my H2H running record...

[elthrasher]

The other kind of players are much more self-absorbed since 70-90% of their comments focus on their honor, reputation, how good they are, whom they've beat, why so-and-so really has no clue about this game, why they're not really cheaters, why other people are definitely cheaters, and so forth. Not only is the difference between these two kinds of players a reflection of maturity level, but it also explains why less people are invested in whether or not the comments of the second type of player are true or not: there's no shared background from which to develop a genuine interest in whether that kind of player is really all that he says that he is. Who really cares?

Aren't you sort of doing the same thing by even engaging on this topic? Amos is right in a sense. It just takes persistence to get any civ to the top 10. Yes, it takes some skill, but if you don't mind a few losses and keep at it, you'll get there. As you know, I've been in the top 10 with random civs a number of times. And I've beaten a lot of power-civ players with the Mongols. It's not that hard to beat somebody who doesn't know what good competition looks like.

At the same time, I certainly hope nobody is suggesting anybody be impressed by players who only play opponents they know they can beat. Don't make me laugh! As far as I know, Mad didn't avoid anyone when he got the Mongols to the top 10. And I know I didn't when I did it first!

[ScottieX]

I've played you, beaten you, and from a skill level you're below Kyodai, Mawpawk and Morte. I'd categorize you as a 'very good' player but not up with the very best.

You do realise that you both agreed with him here -and provided an example of his wider point?

Second, as far as your friend "being a god" because he used the Mongols to make the top 10 in H2H

FWIW - Kyodai was one of maddjinns victims when gettng to top 10 with mongols, it doesn't look like he avoided anyone.
Mad was quite good, a stategist and good community member.

Thrasher,

Aren't you sort of doing the same thing by even engaging on this topic?

yeah I was thinking that too. Then again, at the same time, his post content was interesting so there is some intrinsic value in it aside from the value in Zef demonstrating/Signaling he is a knowledgable/talented professor type

[Legatus]

I do have a lv digital vl (or something like that) on my friends list, though I have no memory of what our game was like, other than there obviously wasn't any foul play on his end. He think he just sent a request and I accepted.

FWIW, he was very helpful when I asked him about the Elder Scrolls game.

[ScottieX]

I do have a lv digital vl (or something like that) on my friends list, though I have no memory of what our game was like, other than there obviously wasn't any foul play on his end. He think he just sent a request and I accepted.

FWIW, he was very helpful when I asked him about the Elder Scrolls game.

even the really bad cheaters and arses seem to be ok if you approach them the right way and never get in a situation where you deny them somthing they want - like rank points.. all you have to do is accept that they have a right to everything they want .

as to me I cant remember playing him but I do have a bad feeling about the name (independant of discussion here) so I think somthing happened.

[danthechan]

he's on my fl too. like legatus i can't remember why he's there, but i've had no problem.

[Zefelius]

Aren't you sort of doing the same thing by even engaging on this topic?

Not at all. My point was that some players, like Amos, spend most of their time in the forum talking crap and spreading gossip while others don't. It's all about ratio: we've all talked up our games at some point and to some degree, but the players I respect the most, such as yourself, Dan, both Jacks, Scottie, Grayson, IQGrizzley, and many others, are the players who keep it in perspective by focusing mostly on fun stories, good tactics, writing up strategies, responding to other players' questions, and so forth.

[Zefelius]

Cute response, but no substance.

First off, you're not going 30-0 in H2H if you play the best players. I've played you, beaten you, and from a skill level you're below Kyodai, Mawpawk and Morte. I'd categorize you as a 'very good' player but not up with the very best.

You might be a good player, Amos, but you don't know how to debate. First, I have in fact gone over 30-0 in H2H rank, and the only people I avoided were cheaters. Second, I myself said I wasn't an elite player, so your response really has no relevance to the argument I actually made. Third and lastly, in reference to you beating me, it very well could be that you're better. I don't care too much if you are and that would be great for you. But I'm still not convinced you're as good as you claim. I've gotten Rome and Spain into the top 5 before getting bored and deciding not to go higher. Getting Zulu to the #1 spot against today's competition, even with a perfect record, is about on par with me getting Spain to #4. So whether you are truly better I have no idea and don't really care.

[Zefelius]

Second, as far as your friend "being a god" because he used the Mongols to make the top 10 in H2H - It's a funny story to talk about and a cool accomplishment but it has nothing to do with skill. He's basically just being persistent and choosing his opponents wisely, kind of like what I'm right doing now to keep my streak alive. Any elite player can get into the top10 in h2h by using this strategy with any civ he wants to - even the Russians. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who loses to the Mongols in H2H while using a power civ should be taken out to pasture!!!

So just because he beat FireonIce's dad a couple of times and got points for it - if you were smart then you wouldn't fall for it. It's just a cool, funny gimmick.

So get real and stop blowing smoke.

You could not have proven my point any more accurately. The fact that you don't know anything about Madjinn, and how he documented all his games in his quick rise to the top 10 with Mongols, shows how little you pay attention to the history of CivRev or the solid contributions made by players to the forum. This stuff is common knowledge to the rest of us, but you don't care to contribute except when you are defending your reputation and talking up your game and how "damn good you are." That was exactly my point: nobody is going to be invested in your precious reputation when you yourself don't care about anyone else.

[Zefelius]

At the same time, I certainly hope nobody is suggesting anybody be impressed by players who only play opponents they know they can beat. Don't make me laugh! As far as I know, Mad didn't avoid anyone when he got the Mongols to the top 10. And I know I didn't when I did it first!

Exactly. Anyway, I'll follow your advice and stop commenting on this for now. I'll give Amos the last word if that's what he wants.

[Legatus]

Ok, I think I had a game against the lamest non-cheater ever.

I'm India. He's China (yeah, I know many of them are lame).

I move for about 5 turns and quickly suspect I'm on an island. Produce a total of 3 warriors. Find 2 barbs and a naming tile. Produce a galley.

He finds 7 cities by the time my 2nd warrior is out, and finds something else (I think the Ark) a few turns later.

I eventually load up the WA onto the galley and sail west. Lo and behold, he's on an island or pennisula immediately to my west. He has two cities , with an archer army up in each. He has walls in Bejing (I guess from Masonry) and has settled a Great Scientist.

I get my 100g settler, produce another (probably shouldn't have), and head for Iron Working. I sail around my island just so he doesn't see my galley hanging around, though I put the militia back on my island. He does attack Egypt at somepoint; I hear no info about him taking anything.

I get IW and start making Legions. I research enough techs to get to 5 so I can have fundy. I have 3 legion armies made when he hits demo, so I don't have enough time to make an archer for protection.

I sail over to his 100g city, which has now had a wall for about 10 turns, and drop 3 LA and 1 WA and attack.

First LA does no damage to the AA. WA remarkedly double wounds the AA. 2nd LA kills the AA. 3rd LA walks in on the spy defending the city. I get a 4 pop city with barracks and a trading post (that probably was from COL), plus get nav.

He quits.
Seriously, even though a pike army is usually not good strategy, I'm probably would have had time overtaking a walled Bejing if he made one of them, and he'd of had plenty of time to do before I'd have been able to get back to him.

[CNH02]

FEELS GOOD TO BE A CHEATER!!!
This guy is top 20 & kept pausing during every battle against other civ's, then continued to do so when attacking me. I had leo's workshop so tons of modern infantry in my cities, yet he'd get them in one turn with knights. He eventually went on to freeze the game completely, yet luckily I saw when he unfroze it within 45 min and I was able to pull off the economic win. He sure "wasted a lot of my time"... if any of you can figure out who I am talking about w/o posting name directly

BTW all of you who post cheaters in your profiles are helpful, surprisingly I had not seen him on any of them that I recall...

[Amos Otis Jr]

First of all - Regarding my posts and how 'i don't contribute', that was my second post EVER, plain and simple. It's purpose was simply to explain how I went 82-0 without cheating. I don't have a history of making 500 posts saying how great I am and tooting my own horn so that's b.s. for you to say that about me. Who the hell are you to make a comment like that, the moral authority or something? I don't think so.

Second, my last post was never directed at Madjinn's skill as a player - it was directed at analyzing that achievement and at how dumb you are for portraying him out 'to be a god' for getting the Mongols into the top 10 in h2h. I'm sure Madjinnn is a good player but if you break it down intelligently putting the mongols into top 10 in h2h has to do simply with being patient and selective, not skill. B/C NO MONGOL PLAYER CAN EVER BEAT A VERY GOOD CIV PLAYER IN H2H STRAIGHT-UP. But you wouldn't know that, would you?? If I ever lost to a Mongol player straight-up in H2H I'd retire and end my CIV career!! Plain and simple - it hasn't happened to me yet in five years and it never will. The fact that he beat Kyodia during that streak is great but I'm willing to bet that Kyodia also agreed to choose the Mongols, or some other really weak civ in that game, b/c that's the only way I can see it happening. That's one very important detail that you 'conveniently forgot to mention' and chose to left out.

You're like a used car salesman because you've got no substance and what you say is actually crap. You've got issues man and I don't even know you... From now on, I'm just going to associate and try to make friends with the happy and normal sounding people that are on this board. I'm out.

[Frelinder]

First of all - Regarding my posts and how 'i don't contribute', that was my second post EVER, plain and simple. It's purpose was simply to explain how I went 82-0 without cheating. I don't have a history of making 500 posts saying how great I am and tooting my own horn so that's b.s. for you to say that about me. Who the hell are you to make a comment like that, the moral authority or something? I don't think so.

Second, my last post was never directed at Madjinn's skill as a player - it was directed at analyzing that achievement and at how dumb you are for portraying him out 'to be a god' for getting the Mongols into the top 10 in h2h. I'm sure Madjinnn is a good player but if you break it down intelligently putting the mongols into top 10 in h2h has to do simply with being patient and selective, not skill. B/C NO MONGOL PLAYER CAN EVER BEAT A VERY GOOD CIV PLAYER IN H2H STRAIGHT-UP. But you wouldn't know that, would you?? If I ever lost to a Mongol player straight-up in H2H I'd retire and end my CIV career!! Plain and simple - it hasn't happened to me yet in five years and it never will. The fact that he beat Kyodia during that streak is great but I'm willing to bet that Kyodia also agreed to choose the Mongols, or some other really weak civ in that game, b/c that's the only way I can see it happening. That's one very important detail that you 'conveniently forgot to mention' and chose to left out.

You're like a used car salesman because you've got no substance and what you say is actually crap. You've got issues man and I don't even know you... From now on, I'm just going to associate and try to make friends with the happy and normal sounding people that are on this board. I'm out.

Okay this is not my fight but scinse you seem to have no clue what you are talking about I just had to write a few words. A bad Mongol player could not beat a verry good civplayer in H2H. But a realy good Mongol player could do it quite easy.

I have had BC bombers several times with them and there isn't that hard to get 1-2 Keshik armies going fast. What Mongols need is some time and room in the start. If I could play my Mongols against your random civ (preferably not Zulu, america or China for obvious reasons) I'm certain I would have a good shot at taking you down if we don't spawn close. Also 2-3 early barbs and a close AI that I could take early would defently put you in a fight for the win.

I don't say Mongols rely on luck but they do rely on not having bad luck.. Bad luck with the Mongols and you are dead.. Lol..

I played his Mongols and he is good with them.. He was a little bit more agressive with them then I am though. He preferd to get 2-3 Keshik armies going and taking cities instead of expanding. I on the otherhand think Mongols are an extremly good techciv and can expand realy good. so I usualy make 1-2 Keshik armies. More like what i do with any civ.

*cheers*

[SVPM]

Okay this is not my fight but scinse you seem to have no clue what you are talking about I just had to write a few words. A bad Mongol player could not beat a verry good civplayer in H2H. But a realy good Mongol player could do it quite easy.

I have had BC bombers several times with them and there isn't that hard to get 1-2 Keshik armies going fast. What Mongols need is some time and room in the start. If I could play my Mongols against your random civ (preferably not Zulu, america or China for obvious reasons) I'm certain I would have a good shot at taking you down if we don't spawn close. Also 2-3 early barbs and a close AI that I could take early would defently put you in a fight for the win.

I don't say Mongols rely on luck but they do rely on not having bad luck.. Bad luck with the Mongols and you are dead.. Lol..

I played his Mongols and he is good with them.. He was a little bit more agressive with them then I am though. He preferd to get 2-3 Keshik armies going and taking cities instead of expanding. I on the otherhand think Mongols are an extremly good techciv and can expand realy good. so I usualy make 1-2 Keshik armies. More like what i do with any civ.

*cheers*

You forgot one part when you say you would beat his random civs.

He won't play you. He only plays kitten to keep his records...

Not playing freezer, I get it. Not playing good player...

[Frelinder]

You forgot one part when you say you would beat his random civs. He won't play you. He only plays kitten to keep his records...

Lol yea.. well I didn't say I would easaly beat him. However If I play 10 games my Mongols against random of his civs I would defintly win a few of them. And this I can say for sure even though he is an elite player or not. But scinse he state that he would never be beaten against an Mongol player makes me think he is not an Elite player.. In fact If a player don't even know how to use Mongols properly and Can't play well with them and don't recognize the power mongols can bring to the table I don't even look at them as an top player.. He might be a good player though.. hehe

*cheers*

[Amos Otis Jr]

U think Mongols r a good tech civ??? lmao = NOOB

2 to 3 keshik armies???... by that time I'd have at least 6 impi armies if i went offense or archer armies in all my cities if i went defense not including at least 2 capitals with libraries... lmao = NOOB

U can't really be that ignorant, can you? lol

[Amos Otis Jr]

Maybe the 'foreign' players aren't as good as the 'american' players ... with mawpawk the lone exeption

I've wondered, Do 'Chinese" players have this same exact game but play it on a Chinese speaking server??? Does anybody know?

They should have a sanctioned World Civilization Championship, just like the World Series of Poker with players from 40+ countries, now that would be awesome

[ScottieX]

"The fact that he beat Kyodia during that streak is great but I'm willing to bet that Kyodia also agreed to choose the Mongols, or some other really weak civ in that game, b/c that's the only way I can see it happening. That's one very important detail that you 'conveniently forgot to mention' and chose to left out."

Didn’t mention it because it was Spain.
Spain is a strong Civ - not USA but its good. probably mad convinced him not to be USA or he decided not to as he knew he was vs. Mongol..

"They should have a sanctioned World Civilization Championship, just like the World Series of Poker"

do you mean lie the one that me and Mawpawk/ Thrasher/ Morte are playing?

speaking of which ... did you just suggest that Italians (as an exmple of non amerians) aren’t good at Civ, because they are not stateside?

Ooohhh someone’s got a can of whoop ass with your name on it

But more seriously it helps to be able to talk about these things so it helps to have english as your native language - or at least be good enough to read the forum here. that being said poland dominates the single player mode

[SVPM]

Maybe the 'foreign' players aren't as good as the 'american' players ... with mawpawk the lone exeption

I've wondered, Do 'Chinese" players have this same exact game but play it on a Chinese speaking server??? Does anybody know?

They should have a sanctioned World Civilization Championship, just like the World Series of Poker with players from 40+ countries, now that would be awesome

Arrogant, big head and racist... at least you are funny!

[Codex]

Guys, lets try to keep any comments that can be construed as racist off of the boards. We're supposed to be an inclusive community, not one that supports insulting each other. Thanks.

[elthrasher]

I've wondered, Do 'Chinese" players have this same exact game but play it on a Chinese speaking server??? Does anybody know?

This game doesn't run off a server like that as far as I know. Instead one player (first to join the game) is the host and the game is run off his console. This is why there are resynch issues and related problems (no-fault freezes, etc.).

[elthrasher]

Talk being cheap and all...

I played a couple of Mongol games in ranked H2H. First opponent was an American player with a GB start. And we started close. But he was a bad player. He settled his GB and grew his city. I put two warriors on his tree and he armied up and killed the first one. Then lost 3-2.5 against the second, after which I walked into his empty city.

My next opponent was somebody who's been around a bit anyway. His record isn't good but that's because he doesn't wait out freezes. He had the Spanish. I moved and settled landlocked by a barb. I hadn't met any AI. I took my 3rd barb town and there was a Spanish warrior on the other side. I was double-wounded so he got the city. Next up, my first Keshik lost to his warrior. That's fun. But he didn't press me. He should have and probably would have won or at least constrained me. I managed a somewhat late Keshik army and took 4 pop Rome for CoL.

As the game went on it started lagging something horrible. My Internet connection was spotty today. Anyway, I didn't expand as much or manage my cities as much as I should have because everything was taking forever. Anyway, I got a GB and went with knights and Samurai Castle while my opponent teched ahead and GS'd Industrialization. I attacked one of his cities. It was lightly defended. The game froze. He quit shortly and sent me a message saying I froze it, whatever. It wasn't the best game I've had, but I liked my chances because my opponent never built anything other than defensive units. He said he had riflemen. That might save his cap, but I could have picked off several of his other cities. Well, whatever. It's too bad it froze and too bad it was a buggy game all along, but I do think I could have won it.

[Jackoneill]

Nevermind................

[Frelinder]

U think Mongols r a good tech civ??? lmao = NOOB

2 to 3 keshik armies???... by that time I'd have at least 6 impi armies if i went offense or archer armies in all my cities if i went defense not including at least 2 capitals with libraries... lmao = NOOB

U can't really be that ignorant, can you? lol

I usually build 1-2 Keshik armies. Madjin build 2-3. Anyways It seems to me that you only know how to play the Zulu. That doesn't take much skill and you even seems to be an average Zulu-player. Archer armies in all your cities? Multiple early librarys with the Zulus? If you go defensive against my Mongols you would even loose with the Zulus. Even though I think Zulu are the hardest matchup against the Mongols.

Yes mongols are a realy good expanding and techciv. What they need is a decent start. 2-3 barbs and a AI cap preferably not later then 2500BC. With that kind of start I usually got 15 cities by 1000 BC and If I get a GS as first GP you can be sure of that I would GS industrialization before year 0. Or I could expand a little less and instead have multiple Knight-armies in the late BC. 500 BC-0 AD. With my good production (+2 mountains) I could keep hard presure on you while keep expanding and if not killing you atleast take several of your cities. And when your cities are mine they give 50% extra trade.

I'm not ignorant. I'm not saying I'm the best player here. But it sounds like you are my friend. I know that many of the forums members are as good or better then me. And I'm certain of that if I played several games against a player here thats not as good as mee I would still loose a few of them. And if I played one that are better then me. I would still win a few of the games. You know why? Because luck is a big factor in this game. When you get to the point of a certain understanding and knowing of the game you could potentially beat any given elite player.

So this is why I know why I would beat you with my Mongols. Not every game, maybe not most of the games, but certanly a few of the games..

*cheers*

[Liam_Sutty]

I think it would be a nice gesture of him to put libraries into your 50% extra trade cities! Bless his cottons...

[Frelinder]

Okay scinse we where diskussion the Mongols I will write about my latest game with them against a forum-member. It was a feew weeks ago, maybe a month. Hmm.. to bad I don't have the time to play more often

Anyways my Mongols against Scotties India.

I spawn on a pensulina (or how its spelled ) I walked and spotted 1 barb. settled right next to it in 3900 BC. I Chrunched out 2 warrs, took the barb and one more barb real close east from me, named 1 tile and then popped a friendly hut and got a caravan. while my cap storing hammers I researched Hbr in the barb-cities. My Caravan I send south-east and encountered the russian AI. I get a third barb city with my secon warrior that wen't west. I finished Hbr I think 2900 BC. I got 50 gold from russian, then sold them Hbr for 10 gold. I had banked hammers enough to get one Keshik out from my cap right away when finishing Hbr so i could then threaten russia for 25 gold. I did this because I had also spotted the Americans boarder north-east from me north above russians cap. so now I had 95 gold, My cap and 3 barb cities, 2 warrs and 1 Keshik. I then put 3 pop on gold and next turn I got my free settler and rushed 2 more Keshiks. Made a sling to get 4 movement with my HA to faster get it to the Americans cap. My warrior that had wen't east was now close to the americans and I then got a message that Scottie had declared war on the Americans. I send my warr up first in front of my HA as a lookout and bate on the hill next to Americans cap with my Ha right behind it. Scottie was there with an WA and he killed my bate warr so I then killed his WA with my HA. The year was now 2700 BC-ish.

Scottie then wrote me an message that he screwed up and he throwed in the towel.

Analyze: I had a great start. Its not often you get 100g with Mongols that fast but it happens sometimes. If I haden't got the caravan I wouldn't have got 100g I would have gotten my HA out quite fast anyway thanks to 3 barbcities, naming tile, threaten AI etc.. Scottie knew when he lost his WA against my HA that I would take 3 pop america cap and he knew that with that kind a start for me he would have a realy hard time to defeat me. I would have had 6 cities in year 2500 Bc. My cap, 3 barbcities, 100g city and americans cap. Americans cap would give me 50% bonus in trade. I don't remember if it had 3 water-tiles though. If so thats 9 beakers just from that city.

Maybe Scottie could have won the game if he had continued, Wen't for legions scinse we where close and then attack me early with fundy-Vet legions. I'm not saying I won this game because I'm better then him or that Mongols are a better civ then India. But obviously he didn't had a great start but I did. So the luck was on my side. I belive that most people that have played against Scottie considering him as a very good player but against good competition that isn't always enough. You need some luck to or atleast not bad luck

*cheers*

[SVPM]

I spawn on a pensulina (or how its spelled )

No it's not, but it should. It's more beautiful written this way

[ScottieX]

No it's not, but it should. It's more beautiful written this way

I agree!!!!!!

[Liam_Sutty]

I'll second that! "I walked down the pensulina where I found the beautiful montanians lay in wait..." ;-)

[newsgothic]

Two very different, yet exciting games today.

My Japan v. Zulu
I've played lots of march march kill kill Zulus before, but this guy was very good. He had 2 AIs before I could say konnichiwa. Only saw 1 barb, (HBR) which is normally pretty great, but without gold, it kinda sucks. Tried to scout him out and put some archers in his trees. Took out some units with my HA, but before long he had 15 techs to my 4 or so. I message him "gg" and he replies "same matchup anytime." lol, like I want a rematch of my Japan against an elite Zulu. Think I need to bring a bigger gun to that fight.

Next up, my Spain v. England.
Another slow start but I get a free galley, sail across small water and find the Brits. He's got a 100g Dover out pretty quick so I'm thinking this could be a tough slog. Stick my militia over there and see that he's got a warrior in there and a road to London. Nice. Later, I bring a LA and an archer and attack. After a couple of turns, he starts sending archers, but I've got vet march now. The Americans settle right next to my LA and archer. I bring over another LA. Stonehenge in London. On the same turn that I take Dover, he flips the American city. Now he's got an AA in the American city. On the next turn, he moves out his AA. (Maybe he was going to attack my LA but didn't want to go across the river?) So I walk in with my 2nd LA. Then I take out the single legion in London and walk in on his GA with my archer.

[elthrasher]

Stonehenge in London.

This is a special signal that CivRev players like to send. It means, "I have absolutely no freaking idea what I'm doing and you can win however you like!"

[newsgothic]

This is a special signal that CivRev players like to send. It means, "I have absolutely no freaking idea what I'm doing and you can win however you like!"

Lolling for real.

[Zefelius]

This is a special signal that CivRev players like to send. It means, "I have absolutely no freaking idea what I'm doing and you can win however you like!"

Hahaha! I build it sometimes, but by accident, as when I'm banking hammers. When I do that I definitely feel like a noob!

[ScottieX]

Hahaha! I build it sometimes, but by accident, as when I'm banking hammers. When I do that I definitely feel like a noob!

but but....
if you had from SoC a GS and a GB and were camping AoC....
you could havee GS'd CB, rushed a temple or two and poped AoC for Cathedrals...
then GB'd StoneHenge.

With the monarchy bonus you'd have a cultural boarder so huge noone could even talk to you for millenia !

[elthrasher]

Hahaha! I build it sometimes, but by accident, as when I'm banking hammers. When I do that I definitely feel like a noob!

I did almost built it once as the Mongols in a ranked game that I ended up winning. How would that make you feel? Opponent is Mongol, builds Stonehenge first, then goes on to win. Though I guess I might have lost if I'd actually built Stonehenge.

Here's my secret for not actually building it: I'm usually finishing my turns faster than my opponent. Then I get bored and start triple-checking everything.

[ScottieX]

my mongols vs K9murs americans.
just testing what i could do with them if i get some luck.

I started off with a bit of a walk and named a tile, I then saw a friendly hut. I decided I'd take HBR because i thought I could name another tile. I didnt in the end but I spotted arabs boarders in time to get a walkin with a Horse as my first unit. I then used that horse to get a freindly and some barbs and continued to work everything on hammers changing to fundy.

At this point was feeling pretty good as the american didnt have a cap yet.

So i spotted the boarders of the zulu from a hill to the SE with a barb between me and them. also saw the dark blue boarders at the very edge of the map to the right (from the hill again) the barb was 2 flag so i decided to wait for my HA to overrun it (and to get the extra experience as he unit with the experience was to the west and i didnt want them stealing my barb. Also gave me time to wait for reinforcements if i got caught attacking zulu.

I then saw K9mur turn up with a WA and a HA. he couldnt see me from the hill so i decided to let him do the dirty work of killing hte zulu and i set up 4 horses such that i could army up either side of a set of mountains and either go via the barb to kill his ha outside the cap or straight to the zulu cap to kill it if it ended up there. he attacked HA first so that left his ha outside the cap with the WA in it, i thus killed the HA. next turn he attacked with the WA and lost (guaranteed loss actually but there was no saving that WA as the horse was now blitz and fundy) and my other horse killed his Archer in the city. would have now had 2HA coming for his cap (after buying and forming it).

I'm not sure if K9mur is good or not ... but really I'm not sure it mattered. can any of you resist mongols with about 4 barb cities and 2 ai caps having killed your HA and WA with fundy, knowing where your cap is and having 2 HA close to it - still very early in the game?

[SVPM]

I'm not sure if K9mur is good or not ... but really I'm not sure it mattered. can any of you resist mongols with about 4 barb cities and 2 ai caps having killed your HA and WA with fundy, knowing where your cap is and having 2 HA close to it - still very early in the game?

Amon Otis jr can!

[elthrasher]

I'm not sure if K9mur is good or not ... but really I'm not sure it mattered. can any of you resist mongols with about 4 barb cities and 2 ai caps having killed your HA and WA with fundy, knowing where your cap is and having 2 HA close to it - still very early in the game?

With America? Possibly. Depends on what I've got. I've played that guy but can't recall if he's good. Playing America in ranked tends to mean not very good in my experience, but I suppose you never know. It sounds to me like whether or not he's good, he's used to ranked matches where battle tactics are largely irrelevant and games tend to be won by whoever forms a horse army first (whoever doesn't bother to form a horse army automatically loses).

[Liam_Sutty]

I remember when you used to use mongols quite a bit and could guarantee a Collosus Egypt walkin! ;-)

[newsgothic]

Played a good friendly: my Germans v. tsceow and his Japanese. I took Rome and I think he took Delhi. He suprised me at Rome with a HA and I surprised him at Kyoto. He had an injured HA and I had an injured legion and a spy in Rome. Here's the weird thing: at the exact moment that I take Kyoto, he said his HA disappeared. I was busy with Kyoto so I didn't see what happened. What's up with that? Resync issue?