my H2H running record...

[Hellogoodbye123]

joking?.... once as the french i started in a 5 tile island 2 trees 2 grassland 1 hill 3 water. by this i know im gonna lose, I build galley and warrior, takes a tons of turns, go down 2 spaces, find knights templar, i grab it, next to it i see egyptian warrior lol.. he should of been there faster lol.. i go 2 spaces down with the knights into a hill and thebes is empty.. i know the egyptian guy so close to knights templar and took him like 20 turns, i take egypt and i start out teching everyone.. it only had hanging gardens but it was still a good deal.... few turns later i get enough gold for 100g, because of wat i stole from egypt

[asmodeios]

Grayson you won that one because it was almost 3am and I had to go to sleep.

You got that settler that really pissed me off. It didn't show me that you had a galley there.

[Grayson]

Grayson you won that one because it was almost 3am and I had to go to sleep.

You got that settler that really pissed me off. It didn't show me that you had a galley there.

oh ok. sorry for posting your name, i usually dont' do that.

I did say I got lucky. Had I not got that settler, I wouldn't have won the game for sure. After that, you were in an unfortunate spot, for sure. I'm sure it being so late was not your best time to play either, it was 2am for me, and I get no sleep now that I have a 6 week old daughter, and a 2 year old that wakes up at the crack of dawn, but if we're talking sleep deprivation, then I guess the edge would go to the guy that lives it everyday (not saying I know anything about you, you may get less sleep than me, i dunno, i'm just used to playing civ pretty deliriously).

I just had to post it because I was shocked that I beat a decent chinese player with the French in H2H from island. Surely you could appriciate that

And you didn't see that galley at all??!??! Like it was never there to you? I pretty much took your settler (or actually settled city) right after I saw it, or after the diplomacy thing ended, I can't remember, but I think it went to diplomacy, then I declared war and took the settler. Maybe the game glitched and didn't show my galley because of the diplomacy??? I dunno. But the city was empty, so I took it. You had a warrior the next square over, but I think it was out of movement.

[Zefelius]

After using the French last night, I decided today to make things easy on myself. The Zulu way. I've used them maybe 3 times before in MP. Now that I'm a bit more experienced, I can really see what a difference they make in the early stage. Whereas I sometimes struggle with other civs to get my second city by 2500, and get distracted by others pressing me or stealing all the goodies, I found them to be almost effortless by comparison. By 2500 I had enough $$ for extra warriors, a free city in addition to the captured cap, and 1 archer (BW from Mongolians) in each city. Plus extra cash that I didn't know what do with... It was nice not having to think so much. I'm almost tempted to play them and the other top 2 more often just to feel good about myself and pretend like I'm a genius when I beat noobs! But I think that would get boring... So it's back to the French and Greeks for me. Well, maybe after one more Zulu game! ZEF

[danthechan]

its ok to play with the power civs sometimes. when you get bashed with them (power civs) it helps to get your mind right. i played a couple h2h with america last week and started bad (out of practice) but the opponents quit shortly after out of american fear. the arabs are another one to go raging bull with. do you immediatly rush warriors with zulu, or try for 100 gold first? i personally spend every penny with them until i get 2 warrior armies going.
on a side note how was your trip to s.f.? where did you stay?

[Hellogoodbye123]

good for you zef..

im so proud of my top student at French studies class...

[Zso_Zso]

I had a fun game with HGB, testing out the Aztec vs German dilemma. I said before,: for Aztecs a lot depends on the horse-rush, if that works for them, they are well ahead, if that fails, they are out of tricks...

So, I played Germans, HGB Aztecs. We started fairly close but not too close.
My cap had 3 trees (moved settler by 1 tile to get that, although I only had 1 water this way). I made 3 warriors sent them out in different directions, killed 3 barbs and got 100g quick. I found his warrior and saw the border of his cap, attacked 2:1.5 (hill to hill) and won. I saw a perfect spot for my 100g city: 5 forests, 1 grass, 2 sea one of them with fish, city on a hill. Sent my settler in that direction and ended my turn next to a jaguar warrior -- NOT GOOD Next turn HGB was faster than me and captured my settler, I couldn't run away. That was a major set-back. Now he had 3 cities with his 100g and mine, while I only had my cap. Plus, I knew his horse army was going to come soon, because he already killed my first warrior with a horse. He moved towards the hill where I wanted to settle, I had my warrior up there and attacked his 2:1.5 but I lost this time. He made the city in the same spot where I wanted to. I rushed warriors every turn in my cap (which was 3 pop at this point, I grew after I made the first 3 warriors). HGB came with a warrior army from one side, trying to bait me to attack out while he attacks with his horse army from the other side. I did not take the bait, instead I attacked his horse army with my vet warrior army 4.5:4.5 and I got lucky and won, also got a Blitz upgrade from it. Next turn I stepped back before he could attack (although I had another single warrior in the cap) and won against his warrior army and got a great general. I tried to attack the city on the hill but he already had an archer army there. I also made an archer army (bought BW from the Russian AI), then I went and warrior rushed the Moscow, getting ABC. In the meantime I built a settler from cap and settled to another nice spot with 5 forest + 3 water, one of them with fish.
I pushed out another settler from cap and 1 from Moscow, then I teched to medieval. I built 2 barracks (cap + 5tree city) and started producing elite warriors. Aztecs were waaay ahead in tech at this point.

HGB tells me in the chat lobby: "4 turns and you are dead" -- he was getting knights and had 300g to rush them. So, I switched my tech to Iron working and timed it to be ready just in 4 turns for counter attacking (I had some archer armies). I had 7 elite warrior armies when he came with 3 knight armies to attack Berlin. I lost 1 legion army, but managed to kill 2 knight armies. Next turn I killed the 3rd one, getting a 2nd great general. HGB said he would come back again soon, so I shouldn't be too happy I finished COL at that point (was very slow teching, not enough cities no gold). I pushed out 4 settlers (1 from each city) as fast as I could, then 2 more shortly after, settled with 4 dye tiles, including an island. I started teching faster, went for Monarchy, then Feud. HGB had like 5 archer armies in my hill-top city, but I took them all out with my elite knight armies with GG support. He went into democracy then and teched even faster. I knew it would be dangerous to attack his cities with my knights. So I also teched democracy, gunpowder, steam and stole a GS from the Roman AI and used it for combustion. Then I went for Religion, and attacked with 4 triple elite tank armies, all had inf+blitz, 2 had GG. HGB had walls and rifle armies (multiple per city), but could not stop me. He killed one of my armies with a cannon army, but then his first city fell. After that I quickly rolled throw 2 more. Tenochitlan took some time, he started to get elite modern infantry units there, but it still wasn't enough to stop the ninja+GG tank armies. He said he only needed 2 more turns to get Leo's to turn all his rifleman armies into MI armies, so my timing was lucky.

So, first I should have lost to his horse-rush, then I should have lost to his knight rush, but I managed to come back from way behind in tech. He got over-confident with his tech lead and did not press me enough...
He was surprised how I got to 20 techs from like 7 in a few turns -- well I backfilled everything when I went into democracy with 10 cities 4 of them with libraries. He had 26 techs at that point.

[Hellogoodbye123]

well after reading it twice.. i have to point out.. i didnt get my 100g city till 1000ad.. i spent my resources on the horsemen..


i should of placed my horsemen on the hill(2 spaces away) so that next turn i could of attacked you without waiting to close...to your warriors.

i was making 500 gold when you came with the tanks.. the first city you attacked.. i put all my best defense there i was trying to stall time... but my riflemen forgot to shoot i guess.. the first one that you attacked leadership, they defeated your first tanks... but once they died... it all went down hill.. when i saw your 88.5 attack i knew i was doomed.

i tried building my tank army, but my cruiser needed to be move.. and you attacked first......!!!! stole great scientist from china rush industrilization, and stole explorer from the romans.. which i settled.. you came in to powerful..if they had been normal tanks.. i would of won..

[the headless 10]

but if we're talking sleep deprivation, then I guess the edge would go to the guy that lives it everyday (not saying I know anything about you, you may get less sleep than me, i dunno, i'm just used to playing civ pretty deliriously).

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heh.. sleep deprived (or drinking) have been the keys to my success in the tourny.. i finished a ffa rankd match with panguin at around 2am est, only to find that all of our tourny match guys were on, and we played the round.. heh, did we finish around 5 am est (my buddy was waking up to go to work) and i thought (thought) that i played well..

instincts people.. instincts

[the headless 10]

[QUOTE=Zso_Zso;508419 I saw a perfect spot for my 100g city: 5 forests, 1 grass, 2 sea one of them with fish, city on a hill. Sent my settler in that direction and ended my turn next to a jaguar warrior -- NOT GOOD Next turn HGB was faster than me and captured my settler, I couldn't run away. That was a major set-back. .[/QUOTE]

probably dumb for me to write.. but if your settler is not defended, you should only move him one space a turn.. particularly if you know the enemy is near you, or if it is more than 15 turns into the game..

if you moved your settler two moves to put him on that hill (to settle a city next turn), that is a poor decision.. move him next to the hill (1 move) and wait, see what your opponent is doing/ never max out moves on a vulnerable and valuable unit like settlers.. next turn move to the hill, found the city, and rush a unit..

do NOT risk a settler in a quick move situation.. you have nothing to gain and everything to lose..

[Hellogoodbye123]

probably dumb for me to write.. but if your settler is not defended, you should only move him one space a turn.. particularly if you know the enemy is near you, or if it is more than 15 turns into the game..

if you moved your settler two moves to put him on that hill (to settle a city next turn), that is a poor decision.. move him next to the hill (1 move) and wait, see what your opponent is doing/ never max out moves on a vulnerable and valuable unit like settlers.. next turn move to the hill, found the city, and rush a unit..

do NOT risk a settler in a quick move situation.. you have nothing to gain and everything to lose..

well actually... he moved it...

and i still hadnt moved my warrior.. so i moved it forward... and his settlers pop out of no where.. thought it was militia... he wasnt moving them.. so i knew he already moved them.

[Zefelius]

its ok to play with the power civs sometimes. when you get bashed with them (power civs) it helps to get your mind right. i played a couple h2h with america last week and started bad (out of practice) but the opponents quit shortly after out of american fear. the arabs are another one to go raging bull with. do you immediatly rush warriors with zulu, or try for 100 gold first? i personally spend every penny with them until i get 2 warrior armies going.
on a side note how was your trip to s.f.? where did you stay?

You're right: it can be fun. I always feel a little guilty when I play the Chinese or Zulu (haven't touched the dastardly Americans yet!), but using them is sort of like throwing a nerf ball after having lifted weights: much easier by comparison. To answer your question: I'm not that experienced with Zulu, but I agree with you in terms of making the armies as quick as possible. I noticed in both my games with them today that the 100 gld will still come afterward. I lost my second game against a decent American player (I think top 100 or so), but in retrospect I could have won if I hadn't been lazy and had more than 16 cities. He beat me to the World Bank by 4 turns!! If only I had 4 more cities, that would have tilted it my way!

As Grayson said a few comments ago: it's all about mindset. If you get too overconfident, you can lose the game by just a few turns.

As for S.F., it was a wonderful experience. Only my second time there. Went to a Wax Museum as well as the fancy art ones. The Golden Gate Park is beautiful. The Castro area is cool, as well the Italian part of downtown. My friend got a position at Berkeley, so we visited him too. But overall I prefer Portland and Seattle: they're a bit more cozy and laidback imo.....

Later Skater, Zef

[Zefelius]

I had a fun game with HGB, testing out the Aztec vs German dilemma. I said before,: for Aztecs a lot depends on the horse-rush, if that works for them, they are well ahead, if that fails, they are out of tricks...

So, I played Germans, HGB Aztecs. We started fairly close but not too close.
My cap had 3 trees (moved settler by 1 tile to get that, although I only had 1 water this way). I made 3 warriors sent them out in different directions, killed 3 barbs and got 100g quick. I found his warrior and saw the border of his cap, attacked 2:1.5 (hill to hill) and won. I saw a perfect spot for my 100g city: 5 forests, 1 grass, 2 sea one of them with fish, city on a hill. Sent my settler in that direction and ended my turn next to a jaguar warrior -- NOT GOOD Next turn HGB was faster than me and captured my settler, I couldn't run away. That was a major set-back. Now he had 3 cities with his 100g and mine, while I only had my cap. Plus, I knew his horse army was going to come soon, because he already killed my first warrior with a horse. He moved towards the hill where I wanted to settle, I had my warrior up there and attacked his 2:1.5 but I lost this time. He made the city in the same spot where I wanted to. I rushed warriors every turn in my cap (which was 3 pop at this point, I grew after I made the first 3 warriors). HGB came with a warrior army from one side, trying to bait me to attack out while he attacks with his horse army from the other side. I did not take the bait, instead I attacked his horse army with my vet warrior army 4.5:4.5 and I got lucky and won, also got a Blitz upgrade from it. Next turn I stepped back before he could attack (although I had another single warrior in the cap) and won against his warrior army and got a great general. I tried to attack the city on the hill but he already had an archer army there. I also made an archer army (bought BW from the Russian AI), then I went and warrior rushed the Moscow, getting ABC. In the meantime I built a settler from cap and settled to another nice spot with 5 forest + 3 water, one of them with fish.
I pushed out another settler from cap and 1 from Moscow, then I teched to medieval. I built 2 barracks (cap + 5tree city) and started producing elite warriors. Aztecs were waaay ahead in tech at this point.

HGB tells me in the chat lobby: "4 turns and you are dead" -- he was getting knights and had 300g to rush them. So, I switched my tech to Iron working and timed it to be ready just in 4 turns for counter attacking (I had some archer armies). I had 7 elite warrior armies when he came with 3 knight armies to attack Berlin. I lost 1 legion army, but managed to kill 2 knight armies. Next turn I killed the 3rd one, getting a 2nd great general. HGB said he would come back again soon, so I shouldn't be too happy I finished COL at that point (was very slow teching, not enough cities no gold). I pushed out 4 settlers (1 from each city) as fast as I could, then 2 more shortly after, settled with 4 dye tiles, including an island. I started teching faster, went for Monarchy, then Feud. HGB had like 5 archer armies in my hill-top city, but I took them all out with my elite knight armies with GG support. He went into democracy then and teched even faster. I knew it would be dangerous to attack his cities with my knights. So I also teched democracy, gunpowder, steam and stole a GS from the Roman AI and used it for combustion. Then I went for Religion, and attacked with 4 triple elite tank armies, all had inf+blitz, 2 had GG. HGB had walls and rifle armies (multiple per city), but could not stop me. He killed one of my armies with a cannon army, but then his first city fell. After that I quickly rolled throw 2 more. Tenochitlan took some time, he started to get elite modern infantry units there, but it still wasn't enough to stop the ninja+GG tank armies. He said he only needed 2 more turns to get Leo's to turn all his rifleman armies into MI armies, so my timing was lucky.

So, first I should have lost to his horse-rush, then I should have lost to his knight rush, but I managed to come back from way behind in tech. He got over-confident with his tech lead and did not press me enough...
He was surprised how I got to 20 techs from like 7 in a few turns -- well I backfilled everything when I went into democracy with 10 cities 4 of them with libraries. He had 26 techs at that point.

Sounds like a great slugfest by two very good players. HGB is so funny and humble when he writes his comments, that I sometimes forget he's one of the most experienced players. Your own tactics, btw, are quite clever. I usually go for growth with my first cities, but it sounds like you weren't afraid to emphasize the German strength of production in the way you chose your first cities. Likewise, I typically go with 2 warriors at the start, but lately I've thought that 3 would more likely assure the 100 gld. It delays BW, but you have an answer to that: buy it from an AI. Hmmm... I think I'll start doing that too! All in all a great see-saw battle...

[Hellogoodbye123]

HGB is so funny and humble when he writes his comments, that I sometimes forget he's one of the most experienced players. Your own tactics, btw, are quite clever.

you really think that

i think your the only one who gets me on these forums... everyone else doesnt. They dont understand that this game is more based on luck than all the other civ.. you have artifacts, that can dramatically change the whole game, it takes zero skill to find school of confucious and get a builder, and rush the east india...

takes zero skill to find 7 cities, and to expand at lightning speed, maybe even use the money to rush with etreme power..

even first researched bonsuses from techs, your already winning, or atleast leading in tech.. why make yourself even more powerful..

the odds on this game are very strange too..the whole game is very strange as well...


i was watching a youtube video of sid commenting this game, he talk about how your the leader, you make the decisions... you pick who you will be at peace with and who you will at war with.. and at the end.. he was just like..

"..and those little things" makes you think, you play the game, and you just work on those little things he talks about...

thx zef. your comment reached my soul... lol
and im not joking this time....

[MorteEterna]

Sounds like a great slugfest by two very good players. HGB is so funny and humble when he writes his comments, that I sometimes forget he's one of the most experienced players. Your own tactics, btw, are quite clever. I usually go for growth with my first cities, but it sounds like you weren't afraid to emphasize the German strength of production in the way you chose your first cities. Likewise, I typically go with 2 warriors at the start, but lately I've thought that 3 would more likely assure the 100 gld. It delays BW, but you have an answer to that: buy it from an AI. Hmmm... I think I'll start doing that too! All in all a great see-saw battle...

Why asking to the AI bronze working if you don't need it? Don't take this as insult but, why do you ALL think you MUST have bronze working to defend?? Warriors can defend to rush and you can counter attack. I find a lot of new players lose because they try to get bronze working and have nothing to defend, while I see many good players understood that warriors can defend better.

[Hellogoodbye123]

Why asking to the AI bronze working if you don't need it? Don't take this as insult but, why do you ALL think you MUST have bronze working to defend?? Warriors can defend to rush and you can counter attack. I find a lot of new players lose because they try to get bronze working and have nothing to defend, while I see many good players understood that warriors can defend better.

your right... i go for pottery-mansory...
then if i feel like it i go for bronze working..lol

if im france i just go for mansory.. because you know.. about that ancient bonus..yea.. then bronze.

[MorteEterna]

you really think that

i think your the only one who gets me on these forums... everyone else doesnt. They dont understand that this game is more based on luck than all the other civ.. you have artifacts, that can dramatically change the whole game, it takes zero skill to find school of confucious and get a builder, and rush the east india...

takes zero skill to find 7 cities, and to expand at lightning speed, maybe even use the money to rush with etreme power..

even first researched bonsuses from techs, your already winning, or atleast leading in tech.. why make yourself even more powerful..

the odds on this game are very strange too..the whole game is very strange as well...


i was watching a youtube video of sid commenting this game, he talk about how your the leader, you make the decisions... you pick who you will be at peace with and who you will at war with.. and at the end.. he was just like..

"..and those little things" makes you think, you play the game, and you just work on those little things he talks about...

thx zef. your comment reached my soul... lol
and im not joking this time....

If you really think the game is based on luck, why have I won my last 25-30 games on FFA in a row against GOOD PLAYERS? Mostly top players, in the top10-15. Maybe that's not luck, uh. And, the game is not based on luck. It's based on the SKILL, then the civilization and the map. If you use americans, get all artifacts, but you are a newb, against a good player, would you win? NO, that's the answer, trust me.

PS: Researching masonry to defend is worse than researching bronze working. 30 beakers = 1 warrior army.

[Hellogoodbye123]

If you really think the game is based on luck, why have I won my last 25-30 games on FFA in a row against GOOD PLAYERS? Mostly top players, in the top10-15. Maybe that's not luck, uh. And, the game is not based on luck. It's based on the SKILL, then the civilization and the map. If you use americans, get all artifacts, but you are a newb, against a good player, would you win? NO, that's the answer, trust me.

PS: Researching masonry to defend is worse than researching bronze working. 30 beakers = 1 warrior army.

i mean if you know what your doing... then yes its based on luck.

you can get lucky with great people here and there..

you can get lucky in city locations, capitals etc.. if you dont start in an island your one of the lucky ones... if you do.. then you will have to play better in that game than in any of your other games... idk morte this is just my opinion.. we can discuss this all you want. but i think luck and this game are brother and sister.. skill can be the bald uncle.

[Hellogoodbye123]

PS: Researching masonry to defend is worse than researching bronze working. 30 beakers = 1 warrior army.

just like how the city looks with those stunning new walls..

i hate warriors.. my advisor tells me to replace them as soon as possible. you should listen to them

[MorteEterna]

just like how the city looks with those stunning new walls..

i hate warriors.. my advisor tells me to replace them as soon as possible. you should listen to them

You should? You make me laugh sometimes.. Now you will put your usual comment, I already know.. And no, this game is not luck based. In every game luck COULD HELP, but all GP are good. Luck could be getting a great artist while the enemy has took a capital with 10 tanks armies and moved all them. Luck is not saving a great artist for the future. Getting a great builder could be as powerful as getting a great scientist or humanitarian.. Getting a great leader could make you build powerful units.. And I won on islands, lands where it was hard to expand, etc.. That's not luck, that takes SKILL. You are obsessed with luck, while this game, like other strategy games is mostly based on luck. More than 50%, that's sure. Luck could be 10%, nothing else.

[TyShine]

You should? You make me laugh sometimes.. Now you will put your usual comment, I already know.. And no, this game is not luck based. In every game luck COULD HELP, but all GP are good. Luck could be getting a great artist while the enemy has took a capital with 10 tanks armies and moved all them. Luck is not saving a great artist for the future. Getting a great builder could be as powerful as getting a great scientist or humanitarian.. Getting a great leader could make you build powerful units.. And I won on islands, lands where it was hard to expand, etc.. That's not luck, that takes SKILL. You are obsessed with luck, while this game, like other strategy games is mostly based on luck. More than 50%, that's sure. Luck could be 10%, nothing else.

In the long term this game is all skill, but in the short term luck plays a factor. Ive had games were a Zulu army is at my capitol in 6 turns. You cant win every game but most give you a chance, and therefore based on skill.

[MorteEterna]

In the long term this game is all skill, but in the short term luck plays a factor. Ive had games were a Zulu army is at my capitol in 6 turns. You cant win every game but most give you a chance, and therefore based on skill.

You could still try to defend in some way, and using skill you could prevent that unless you have got bad luck while he was lucky. Then, luck is not a big part of the game, only a little 10% maybe.. And maybe, he wasn't really bad if he could do that, and remember that it could not be the luck, but he could be zulu moving 1-2 tiles. I sometimes do that and it usually works, no luck needed, 2 movement means you can usually have a barb by 3700 BC or 3600 BC, and if you have the army at 3600 BC, you can be 4 tiles away by this time and you got other 4 movement in 2 turns..

[Hellogoodbye123]

im not saying skill isnt needed...

im just saying its based on luck... you said getting lucky could HELP... in capital letters.. and your right.. it can change the whole game.. you turn the tables..

you won from the island on your own skill... but anyone else.. wouldnt of done as great. unless they found some delicious artifatcs along the way. and i mean 5-7 tile islands... not like a 20-30 tiles island.. i mean little tiny ones, with zero barbs.. and far away from everything.

i agree all great people are powerful.. but if your in need of something in particular.. and you get the great person you need, than how would that not of been luck?.. its luck or a good gamble..

which i like to do sometimes.. had horsemen army 12attk versus 15 archer defense.. i won.. took out the players capital.. and he was eliminated. and i got lucky, because i was supose to lose...

in another one.. my 1 warrior.. beat a whole vet army.. isnt that luck.. i had 1 warrior in the city.. he wasted 30 hammers...

in another i found the 7 cities like 2-3 spaces away.. used the money which got me 3 capitals.. that was not luck.. finding the 7 cities that close to you?.. then what is it skill?.. its skill that things are where they were and winning agaisnt the odds?

EDIT: Check-mate!!

[Hellogoodbye123]

You could still try to defend in some way, and using skill you could prevent that unless you have got bad luck while he was lucky. Then, luck is not a big part of the game, only a little 10% maybe.. And maybe, he wasn't really bad if he could do that, and remember that it could not be the luck, but he could be zulu moving 1-2 tiles. I sometimes do that and it usually works, no luck needed, 2 movement means you can usually have a barb by 3700 BC or 3600 BC, and if you have the army at 3600 BC, you can be 4 tiles away by this time and you got other 4 movement in 2 turns..

thats not the luck im talking about... thats the skill part of the game

i mean finding artifacts, having the right map location, moving into exploration cash etc... having the right amount of barbs to make it out alive. those little things that affect the gameplay, without you having to move a muscle.

[MorteEterna]

im not saying skill isnt needed...

im just saying its based on luck... you said getting lucky could HELP... in capital letters.. and your right.. it can change the whole game.. you turn the tables..

you won from the island on your own skill... but anyone else.. wouldnt of done as great. unless they found some delicious artifatcs along the way. and i mean 5-7 tile islands... not like a 20-30 tiles island.. i mean little tiny ones, with zero barbs.. and far away from everything.

i agree all great people are powerful.. but if your in need of something in particular.. and you get the great person you need, than how would that not of been luck?.. its luck or a good gamble..

which i like to do sometimes.. had horsemen army 12attk versus 15 archer defense.. i won.. took out the players capital.. and he was eliminated. and i got lucky, because i was supose to lose...

in another one.. my 1 warrior.. beat a whole vet army.. isnt that luck.. i had 1 warrior in the city.. he wasted 30 hammers...

in another i found the 7 cities like 2-3 spaces away.. used the money which got me 3 capitals.. that was not luck.. finding the 7 cities that close to you?.. then what is it skill?.. its skill that things are where they were and winning agaisnt the odds?

EDIT: Check-mate!!

HGB, really, talking with you is almost non sense and BORING. You understand almost nothing that people tell you, and you keep talking about luck and nothing else, insulting people with that, like when you said I have been lucky with Russia, having a horse army in 10 turns.

You should know that you DON'T win the battles you should win.. That would be STUPID. 12v15 is is like 0.8 v 1
If I'm not wrong (I did a fast calculation) it's like 45% to win, or maybe 40%.. However, that goes from 30 to 45 for sure, meaning you have from 1/3 to 1/2 possibilities to win. Then, you CAN'T call it luck, it was a battle where you could win like he could win.
And, you keep talking about stupid examples with non sense.. Starting in a 5 tiles island is BAD LUCK, finding an artifact BALANCES it, it's not luck, it's balancing that. While you get seven cities, your enemy on the mainland could have found 200 gold, used it for an horse army, and anything else, then, stop talking about luck in your silly way. That's boring and stupid, really.

Naming tiles is NOT lucky, I usually name tiles because I know there are some tiles of the same, and it usually gives you gold just because you found the tiles, not because you got lucky, and this is what I think:

If you find three trees, in this way (X = tree):

AB
1XX
2X

And you move to B1, you could name the tile as going to B2.. It could be a seed or something like that but I usually find that naming tiles is easy when you find the same kind of territory. Stop talking about luck if you want to have your non sense discussions. And talk about something seriously, instead of spamming repeating the same thing to the infinite until the others get bored or agree with you

[Hellogoodbye123]

im not insulting anyone...and i didnt say you got lucky getting a horsemen army by 3000bc, i said you got lucky that there was a hut right there close by your russian settler. and that you got horseback from it... that is what i call super luck.

plus this is my opinion.

[Hellogoodbye123]

Waitttttt.... is saying luck, offending you?

luck luck luck luck... hahahah lol ok ok.. jk

[MorteEterna]

im not insulting anyone...and i didnt say you got lucky getting a horsemen army by 3000bc, i said you got lucky that there was a hut right there close by your russian settler. and that you got horseback from it... that is what i call super luck.

plus this is my opinion.

That's called insulting me, not saying I got lucky. And you keep doing that in this way, that's why I got bored talking with you, that what I call super boring.

The hut was THREE TILES AWAY, I knew the MAP thank's to the RUSSIAN STARTING BONUS, I chose HORSEBACK and got it from the hut like most games I play when I choose it. It was NOT LUCK, just experience, and using the bonuses. Nothing else. Until you don't understand what I keep saying, and until you keep saying I get lucky, I would call it insulting me. When you will understand, it wouldn't be insulting me anymore. Insults are not only saying "hey you are a *****".

[Hellogoodbye123]

That's called insulting me, not saying I got lucky. And you keep doing that in this way, that's why I got bored talking with you, that what I call super boring.

The hut was THREE TILES AWAY, I knew the MAP thank's to the RUSSIAN STARTING BONUS, I chose HORSEBACK and got it from the hut like most games I play when I choose it. It was NOT LUCK, just experience, and using the bonuses. Nothing else. Until you don't understand what I keep saying, and until you keep saying I get lucky, I would call it insulting me. When you will understand, it wouldn't be insulting me anymore. Insults are not only saying "hey you are a *****".

i know the ancient chinese trick(i dont means this literary, just an expression), what you do is pick a tech, and when you get the hut, you have a higher chance of getting the tech you chose(tyshine told me this)

[MorteEterna]

i know the ancient chinese trick(i dont means this literary, just an expression), what you do is pick a tech, and when you get the hut, you have a higher chance of getting the tech you chose(tyshine told me this)

That means you don't usually read the forums, because I've said a lot of times that you can do that. After all this spam, saying the game is 90% based on luck, have you done? Luck won't make you win a game if you are skilled, because you would win already, and getting seven cities isn't going to help if you use it to rush 3 temples

[Hellogoodbye123]

That means you don't usually read the forums, because I've said a lot of times that you can do that. After all this spam, saying the game is 90% based on luck, have you done? Luck won't make you win a game if you are skilled, because you would win already, and getting seven cities isn't going to help if you use it to rush 3 temples

you dont listen either... when did i say 90%

EDIT: the sad thing is that you ruined the joy when zef called me quite clever... i got a good comment and you ruin it like that? who cares if its luck or skill.. it uses both dimensions, doesnt matter the percentages... you can never let me even have 1 good comment, i think you have zero respect for others...

EDIT2: ok i feel much better

[MorteEterna]

you dont listen either... when did i say 90%

EDIT: the sad thing is that you ruined the joy when zef called me quite clever... i got a good comment and you ruin it like that? who cares if its luck or skill.. it uses both dimensions, doesnt matter the percentages... you can never let me even have 1 good comment, i think you have zero respect for others...

EDIT2: ok i feel much better

It was an example. You see? You can't understand, and it was so obvious. I didn't put words on your mouth, while it seems you keep doing a similar thing. You say I have zero respect, are you kidding me? If I had 0 respect, you would have -1000. You don't even want to understand what people say, you keep insulting in some way, spamming, and you tell me I have zero respect. I really take this as insult.. You have zero respect when I talk with you, same with the chat. It seemed you started to be civilized a bit, then, you started with your usual way to talk.

Then, instead of saying "I feel much better" after insulting and spamming again, learn how to talk in a forum. And if you are bored about my answers, then, learn first how to talk with me and how to stay in a forum, because, my problem is when you say all that trash, that becomes boring, you should understand that. You have more than 2000 posts on this forum and you don't know how to talk with others. You wrote 2 strategies, maybe only 1 was your only worthful thread. Instead of all that, try doing something really useful.

[Hellogoodbye123]

every1 uses the 2000+ excuse its not fair, it appeared when i woke up... you still took one of the best comments i ever got...

[MorteEterna]

every1 uses the 2000+ excuse its not fair, it appeared when i woke up... you still took one of the best comments i ever got...

I see another problem.. You seem to get few good comments. Try to answer yourself, uhm, maybe you will need time for this, then I will save you time: You don't write useful posts, or things like that. If you start helping people in the RIGHT way, you would have more good comments, and you will see that. And, about me, I like to help people and it's not about getting good comments, but it's always better to hear something, it makes me keep writing good tips. If nobody said thank's, I could have stopped helping maybe..

Oh and, try to answer in another post, then stop it and leave this thread with Pedal and off topics. I will try to do it too, in every thread it could happen, but we should stop it. The 2000+ message is an excuse maybe.. But, that's true and you should understand that, you have a lot of messages and it's not as worth as other people like Grayson, Pedal, etc.. (everyone that helped the community)

[Hellogoodbye123]

but you havent helped me at all

you disagree with all my ideas... didnt ppl think you went crazy months ago?

[Zefelius]

Hey guys, I don't necessarily want to get entangled in the ongoing dispute here, but I thought I should add that I just wanted to comment on Zsozso's and HGB's game in a positive way. It genuinely sounded like a smart, fun, and very interesting battle to me. So I gave them both compliments, by saying they were both good players and that one was quite experienced and the other used clever tactics. I stand by that. Now of course some players are even better, and have perfected strategies which raise them to an even higher level of play. That's impressive too. Hopefully there will be a way in these forums to learn how to either respect each other or at the very least ignore one another if we don't like other ppl's posts. If there is a better solution to this antagonistic back-and-forth dispute, I'd love to hear it. All the best, Zef

[Zefelius]

One last thing: I'm glad Pedal created this thread. I love reading about all the strategies and tense games that get posted here. And I absolutely look forward to reading more comments on H2H games, which was the original intention of creating this thread. That's all.

[Hellogoodbye123]

thank you zef

[Zso_Zso]

Zefelius,
Thank you for your compliments and also for your reasonable, soothing comments that will hopefully help to calm down the angry voices here!

There will always be disagreements, differences of opinions -- that's the nature of life and people. I'd like to ask both HGB and Morte (without taking sides) to give each other a little more slack. Do not take evey comment in a negative light, try to find the positive sides of each post.

I hope to play you both and have more fun games to report here

[Hellogoodbye123]

another good post by zso *appluses everywhere*

C'mon morte what do you say?.. lets stop spamming pedals thread.. you have to admit, fighting with a "Noob" is kinda spammish on your part too.. lol