makes the moral choice so easy and useful. But honestly how many times is that true in real life? (Yes I know we are talking about a underwater city) I would have found the game more challenging if harvesting them was much easier than rescuing them, really drives the 'I need to live more than she does' arguement home.


I hope they make it easier to harvest than rescue in BS2

In all honesty, I agree with you on that. With all the teddy bears that Tenenbaum sends your way, you really aren't sacrificing all that much
adam by rescuing rather than harvesting. If there was a sizable disparity, rescuing would involve more self sacrifice on the player's part to be a rescuer rather than a harvester.

Maybe if there was a large difference in the adam disparity, and some of it was made up by special plasmids and tonics that only Tennenbaum could give you....

[Dmaster305]

In all honesty, I agree with you on that. With all the teddy bears that Tenenbaum sends your way, you really aren't sacrificing all that much
adam by rescueing rather than harvesting. If there was a sizable disparity, rescuing would involve more self sacrifice on the player's part to be a rescuer rather than a harvester.

Maybe if there was a large difference in the adam disparity, and some of it was made up by special plasmids and tonics that only Tennenbaum could give you....

Thats another thing that bugged me, if it was a moral decision why do you get rewarded with something like a gift? I am pretty sure doing something out of the kindness of your heart isn't something you need to be rewarded with.

[outlander]

Well, she may not portray it this way, but it is definitely in Tenenbaum's self interest that Jack not only survive but also continue down the rescue pathway. So, it may come across as altruism, but Dr. T. definitely has an ulterior motive behind her "gifts".

[AK Downfall]

Well, she may not portray it this way, but it is definitely in Tenenbaum's self interest that Jack not only survive but also continue down the rescue pathway. So, it may come across as altruism, but Dr. T. definitely has an ulterior motive behind her "gifts".

the gifts were a trunk key of tennenbums to persway jack into rescueing and not harvesting. i barely rescue cause the only thing that is useful from those gifts is the big daddy plasmid and i barely use that.

[BIG MOMMY]

Everyones seen how Jack can just rescue the Little Sisters no problem.... So maby he can just touch her and use incinerate and she explodes intovgreen smoke and the slug falls in your hand.