$hit, thats fricked up, and your'e right.Originally Posted by asmodeios
$hit, thats fricked up, and your'e right.
Would you feel any better if the error message was instead "You have disconnected from the game host"? Doubtful.
I was the host in both games...
That's weird. I don't know if that's ever happened to me when I was host. Hasn't happened at all since I moved (except one time I actually did disconnect from xbl).
I played five games last night hoping Mawpawk would come back on. My rank had reset again. Been busy with holiday stuff.
I got the Americans in the first game vs. Spanish. Boring! Anyway, first barb gave me a galley so I got to galley-drop Delhi, which the Spanish player was trying to settler-rush. He settled beside and attacked anyway, losing to my militia. I'd just finished horseback so I galloped around his 2nd warrior and took Madrid. It wasn't going to be a good game anyway.
I got the Americans again in the second. Fortunately my Mongol opponent decided not to bother with the game.
I got Egypt vs. England in the 3rd. That's better. I settled in a dumb spot by a barb and got the Colossus. But no biggie because my opponent hadn't settled 10 turns in. I chased him around with a warrior for a bit and was going to grab him with a horse from the other direction but he just quit.
I finally got a good matchup, French vs. Americans. My opponent GS'd Horseback on turn 1, which we know is subpar play, so it probably would have been a really good match. I was blocked on a peninsula by a barb, so slow start for me. I eventually got some gold and got some armies out and took Tripoli (got Bronze, alas) a few turns after he'd taken Beijing. We met at Delhi in the middle...or I think we did anyway. He was attacking India, then going to peace, but I couldn't see any army. I moved my army around a little and got attacked out of nowhere. Couldn't see my attacker, then got a hard freeze.
I expect this was a synchronization issue. My console didn't know he had an army there, but he must have. I restarted and messaged the guy, since I didn't know if he'd frozen as well or not. He responded with "that sucks gg" which was nice as I'm sure he thought I was a noob for playing the French and the game was in the bag. It would have been epic (and I would have won)!
Last one I found a lobby with Priestly Ben. I haven't played him in more than a year and I remember him as a good player, but I have read that he's learned some new tricks as well. Perfect chance to finally use my counter-trick! But I have to outplay him as well. Well, that wasn't too hard. I got the Aztecs and he had his customary English. I settler-rushed Spain with minor difficulty and saw we were close to one another. He had horseback and 100 gold. I had two caps, Navigation, a non-vet warrior army and 11 gold.
A couple of turns later I had killed some single horses but never saw an army and had my warrior army on a hill by London with galleon support. He just had a militia in London. I tried to unload to that hill sneakily but I knew that didn't matter. He'd given up trying to win by outplaying me already. Next turn he did his thing and I did my anti-thing and took London. He tried it once more, then quit.
I sent him "pause freeze doesn't work anymore. learn to play". He responded with "you just got lucky!" which rather missed the point I think. Whatever. I look forward to playing other pause freezers because they are even easier to beat. A fair player would have tried to get a second warrior in London to stop my warrior army.
strong work! noone has tried it against me recently. still get barb glitchers though...
Got some more games in today. In the first one I got Zulu vs. a Greek player who left his city balanced. I spawned right next to him. It was over real fast.
Then I got the Americans for the third time in seven games. This time I was up against a decent Spanish player. It was kind of a fun game, though I probably would have lost if not for my broken bonuses. I got a horse army and took London. He flipped it immediately (must have got Confucius but I received no notification), getting my army and of course the city. No problem. Just fall back on broken bonuses. 30 turns later I'm tearing it up with fundamentalist knights. Poor guy fought back valiantly with knights of his own (or conquistidores as they call them), but he didn't have nearly enough. He quit after I took Madrid, which had the EIC. Would have been a simple matter for me to grab the last two caps.
Next game I got the Arabs vs. Americans. I like it. But I moved the wrong way and had a slow start and was wondering how I was going to get in the game. Then I noticed he had his GP settled. He quit a couple turns later without even having made contact.
America vs. Spain is too easy. France with a tiny island start vs. Spain is too hard! That's what I had next. This guy wasn't bad either. He took Karakorum early. I managed landfall but had to watch helplessly as he swooped in and grabbed Angkor Wat. He never attacked me, but corralled me with warriors and a galleon so that I couldn't spread out much. I managed to get a mere ten cities out. I got no good GP. An artist would have been nice. Instead I got a scientist and then an explorer. Sigh. I used the scientist for CoL. Maybe should have saved him.
In any case, this guy knew how to press. Every time he got a new tech, he klunked me over the head with it. Eventually he brought a cruiser loaded with various junk. That was enough. I couldn't possibly have put up adequate defenses and teched as well as I was doing. The turn my GS for Industrialization showed up, Paris fell. Ha. No hope after that.
Last one was China vs. the ever-popular Spain. I don't like playing China! I moved my settlers a long way and didn't find anyone. I had moved far from my opponent, I learned later. Then Mawpawk logged on and I didn't want to play this stupid game. I just chucked horses at my opponent in the hopes he wouldn't be able to handle them. He couldn't.
So in ten games I've gotten:
America x3
Arabs x1
Aztecs x1
China x1
Egyptians x1
French x2
Zulu x1
Mighty high concentration of power civs. Hopefully that will discontinue.
haha! Yeah, just ever so slightly...
Love it when Russia sees an early artifact---especially the KT knight. That's all...
One time their map showed me SoC but I was so excited about the village that I didnt really notice it before medieval
That's sad and funny at the same time!One time their map showed me SoC but I was so excited about the village that I didnt really notice it before medieval
I've been really enjoying Spain lately. The wonderful thing about them is that they're hardly ever trapped. They always seem to have a back up plan. Haven't used any power civs lately except just once or twice. Almost all Spain this last month as well as some lower civs to mix it up. Top 10 isn't too far away, so hopefully I'll get back in this week or the next, and then maybe after that I'll just start going random until Civ Rev 2 comes out!
I had a long, fun game last night. I got France against a player I'd given a positive review to (I don't know if anyone cares about this, but I try to remember to do it for players who don't use glitches and are fun to play with). He had Egypt and settled with the Colossus (presumably) by a bunch of deserts after a couple of turns.
I marched north, got 25 gold and kept walking until I found what I was looking for, Madrid. I had the option of settling in a bad spot close or settling on one tree and a whale a little farther away. That seemed like fun because you know I was sure to get navigation. Yeah, uh....
My warrior didn't arrive in time but there was a hill to attack from. Unfortunately Spain hit an exploration tile immediately and had gold to rush a 2nd warrior so I wasn't going to take it with one warrior. I had to hammer out two more with my one stupid tree. Egypt was in medieval by the time I was done, ha. I brought three warriors back to Madrid and attacked with the first one off the hill - 1.5 to 0.84? WTF? The second warrior had wandered off somewhere and the first one I wounded had never fortified or healed! Ugh. All those wasted turns. But I got Navigation, so not a total loss. Stupid AI. London was also very close, but it was too late and I couldn't rush it. I claimed my one and only barb around this time and got a caravan to send to London. I rushed a galleon and went and got Angkor Wat for the Great Wall. I also found the Ark, but no Seven Cities of Gold or Knights Templar. Those would've turned my game around fast. I expanded very slowly due to no gold and just the one tree for Paris, but eventually got some cities out. I was about ten techs behind, so not so terrible. I got a humanitarian (not that great with all whale cities, but whatever) and stole a GL from London.
My opponent teched Engineering very fast and dropped a guy into one of my cities, but he just got the one. I went for Democracy, struggling to catch up. My opponent probably would have smoked me in tech, but he was tech-jumping like crazy. He'd probably wasted more beakers than I'd earned at this point.
I got Banking and he got Steam Power, but he was in Democracy and was not a glitcher (this I know from the positive review I left him). I got Invention to slow his tech rate as he hadn't expanded that much. Finished Banking and he already had Industrialization. I had the GS and had gotten University, but I didn't have enough stored prod for Oxford anyway. I earned Steam Power to see if Corp was there. Nope. He had that and Railroad, but nobody had Feudalism or Gunpowder yet. Definitely time to strike. I saw I could GS Steel. Obsolete his cruisers, yeah! I changed to Monarchy and made landfall by his production town with an elite legion army, three unarmied elite knights and some other junk. He was defending with pikes so I took the city, then took back the other one I had lost earlier.
Unfortunately, many of his cities were settled inland. Battleships and legions won't help here, but the English settled a GB and I went and got it, then slowteched up to Combustion (no French cannons, sorry), GB'd Leonardo's Workshop and had a bunch of elite tank armies in glorious noob style. It was about 1500 AD. I took one city and he quit.
Don't get many games like this one. Reminds me of the old days.
I usually do the same...
I think when everyone first starts playing Leo's is just simply amazing. Seems like the best wonder in the world. Obviously for you it still comes in handy from time to time!!
TyShine beat me with it once. I had a big tech lead as Japan and was killing his many, many Indian knights with a few tanks. Then he got Combustion and finished Leo's. There are a few cases in which having the money techs suddenly doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. This is one of them.I think when everyone first starts playing Leo's is just simply amazing. Seems like the best wonder in the world. Obviously for you it still comes in handy from time to time!!
I believe this would be seen very often if it wasn't for Oxford.I think when everyone first starts playing Leo's is just simply amazing. Seems like the best wonder in the world. Obviously for you it still comes in handy from time to time!!
I build both oxford and leo's in many games.
Hell I usually will have 3 cities producing knights when I have built oxford for bombers so I will have a land unit to capture cities with. Just a short step away to transform them into tanks.
It may be overkill in a lot of games but in some few, and far between, it is what decides to game.
I browsed the archives and found this evolution of "power wonders"
Manhattan Project ->Leonardo's Workshop -> East India Trading Company -> (Egypts starting Collossus of Rhodes ->) Oxford University
Now if only they'd patch the mighty Stonehenge so it actually does something über cool like make warriors have all upgrades as if blessed by druids....or something like that....
Absolutely agreed...
How funny.... I think I've seen the Manhattan Project once in the last year. Sadly it was against me!! Ha!I browsed the archives and found this evolution of "power wonders"
Manhattan Project ->Leonardo's Workshop -> East India Trading Company -> (Egypts starting Collossus of Rhodes ->) Oxford University
I'm getting to be pretty bad at predicting oppositon behavior. For example, in two games using Spain, once a couple of weeks ago against Chief Rocka and then tonight against Ruthless, I lost a city to an attack from sea---even after building a few galleons and sinking one of their galleys in each case. After showing sea power via an attack of some sort, I mistakenly assume only an idiot would build a galley and attempt a sea attack. I don't think I would. In tonight's game we each take a cap, expand to about the same, I sink a galley with one of my galleons, as well as a bunch of other stuff that's happening (details not needed), but then sure enough he builds another galley and attacks one of my whale island cities with a HA. I guess it was the right move in this case, as it really helped him, but I have a hard time imagining that if I were the Arabs I would be investing in galleys against Spain. I suppose he imagined that my galleons couldn't be everywhere, but it still seems like a risk. Well, that dropped me out of the top 15 and put him into it, so it was a good game for him and he deserves credit. But sometimes I think I just don't understand other people's thinking even when it proves to be sound in the particular case....
If your opponent is 100% predictable and only makes moves that follow conventional wisdom (galleys against the Spanish? Absurd!), then you should be able to beat him 100% of the time.
I agree Thrasher. And I thought of that as well. And I'm sure that's what Ruthless was thinking: I'll go for an island city hoping that a galleon isn't nearby. And it worked because one of my galleons had just left the area to drop off a settler. But it still seems like a hefty investment to make a second galley against the Spanish as opposed to more settlers. But I've def learned my lesson!!
After going about 30-2 with Spain, give or take, I've been playing crappy games. A loss to Zulu in a few moves. A loss to Ruthless when I left an island lightly protected thinking he wouldn't build a second galley after I destroyed his first. And now a game against China which was just absolutley stupid!!
I move my settler from the north pole for a few moves only to learn that there is a village blocking the only way to the mainland---and there are no trees nearby so I take a few more moves to get back into my starting spot. I hate that. Then my HA loses 6-3 to Russia. And since that wasn't enough bad luck, a vet horse of mine from a hill loses to a barb 4-.5. All this while the Chinese guy just sits back and expands. Hate those games!
I tend to run into a few of them games myself. I will go on a long win streak then all of the sudden i will lose like 4 in a row due to bad luck, bad map, or just plain bad choices.
Yep... just about the time I start thinking I'm invincibe, I lose 4 in a row as well!!
BTW, does anyone have any opinions on hitting diplomacy before the end of the turn? I think I read about that last year in a game between (maybe) Jack and Aheadatime, and it seemed controversial. Was that ever resolved? I've done it a few times myself, when there's a standoff in front of a barb, but I feel sort of guilty and so I thought I should doublecheck with everyone.
I USED to do it a few times when going for a walk-in/galley-drop/mexican barb stand-off/...Yep... just about the time I start thinking I'm invincibe, I lose 4 in a row as well!!
BTW, does anyone have any opinions on hitting diplomacy before the end of the turn? I think I read about that last year in a game between (maybe) Jack and Aheadatime, and it seemed controversial. Was that ever resolved? I've done it a few times myself, when there's a standoff in front of a barb, but I feel sort of guilty and so I thought I should doublecheck with everyone.
BUT it HIGHLY increases chances of freezing up (spinning gears).
Just to let you know
Me and Dan ran into that situation last night in a ffa match. He got the barb because he attacked right at the end of the turn and vetted up for it and i didnt have enough time to attack and i got my hundred gold the next turn so he beat me to it again lol that sly dog. So thats how i handle a barb stand-off i either get it by being cunning or i lose it by my own mistakes.
it looked like you fortified your warrior so i thought i would get a little head start the next turn. i knew i'd vet up so it was a good gamble. alas, i won the battle but you won the war. i got my 100 g and wanted to explore the area north that i hadn't explored yet. i stupidly didn't pick my galleon spot and it spawned on the wrong side. i loaded my settler and archer on it and moved it away. the very same turn an arab non-vet warrior army double moves me from the north. i almost got the galleon back in time but i had to rush an archer 1st. it didn't look that big up there. i never thought a civ would be there that early.
good game yesterday against a regular zulu user. i was egypt w/stonehenge. i walked in on karokorum and split out of there with 2 warriors. i was teching to hbr when i saw a zulu from a hill. i changed to bw but it was too late. i had a feeling he was outside of thebes but i wouldn't adar. he was where i thought and walked in on me next turn. i finished bw in time to save karokorum but i was in big trouble i was 2 squares from a 3 culture city and had zero myself. luckily i spotted the fringe of madrid to the east and was shown aw to the south. i mustered a vet HA and took it. he got an AA in thebes and i didn't want my whole game to hinge on a coin toss fight. he settled a GA there and i was fighting a flip for the next 30 turns. luckily it had a lake next to it so i was able to leave it empty and take it back every time it flipped. meanwhile i took an arab city, and a nice zulu one with a library. with navigation i just expanded like crazy and finally caught him in tech at corp. i used a gb on oxford just before and with all the gold coming in i was able to slowly constrict him with bombers and a cruiser fleet. i was sooo close to getting knocked out early. he should have run multiple warrior armies at me to never give me a chance to get started. i was also amazed he couldn't flip me with that GA instead of settling it.
Hmmmm... I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!I USED to do it a few times when going for a walk-in/galley-drop/mexican barb stand-off/...
BUT it HIGHLY increases chances of freezing up (spinning gears).
Just to let you know
Just used India: moved my settler, picked up 25 gold, settled next to a barb, and almost immediately the China player camps one of my forest tiles! So I build an army, attack 3-2, and lose! Geesh!
Last edited by Zefelius; 01-09-2011 at 08:40 PM.
Next time don't form the army right away. You have three warriors. Attack 1-2, 1-2, 3-2, retreating before you lose your units. You will wound him in the first two battles and by the time you get to the 3rd, you'll win easily. You might even win in one of the first two in which case you'll get a vet upgrade.
I played two tonight. I got Japan both times. First time my English opponent wandered for ages, settled by me with no gold, saw my warrior and quit.
My opponent was Aztec in the second game. Japan vs. Aztecs is kinda weak. I walked my settler a little, but started feeling like I might be on an island, so I settled by fish and a bunch of trees. I had no gold and had some very boring turns while I waited for my first warriors to finish. I then researched horseback, still unsure if I was on an island or not. First barb gave me 50 gold! Then I got a vet upgrade and free Bronze Working. Bleah. Turned out my turf did connect to the mainland. I ran into an Aztec warrior there and found Moscow nearby. London fell and an Aztec horse army showed up. Not looking good. He went after Moscow though. Just then the Russians found the Seven Cities of Gold. I immediately sold Ceremonial Burial and Horseback Riding for 90 gold. Russia rushed a Cossack horseman and attacked the Aztec horse army off a hill, killing it. Is that awesome or what? Go Russia! I rewarded my AI friend by stealing a caravan and sending it to her. Sometimes the AI is just there for you.
Anyway, this guy was a total turtler. I think he stayed at three cities with rushed libraries. He never expanded. I teched up to CoL, then expanded a bunch. Russia found the Ark and settled a GA, so I had a problem with one of my cities constantly flipping, but really that just helped me pass the time while I waited for bombers. For some reason my opponent didn't quit until I took two of his three cities.
Holy crap that's genius!!!!! I bet the forum has known about this for years and years and everyone thinks of it as common knowledge at this point, but I'm still excited to learn something new! HAHA!
By the way, just had a crazy start of a game to continue my recent bad stretch: I move Spain from the North Pole, see the Arab settler at the end of my peninsula, and as there are no barbs behind me I try to move around him. He sees me and settles. I actually am forced to move through his territory and thus declare war. I make it past him. But a couple moves later, passing no barbs or huts, I see the Russians. I can't settle as there are no trees and the Arab opponent has taken a barb already for gold. So I have to sneak by again and thus declare war a second time with my settler. I bet I'm the only player to have ever done that!!!! I get past, but again there's no good place to settle on the other side---just one village and a single tree. I take a couple more turns looking for a naming tile, but there's nothing and then the Russians take the barb. So I quit in 2900 with 0 gold and not having settled!
Totally wierd game declaring war twice moving a settler through enemy territory!
Yeah Yeah Yeah - Sup y'all... The big gorilla has finally entered the building. Amos is in the house!!!
Yo, I just wanna say a few things:
Currently, Half of the players ranked in the 10 in h2h right now are cheaters. FlashGordon is really Brentpsu - the same loser who's been using a lag switch for the last 2 years. Lord Parmenion let his account get erased and now he boosts and Madmaclock is a cheater. La Angels/Kyodai is a solid player but from what I hear he now ducks top opponents. The last 2 times I played him, I schooled him, and haven't seen him since so he probably listed me as an avoided player. What's this game coming to??
The only player who has EVER beat me 3 times is a row is Mawpawk so props to him. My win/loss ratio is only 6:1 is bc I love to play top players so my opposition quality almost always very high. I don't duck anyone unless you're a known cheater/freezer.
Lastly, I'm very proud of my profile's 0 star rating. I wear it as a Badge of Honor. It's because to me, Civ is the only game worth playing on XBOX, so I see the same players over and over again and almost always get under their skin.
Peace everybody
Hey welcome! I think we've played before, but I don't recall the outcome.
For top competition, see here: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...Match-Proposal
Also we've got one game left in an epic tournament. When that's done, I think there will be enough interest to have another one.
I would be very interested to play with a couple modified rules such as no settler moving, no oxford. Possibly even a few tweaks to the GP such as settle the GS and GB only. I know we tried out something like this in player matches with mixed success.
Many of the games come down to luck because of settler moving. If you don't move, you're giving up a lot of potential. This leads to both players moving and a lot of 10 turn games.
Looking forward to the finals tonight!
I was playing with Mawpawk and another guy on Saturday and we played some of the scenarios. I think at least some of them are free. Can't recall as it was so long ago that I got them. Anyway, there's one called Equal Opportunity where everybody starts on an island with something like 2 barbs and 1 friendly or something like that. You can walk your settler if you want, but there's not going to really be any advantage.
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