Well if both players move settler and both players probably wanna move closer to the middle of the map were the action are. Then you will start close and the game will end in the early rushes.. often buttonraces will determine who wins..Originally Posted by SVPM
I'm not that fond in starting close and often I don't walk or just walk for a couple of turns.
*cheers*
*cheers*
i played an extremely frustrating game last night as rome vs zulu. i walked a couple turns and settled on a hill with 2 trees and plains
(1 plain hidden by a barb). as i prepared to head north a zulu appeared on a hill 2 spaces away. i couldn't let him by to steal all my gold so i went to a tree choke between us, knowing he'd attack 1.5-1.5. he won, but i rushed another warrior and killed his wounded warrior. i snuck it by him to steal a barb a few spots away, and then prepared a WA to stop his inevitable attack. he brought his WA over, but never attacked. he instead sent 2 archers to camp my trees. i wasn't worried. as i had ample gold and sent a WA and horse south. i eventually took kyoto with the pyramid, and then bejjing with a fundy HA and WA from a hill. i cleared him off my forests and things were looking great. i went back to republic and made some cities, then found irrigation still available. then BAM, just like that he gets monarchy. the next turn he uses his free gs on feud, and forms a KA with the KT. i was totally unprepared. if i had switched back to fundy sooner, or went for math instead of irr., i might have been ok. i made a horrible tactical blunder by sending a vet archer into the choke on the WA i had there. i realized it screwed my counter chances and pulled the WA back. of course he overran it and had 1st shot at rome. i lost a 12-9 with my HA and my vet LA ended up defending over my vet archer. i rage quit instantly upon losing the city, even though i might have managed to get to cats before losing any others. i was just so pissed at myself for being suprised like that.
In retrospect, what would you have done differently at Rome with your vet archer?
i needed to leave the WA in place, then prepare to immediatly kill his knights with either my LA or HA (attacking at 12 against hopefully wounded knights. i needed to do this quick before he could bring down his AA. by leaving the archer in rome i would have also had a good chance to form an AA with 18 defense. to the more knowledgable ones, would my single vet archers have defended over the vet LA and HA?
If it was fortified.
It's one thing I hate, losing an attacking force when there is a defensive unit there.
I think I've learned now that inside a city, it's simply the biggest defensive number that will be chosen (am I right in thinking it will chose an army over a single unit if defence numbers are the same?)
Outside a city - will the defensive unit always take the hit?
Inside a city- If units have same defense then i think the cheaper unit will be the defender. So since your army was obviously more expensive than your single archer the archer should defend. That's what it says in civilopedia, anyway. IIRC.
i think thats why i was so pissed, i dispaced the fortified archer in a moment of haste. that KA shocked me in its speed. not cool under pressure.
there was a very detailed thread last year regarding what will defend immediatly. i'm sure if you have a chance to fortify a turn the defensive unit will take the hit no matter what.
Just had a classic My Arabs vs Spain matchup in my first MP match since being back..
Walk a bit to get closer to the action, settle between Aztecs and Germans with Madrid just south of me. I get a WA up and send to Madrid, but he has an AA up already so I camp his only tree. HA takes out 2nd German production city and Berlin, followed by Aztec cap. Spain has gotten up a wall in Madrid and settling islands.
Storing production in two cities and expanding from others, I tech up to Nav, get a galleon fleet with an AA and 2 CAs. Attack one of his cities with my CAs from the fleet and take it in 1 turn. Followed by a GA flip of the only other island city I can see. Then he quits.
Nothing new or very exciting, but he had a small tech lead and must have been feeling pretty safe.
got in 1 game last night, a ffa vs doody man and a couple others. i was england and doody was india. i took stonhenge egypt with a WA. doody took japan somehow. i knew he was south, and headed that way with a WA and some archers. when i got there i flipped kypto. i also discovered ai paris nearby (i later stole a ga and gl from them). i went on to settle as much of the mainland as possible. there were no artifacts except for atlantis so i never went to sea. i was expecting a mass attack so i had to prepare defense and counters in key spots. he kept on going and managed eitc with a gb. he had to feel pretty confident after he took atlantis and led 24-16 in tech. i finally got going in democracy and finished banking with about 120 tech. i immediatly gs'd both money techs, then did oxford a couple turns later. i didn't want bombers, and i really didn't want him to get the corp bonus, so i settled for 1/2 price uni's. he showed up at thebes with KA's and a cruiser fleet just as i reached steam. i had enough gold to immediatly form a fleet, but with only 1 sea square by thebes i couldn't support my defenders. instead i dropped 2 elite single cats next to his force and beat them up the next turn.. he attacked my fleet but lost. i then set out to harrass his islands and he rushed steel with a gs. he came back with a battleship fleet and could have taken london and/or thebes, but he instead took the bait and chased my cruiser fleet out to sea. it gave me the turns i needed to get elite riflemen in both cities. i used the cats to take an island city and steel from him. at the same time another fleet took paris. i would have battleships at dehli in 3 or 4 turns. he brought the fleet next to the captured city and i moved the cruisers off shore. i was waiting to see what he would drop and then decide if i should move the cruiser back in to defend. he instead tells me my long turns are boring him and thats why he's quitting.ok, whatever you say. it was a good game anyways.
Doody complains A LOT he beat me the other day and talked mad crap even though I have beaten him several times before. On the other note Diabolicaldeity cheats, I had him on my friends list in my early days and after beating him so many times he decided he wants to cheat now. He solely plays Egypt, doesn't want anyone to touch him and wants everyone to "play fair" whatever that means lol soo bad.
I played a couple this morning. One ranked and the rest in the chat room.
The ranked was random-Spain against zulu. I dropped at his caps with a vet galleon fleet 3 vet LA and 1 AA. he froze, but I counter-froze and he quits.
The chat one was fun.
First one we walked (Two-Ni, Martin(something, I don't remember exactly his PSiD) and me). It was so funny we ended like this: C= cities, S settler
C__
_S_
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I was on top left with 25 gold, so capture settler and walk-in Thebes for the win...
I won one or two others before the one that was funnier. One I was early fundy german.
Martin something was japs and I was spain. I walk long and didn't got gold. I managed to get Rome for CoL with a WA. I finally got some gold with my horses and get 4 pop Washington. By that time he got Karakorum and had some tech rolling. I kill one of his HA after he captured washington for me (was waiting for him to do that) 6VS6 and got a gg, I had an other HA ready next turn. I took the sea towards Karakorum. I see he has a legion army on the other side, but it had moved that turn. So i attacked with my 2 HA. I lost a 9 VS 3 with the first one, it compensates for the 6vs6. I attacked with my gg HA. Exit next turn before he could attack and kill his LA ftw.
I think I would have won even without winning that skirmishes, because I already had 8 cities, safe from the action.
Last edited by SVPM; 02-18-2012 at 01:06 PM. Reason: Martin not Mike...
I played an other one and it was great fun.
i got America againt Rainmakerx987x Spain. I had a GB start, but managed to get things go real slow. i ended up with my first HA going in a long peninsula with nothing at the end, not even a barb. I didn,t got my 100g early and my second HA took Delhi really late as it had oak and had time to build archers.It took me at least 12 turns to take it.
When I arrived at Madrid it had walls and AA. He got 7cog early on and build cities on island in CoL.
I was really slow at 5 techs as I had only 1 science in my 100g cities and only 2 tiles in my other two caps. French and China AI were on an island and Napoleon took Mao caps at about 300BC!!!
So finally gets thing going and managed to get about 80 science gold by 100BC. I get knights as my 14th tech (never able to stay at 130, because of backfill. I build 5 KA with fundy and Sam castle.I attack his caps but he has PA with walls and galleons fleet support and I fail to get it even if I have odds in my favour (like he kills a KA 6 vs 12 with single cats!). So I went by at teching for Ox bombers, but he quits when I get industrailisation at about 650AD.
That must have been my slowest game with america GB of all time. I'm not sure he was that good, but he managed to attack me with 2 vet CA, one vet PA, with support, but I was already building my KA at that tie, so he only managed to kill one of them... I remember his name from when I was playing a lot more, so he has some experience.
Seriously? An AI took another AI cap? Never seen that in MP.
I have seen Shaka do it quite a few times and the aztecs as well.
But it was the french and still early in the game, I guess it was with legion, because when I took Paris there was one LA coming my direction.
Either the French or Russian AI took out the Arab AI in one of the games I played. around 0ad if I remember correctly. Reports from REM018 that they are now building HA's also. Their time will come! Soon, they will be wiping the floor with us.
Yeah their hours of play seem to start to give some fruits.
Like the English that Zef played that :''I could tell she has played before''.
laughing! i have locked in my experiances that ghandi is a bit 2 faced sometimes
*Removed* seems to cheat a lot recentrly you should avoid him
My Aztecs v. China. I'm having a slow time finding gold but I do get the tripoli/religion walk in.
I finally get a HA together when my warrior spots the now Chinese occupied London with a HA sitting on a hill. He offers me monarchy for religion, I say get lost, he kills my warrior.
I double move his HA. He then tries to take me out with a single knight and then quits.
That was a head scratcher. He's china with a 6–2 tech lead and knights and I have 2 cities (soon to be 3), 1 HA, 1 warrior, and no gold. Maybe he was out of units and low in gold too. You just never know what state the other guy is in during the early stages.
I saw a first last night.....the barbs took out the AI Arabs at 3500....how is that even possible...my op must have found multiple friendly villages next to the same barb I guess...
Got lucky as French other night, FFA guy playing Spanish leave then a few turns later AI germans walk into Spain and I buy nav same turn for 200g then I sell my other tech and break even lol. The AI is so nice buying pottery for 35g lol.
For you to have 200g + lots of techs and them to still have an empty cap at that stage doesn't say very much for your opponent!!
I've played a couple this week end.
Nothing that remarkable it wasn't really hard on rank and it was empty in the chat saturday except MartinJones arrived and I played a couple with him. I don't remember them all because I had a drink when I played (in honor of Liam).
I lost one against him my England vs Japs. I walked the wrong way as the way was blocked by a barb and had to settle in a relatively good spot in 3200BC... I was working on arab when he walk in London, but I still had a 100 gold city with 1 tree and dye. I was really stupid against arab as I always got hurt and had to heal, but because I sold them monarchy I was pushed out 3 tiles away from it and prevented me to take it, before Martin was there with his HA. He won a button race to kill my HA and it was it. He said he would come to post this game here, but he didn't. I did some stupid tactical move as not bringing an archer to Tripoli when I understood he would come for it.
He is fun to play!
He said he had played Jack, Scott and Liam in the past and had beaten them at least once each, but hasn't beaten me yet. I'm not on his nemesis list anymore.
In ranked I got Zulu and find AW in 3700BC. Fundy +1 movement is really the best starting combo...
Edit: I forgot the fun it is to try to connect with 3 others persons in friendly... We tried to play a team game as we were 4 in the chat room. Never managed to connect together. I just ragequit before even starting the game!
Last edited by SVPM; 02-27-2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason: ragequit.
Ha ha you can have all the drinks in honour of me that you please SVPM! It seems to make Mawpawk play better too when he gets stuck into his home made scrumpy!! I do remember the difficulties trying to match up player games back on the PS3, I think we even had to use Scottie to host mine and Madjinns semi final once because we couldn't connect!!
I've noticed a lot in ranked play on the xbox that if someone starts to fall behind to me then they just stop playing. They don't necessarily pause it just leave and go do something else I think?? I then just plough on to econ win regardless...
Had a great one last night against AKHAB (?)
My Indians vs his Japan. I get a horrible start as I had a great initial starting position and don't settler walk. Turns out, I am no where near any of the other Civs so I am unable to take any of them out. (I lost an attempt on Russia even though I had slightly higher battle odds. I can't get my gold forever.
He blows me away on tech and is so far away from me that it is impossible to go after him. He has Galleons protecting him from my Galley unit drop. I settler out, but am limited to the land as he is harrasing me by the sea.
He gets literally every tech bonus. When I see him use a GS to tech Industrilazion, I know Oxford bombers arent far behind. I make a settler and walk him the long distance all the way across the board to empire. I sit it 2 sqares away from his city that doesn't appear to be substantial enough to defend with full force, but dont settle it.
Next turn, he completes Oxford. I settle the settler the same turn and build the longest road I have ever built (180ish gold), and roll every unit I have to it and barrage his city. I break through and am rewarded with Adv Flight. My bombers come out quicker than his and he quits. That is the first time I have been able to overcome the Oxford Bomber rush from another player.
Good strategy glen. Nice
Hmm... isnt he another player in disguise? Is there a well known name missing from his list of people he can beat?
anyway when are you on SPVM .. we should get somew games in but you are pretty much the only person Im looking to play on ps3 so it wont get fired up otherwise......
I won't face you for title Scottie... Your legions are too scary... perhaps I shall meet you in a FFA one day.Hmm... isnt he another player in disguise? Is there a well known name missing from his list of people he can beat?
anyway when are you on SPVM .. we should get somew games in but you are pretty much the only person Im looking to play on ps3 so it wont get fired up otherwise......
hahaha
Maybe, he lurks the forum enough to know my forum tag. I think he said he posted sometimes under Mario0 or something. He uses legion to counter-attack, which I think is some proof of knowing how to play. He doesn't post much because of his poor english (he's Polish).Hmm... isnt he another player in disguise? Is there a well known name missing from his list of people he can beat?
anyway when are you on SPVM .. we should get somew games in but you are pretty much the only person Im looking to play on ps3 so it wont get fired up otherwise......
I try to play on week-end when my gf is working. I'll post here before logging next time I do. Sometimes I play in the morning here so it could be possible to play with you if you play during evening.
Oh man, I am offended.
haha ok you tooOh man, I am offended.
That sounds like quite the comeback. Slick move glenn!
played 1 game last night, my mongols vs Over3M's china. things started slow, and he took out england early. he teched quicly thru to republic. things took a turn for the good guys when i discovered egypt w/collosus. i took them out with horses, then backfilled into medieval. he brought up a horse army to mess with my cities. i used my 3 move HA to easily defeat it. i teched forward and caught him at around 17 techs. he got a tank from kt and took a minor city. i had a KA within range and killed the tank. i stole a GB from america, and took 2 of their cities. i landed a fundy CA next to london and attacked his AA. all of a sudden i get the waiting for message and the game freezes.i waited about an hour then gave up. in going thru the muting and avoiding process i see he has less than 2 stars of rating. he plays a normal game until its out of reach so you might play him and never know what i now know.
Yep!!! Thats the same guy I played and that happened to me. Thought there may have been foul play well now I know that freaking prick. Was taking him over with oxford bombers when it happened so I thought so but wasn't sure as it didn't seem like a normal freeze.
you are right, as i couldn't scroll around the map, but it wasn't as harsh as a hard freeze.
Showed Scottie who the boss was yesterday in some friendly games. If it was recorded in the casual competition I would of won it 2 years ago!! ;-)
I think your quote is quite apt on your profile "win when it counts" as I always batter you in the friendlys and then you up your game a touch in the tourneys!! ;-)
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