Mafia II Request Thread: For the 2K Martin & 2K Denby

[Mark Meltzer]

Since you guys are here, and taking our suggestions I thought it might be a good idea to create want us fans really want in Mafia II...Also please don't mention over disscussed topics like driving, I'm talking about new features to put in the game (while there's still time)...


So I'll begin;

Request Ideas for Mafia II

-Have haircut barbers (ex: give the player options to have swayed back hair, combed hair, flat hair, ect..Give the player a sence of customization)
-Beard Options (to keep this realistic I was thinking maybe you need to grow a beard in the game as it progresses and then you can go to barber and pay for a different styles from a mustache, to mutton chops...)
-Tatooe parlor (now I don't know if they even existed in the 40's & 50's but if they did it'd be nice to get some to show your life story)
-Make an RPG element (what I like so much in GTA: San Andreas was that if you ate to much there would be a consequence, if you worked out alot in the gym you'd get stronger and bigger. So at least give the player a consequence if he eats to much food like Vito runs slower or what, and same thing for the gym let the player also gain muscle while he's there)...
-Make Guns break from time to time (like in System Shock 2)
-Make various NPC police models (I find that in games like in Saints Row, or GTA 4 that they forget to make various NPC police models)
-If you ever get a speeding ticket and stop for the police, allow the police officer to check around the car and in your trunk to see if your hiding anything special *cough* a dead broad for example *cough*
-Give Vito a love angle (and perhaps give the option for him to date girls?)
-Make a mission (or just allow the player in general) to fly in a airplane, or use a speedboat
-Don't cheap out on the ending like some other games (bioshock, bioshock, bioshock, bioshock, did I mention bioshock???)
-Make a nice ending credits like in the movies (please don't cheap out on the end, please!)

...I can't really think of much more...hope you consider some of them (though who am I kidding?)

[neon25]

Since you guys are here, and taking our suggestions I thought it might be a good idea to create want us fans really want in Mafia II...Also please don't mention over disscussed topics like driving, I'm talking about new features to put in the game (while there's still time)...


So I'll begin;

Request Ideas for Mafia II

-Have haircut barbers (ex: give the player options to have swayed back hair, combed hair, flat hair, ect..Give the player a sence of customization)
-Beard Options (to keep this realistic I was thinking maybe you need to grow a beard in the game as it progresses and then you can go to barber and pay for a different styles from a mustache, to mutton chops...)
-Tatooe parlor (now I don't know if they even existed in the 40's & 50's but if they did it'd be nice to get some to show your life story)
-Make an RPG element (what I like so much in GTA: San Andreas was that if you ate to much there would be a consequence, if you worked out alot in the gym you'd get stronger and bigger. So at least give the player a consequence if he eats to much food like Vito runs slower or what, and same thing for the gym let the player also gain muscle while he's there)...
-Make Guns break from time to time (like in System Shock 2)
-Make various NPC police models (I find that in games like in Saints Row, or GTA 4 that they forget to make various NPC police models)
-If you ever get a speeding ticket and stop for the police, allow the police officer to check around the car and in your trunk to see if your hiding anything special *cough* a dead broad for example *cough*
-Give Vito a love angle (and perhaps give the option for him to date girls?)
-Make a mission (or just allow the player in general) to fly in a airplane, or use a speedboat
-Don't cheap out on the ending like some other games (bioshock, bioshock, bioshock, bioshock, did I mention bioshock???)
-Make a nice ending credits like in the movies (please don't cheap out on the end, please!)

...I can't really think of much more...hope you consider some of them (though who am I kidding?)

Here's my request.

Don't make it another GTA clone, which is basically what Mark described.

Sorry.

[Mark Meltzer]

Well if the developers are already making the option to buy clothes, eat, customize your car, then I don't see what the big deal is about changeing your hairstlye, or changeing your beard style...

Also how come if GTA has a feature, and you put in another game then it's considered as a clone? I mean in a FPS you basically do the same things, but no one ever calls a game a Halo clone..

[jdowny]

Well if the developers are already making the option to buy clothes, eat, customize your car, then I don't see what the big deal is about changeing your hairstlye, or changeing your beard style...

Also how come if GTA has a feature, and you put in another game then it's considered as a clone? I mean in a FPS you basically do the same things, but no one ever calls a game a Halo clone..

There's a fine line between implementing those features whilst doing so in a unique style and making a blatant copy. For example, you can go to the gym in Mafia II in order to learn new fighting techniques (from what I gather), but there's far more room to make it different. We don't yet know how it will work exactly, but you can be fairly sure that it won't just be the simple process that it was in San Andreas.

There's also the point that a lot of these customisation features that were included in SA detract from the story. When your main character is sporting an afro and weighs the same as an elephant, it doesn't quite have the same power. When the game is centered so heavily on story as in Mafia II, the customisation no longer adds the same appeal. You could also argue that Mafia II is more a more mature audience than SA was, and so the incessent customization won't appeal to this game's audience.

In the long run, it wouldn't be worth the criticisms for making a game that was such a blantant copy of another. You might think it would make a great game, but clearly others disagree. I personally greatly admire Mafia for not being so like GTA: SA. I actually think that Mafia was a great inspiration for GTA IV, since they share so much in terms of realism.

Also, I don't think you can customize your character in Halo to wear a tank top with crazy tattoos and get girlfriends. I'm not sure if that's what you meant though.

[MetalliTooL]

Mark, if you like all that gimmicky ****, get GTA, or better yet get The Sims.

[Marcquez]

I don't think a request thread is such a good idea.

The 2K developers are here to help us in our discussions, but I don't think they got time to comment on all these questions you guys ask them.
It's like Elisabeth says, just continue with the regular topics, and they will pop in once in a while. Let them work on the game

You are totally describing GTA, this is not Mafia

[Max"The Ripper"]

Guys cut it out. He has some very good ideas and it is his right to tell these ideas. Dont give him **** for giving his opinion.

Mark- I like the ideas. i want them to make the game a bit less liner then the first Mafia (not that it wasent the best game ever)

[Sonix]

Guys cut it out. He has some very good ideas and it is his right to tell these ideas. Dont give him **** for giving his opinion.

Mark- I like the ideas. i want them to make the game a bit less liner then the first Mafia (not that it wasent the best game ever)

That would totally destroy it's uniqueness.The only thing that made Mafia a GOOD game and NOT a GTA clone was it's linearity and story.

[Dbeat]

well beard, and tatoos it cant be...mafia 2 had a strict story line so it cant change the appeareance of vito anytime you want..., eem the gym will get you more stronger but as i said before the appereance cant change too much just imagine a fat vito in an action cutscene...it would ruin the game, the other things you mention may happen or may not only time will tell.

[Max"The Ripper"]

well beard, and tatoos it cant be...mafia 2 had a strict story line so it cant change the appeareance of vito anytime you want..., eem the gym will get you more stronger but as i said before the appereance cant change too much just imagine a fat vito in an action cutscene...it would ruin the game, the other things you mention may happen or may not only time will tell.

Exactly....i mean fat vito with a fu man chu beard? RUIN....but different styles of hair thats cool. but calling every non-liner feature a GTA clone its like what the ****!

[Pachu]

Okay, wait a second.

Bioshock, bad ending? No way. I'm sorry, and know that this is my personal view of it, but it was an awesome ending. Maybe not so the final boss fight, but only because it was overshadowed by the plot twist.

End of offtopic.

Going back to the features...
No, thanks. Sounds fun. Not for Mafia II.
You're naming things we've seen in games such as GTA San Andreas or...GTA IV. And I don't want that; I think almost nobody here wants that.
We want the real Mafia experience, a story driven game that really holds you and doesn't let you go.
In my personal opinion, games that have tried to feature a character customization array of options went dead half along the way. It's, like, you're not portraying yourself, you're reflecting yourself through an avatar in a game that might not fit at all; it's not really YOU playing, which is basically the aim of the character tayloring, so we might as well follow the steps in the story of this guy who is a really cool character and has an interesting story to tell.
Well, I got tangled up with the idea in my head; not been able to put it here on the screen because my head is leaning over sleep, but that's pretty much the main idea of my post: Don't make Mafia what it's not.

And it's not asking 'Make Mafia II exactly like the first one', it's asking to save effort and time in making what made Mafia I even awesome...r

Man, I'm off to sleep. I could I'm sorta headbanbing withasklñshtalzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz...
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[Godfather1930]

I don't agree with anything Mark said. That's exactly what I don't want.

Customizing cars and buying them is enough for me.

Leave the rest to GTA.

Close this thread.

Edit: there is one ideea that I like. "Make the guns break from time to time".

[ThaCrip]

i think the ONLY 'realistic' stuff that might be decent in Mafia 2 is...

"-Make Guns break from time to time (like in System Shock 2)"

that might not be a bad idea although as to how they would implement it could be tricky as you dont want your gun failing in a long mission without a save and then have your gun jam and have almost no other options of beating the level etc.... i think you get the general point here (basically if this was in the game it would need to be balanced well and leave you other options for getting through bad guys if your gun should jam.... either way i would not want this to play a big part in the game for the most part but a little gun jam here and there might not be a bad idea)

or even if the gun could jam... they might be able to script the gun jam to be random during playing a mission up to a certain point in the level (just to make sure that if it jams it wont be on a super hard part of the level etc)

and since there generally going for the more realistic side of things... they could even make the gun jams only jam on certain weapons that where maybe less reliable in real life.

or say you got a revolver.... they could even have it miss fire from time to time but since it's a revolver it cant never jam.

just some thoughts as im throwing some minor ideas out there (not sure if it would work or not in the game but it 'might' if done properly)


and also he said...

"-Don't cheap out on the ending like some other games"

did you even play the first game? (if you did you most likely would not be saying that, no offense ) ... in clearer terms, the ending on Mafia was great as it left you with a great feeling, as it's a feeling i generally can only get from quality movies because i cant really think of a single game out there that has that 'impact' like Mafia did.

as far as the 'dating girls' request.... i think stuff of that sort will probably be within the story but as far as actual in game mission stuff (like going on dates etc (ala GTA series)) is pretty much pointless and would detract from the flow of the story and progression through the game etc.


but basically... i disagree with just about everything else the OP wanted to be in the game.... because stuff like haircut changing etc would be unnecessary/not needed in a game like Mafia.... because even though it would give the player more freedom as far as the game it's just NOT Mafia like at all. (and the good thing is... i think the devs have a mindset like us hardcore Mafia 1 fans do... which means no BS will be in the game that dont fit the 'mafia world' )

all in all whatever happens... Mafia II could be almost exactly like Mafia 1 but with better graphics and a different story and ill praise it (everything additional will be a bonus as far as im concerned )

[Fugue]

please no dating, that whole friends/dating thing in GTA4 was about as much fun as a trip to the dentist.

[Nascarbuc]

Why do fanboys always have to make boneheaded statements about other games. You guys should quit your "mafia good gta bad" because it really only plays to the 50 people who visit a game's message board every day. And I don't think 2K wants to make a game for just these 50 people.

All the fallout fans went nuts over Bethesda's version being too Oblivion-like. Yet it sold 5 million copies in its first week or so. Because far more people loved Oblivion than the original fallout games but you wouldn't know that from the message board noise. And guess what: far more people love GTA than the original mafia. 22 million people liked San Andreas enough to buy it. So far, how many bought IV ? Close to 15 million. How many bought the original mafia ? Exactly.

Mafia games are third-person free-roaming action games set in realistic environments. Turns out there's a standard-bearer for this genre and you can ***** and moan all you want but Mafia 2 will be compared to GTA IV in just about every regard. It's not a personal opinion, I'm merely stating a fact here. I'm not looking to trash the game, I'm a huge fan of the original, played through it several times and have fairly optimistic expectations about the second.

Now, features like facial hair are trivial at this point. Personally I couldn't care less but that's not the point: apparently there won't be dynamic weather, day/night cycle, or even a freeride mode. It's been 7 years since the original mafia so you'd think these would be a given but no. This is frustrating.

[MetalliTooL]

apparently there won't be dynamic weather, day/night cycle, or even a freeride mode. It's been 7 years since the original mafia so you'd think these would be a given but no. This is frustrating.

What does it matter how long it's been since the first Mafia? It's not like the developers don't know hot to implement those features. They just don't want to.

[james_beckerson]

Going back to the subject of this topic - I have only one request - have the full decade of 1950's enclosed in this game. Looking from the screens, the early years of the decade are already modeled marvelously with all the detail to architecture, cars, fashions and rest of the environment, I'd love to see how 2K's talent to re-create these things will work with all the late, fully blown forms of the trends that were building the 1950's.

[Fugue]

apparently there won't be dynamic weather, day/night cycle, or even a freeride mode. It's been 7 years since the original mafia so you'd think these would be a given but no. This is frustrating.

why? there's a perfectly good reason for not having that system, the game is set over 10 years, it allows the devs to pick things like time of day, seasons, weather etc which means you'll get variety, plus a particular atmosphere that fits the story.

GTA4 was great fun but the two games set out to do two completely different things, GTA4's world is big playground, it works very well, Mafia 2 (and Mafia 1 for that matter) are about a movie-like linear story that plays out in the world, adding a long list of "features" that only distract you from the story will add nothing to the game or the experience.

imho.

[ThaCrip]

Why do fanboys always have to make boneheaded statements about other games. You guys should quit your "mafia good gta bad" because it really only plays to the 50 people who visit a game's message board every day. And I don't think 2K wants to make a game for just these 50 people.

All the fallout fans went nuts over Bethesda's version being too Oblivion-like. Yet it sold 5 million copies in its first week or so. Because far more people loved Oblivion than the original fallout games but you wouldn't know that from the message board noise. And guess what: far more people love GTA than the original mafia. 22 million people liked San Andreas enough to buy it. So far, how many bought IV ? Close to 15 million. How many bought the original mafia ? Exactly.

Mafia games are third-person free-roaming action games set in realistic environments. Turns out there's a standard-bearer for this genre and you can ***** and moan all you want but Mafia 2 will be compared to GTA IV in just about every regard. It's not a personal opinion, I'm merely stating a fact here. I'm not looking to trash the game, I'm a huge fan of the original, played through it several times and have fairly optimistic expectations about the second.

Now, features like facial hair are trivial at this point. Personally I couldn't care less but that's not the point: apparently there won't be dynamic weather, day/night cycle, or even a freeride mode. It's been 7 years since the original mafia so you'd think these would be a given but no. This is frustrating.

first off ill start by saying i dont really consider myself a 'fanboy' (even though some might say i am) ... i just am passionate about Mafia is all, as it's one of my all time best video game experiences. (so obviously im going to 'over praise' it in your eyes and then ill say other stuff 'just aint as good')

im not saying GTA4 is a bad game... in fact (well in my opinion ) it's quite good (well above average, just not masterpiece level is all) but it's just not nearly as good as Mafia is in my opinion when is all said and done, especially in the story dept (i dont think no one can doubt the story part when comparing Mafia to GTA series in general as Mafia's rivals quality mob films where as GTA pretty much dont... so i guess what im saying is, Mafia gives you a 'movie like experience' which GTA pretty much lacks.)

sure, sales wise im sure GTA wiped the floor with Mafia but then again Mafia aint the type of game that would appeal to the average gamer either AND it did not get much advertisement to my knowledge unlike GTA which got alot which im sure effected it's (Mafia) sales in a negative way. (i guess in a way Mafia has a cult following and i dont see anyone who still is passionate about a GTA game (or dang near any other game for that matter) that's 7-ish years old now do you? )

but you can look at movies to... sure some movies sell alot in terms of ticket sales but there just not nearly as good as other films that did not have a huge success in the theaters but did decent and are considered great by many people.... take 'Goodfellas' for example... that only did around 46million in theaters (according to boxofficemojo) which is not bad but nothing huge but it's considered by ALOT of people (average rating = 8.8/10 189,986 votes on IMDB currently) to be one of the best films out there unlike your typical big budget explosions everywhere type action film (take 'Transformers' for example. for the record i liked it but it's not nearly as good as Goodfellas etc) that pretty much only appeals ALOT to the young (teens and maybe early 20's) crowd. (for the record... im 29 years old, ill be 30 later this year... i would have been around 23 years old the first time i played Mafia (on PC) back around late 2002-ish)

i also think some of liking Mafia over GTA has to do with what films you like (assuming you watch movies ) ... because if your a big fan of mob movies in general (like i am) then Mafia will probably be a much better EXPERIENCE.

and i would not be surprised if some of the reason Mafia was not as popular as GTA in terms of gameplay is that it's driving had slow cars and your typical teenage gamer probably dont have the patience for it as they will probably complain saying "it's to slow" etc ... plus it seems the people who like GTA series like to randomly cause chaos, like run around and blow stuff up and you cant really do that in Mafia.... i guess what im saying is, those who want something more than just a quick 'pick me up and play' action game will probably like Mafia more.

sure ill admit the original Mafia game is getting a little dated in the graphics dept but it's still going strong in other areas (like Story/Characters/General Gameplay etc) , which still makes it a solid game even to this day ...and being honest, i would still rather play Mafia 1 (2002) (on PC) over the vast majority of new games out today, especially in the long run... because to me, i think Mafia has stood the test of time quite well unlike most other games that are as old-ish as Mafia (or older) because since the dawn of the 3D gaming era (i.e. 1995-1996-ish ... basically PC's first got good 3D graphics cards (i.e. 3DFX Voodoo 4MB , yes im getting old. lol) back in 1996 or so) i think Mafia is pretty much the only (or pretty close to it) game prior to 2004-2005ish that's still fun to this day.

you said, "You guys should quit your "mafia good gta bad" because it really only plays to the 50 people who visit a game's message board every day. And I don't think 2K wants to make a game for just these 50 people."

well it appears the devs have pretty much the same mindset as us hardcore fans do (so take that for whatever it's worth)

just some thoughts (and no offense to fans of GTA series by my comments or anyone else)

[jdowny]

Why do fanboys always have to make boneheaded statements about other games. You guys should quit your "mafia good gta bad" because it really only plays to the 50 people who visit a game's message board every day. And I don't think 2K wants to make a game for just these 50 people.

I'm not sure anyone said that GTA was bad per se. It's simply that those games, in particular San Andreas, which is what he seemed to be referring to, had a completely different style of play, a style that simply wouldn't wash with Mafia. If you make it too free, some of the cinematic style and atmosphere is sacrificed. It's not a case of whether GTA games are good or not, as I for one think that IV is one of the best games I've played, but the style of the games and how they play.

[vytaslll]

Hey everyone!

I don't know what about others, but for me the very important feature is "thing disappearing". I am talking about bodies, cars and other stuff that in other games just disappears in 5 seconds
Mafia1 was the only game I played which had cartridges which fell on the ground and not disappeared instantly. I loved that feature, it gave the game a lot of realism. So please, don't remove this feature from 2nd Mafia, and make it even better! And don't make bullet holes disappearing too, it should stay there, and if you come back other day you can still find them (I don't think it's very dificuilt to do). Ofcourse, i.e. in a week it can disappear in case that wall was repainted
The same story for cars and bodies. i.e. If you kill someone in the street, the paramedics should arive and try to save that person life, but if he\she is dead than they should take him to the morgue (in a bag). And maybe even cover that crime scene with a "do not cross" line.
Those little features should make the game very realistic


P.S. Sorry for my english, i am from Lithuania

[Henry Tomasino]

this is not good idea imo. vito should have one look. leave character customization to gf2. imagine bald vito with beard like some biker. this would destroy seriousness of m2.

[zakka1da]

nawww, really don't want another GTA... only deep storyline and atmosphere like in Mafia 1.

[Anacardo]

While the ideas might be good for an MMO, I honeslty agree with the majority in here. It's simply not the game we're waiting for. We already have several games that does similar things to those described. I don't think we'll need another. And anyway I don't feel a "feature request" topic is very useful. At least not features of this kind. We might ask to tweak an aspect of the game, maybe change some small things here and there, but you're talking about major things, that would change the title radically. Sorry man, for me it's a no-go.

[Lucky_Lu]

I also have to agree with the majority, leave all the customization to the GTA, Saints Row series..The only customization i want to see, would be done on the cars only, aftermarket paint job, engine swap maybe..

[piaw]

I agree with Lucky Lu. Buy your cars and customize them would be fun, but I can't see how I WANNA EAT AT MCDONALDS AND BECOME FAT belongs in Mafia really.

[Habbuba]

I agree with Lucky Lu. Buy your cars and customize them would be fun, but I can't see how I WANNA EAT AT MCDONALDS AND BECOME FAT belongs in Mafia really.

if you didnt know yet they wanna make it realistic...lol so why not..
and im sure it wont destroy the game they know what they are doing..

[Alex1911]

My requests

- Add the Delorean DMC 12 as an easter egg car (the one from 1955 )
- Use a civilized copy protection
- no more stupid and impossible exploding Celeste missions

[Dbeat]

My requests


- no more stupid and impossible exploding Celeste missions

why not ???

[ME!]

well I really whant deepth (details) in the game

like f ex. when Vito opens the door then it happens like in real life. well what i mean is that ii want thees kind of details wich haz to do with the missons likeopening doors and so on. all morethen this is not needed

some guys are saying realistic (real life) but i really dont whan to go and brush my teeths and wash my hands afte a lunch

ME!

[Habbuba]

i really dont whan to go and brush my teeths and wash my hands afte a lunch

rofl n1 but stop thinking stupid things like that ...i mean thats just stupid
btw why do you sign your posts we can see your name ect
but when we say realistic i dont think we are thinking like we gonna piss next 4 hours ect...
i mean .. comon thats only in The Ship you need to do that ..

[jmcorp]

Horrific suggestions, too much GTA less originality and uniqeness.

Do NOT want.

also you mentioned police checking the trunk of a vehicle...how about you get the facts straight, considering that is already a confirmed feature in the game, i.e a cop pulls you over for speeding, then might decide to check the trunk.

[Mark Meltzer]

Wow no need to get so mean, I was just making some suggestions. Sheesh it seems even if I mention something GTA related you guys attack me like bull dogs...

Man, now I ever regret doing a thread like this....:-(

[Habbuba]

Wow no need to get so mean, I was just making some suggestions. Sheesh it seems even if I mention something GTA related you guys attack me like bull dogs...

Man, now I ever regret doing a thread like this....:-(

well welcome 2 the forum mostly here ppl compair everything with gta

[Mark Meltzer]

Why because there afraid that Mafia might actually be a more realistic GTA? No matter what the developers do this game will always be compared to GTA 4

[Fugue]

Why because there afraid that Mafia might actually be a more realistic GTA? No matter what the developers do this game will always be compared to GTA 4

only on a basic level, 3rd person, cars play an important part, set in a city, Mafia is actually unique in having a linear movie like experience and not focusing on being a vast playground.

comparisons are fine, as long as who ever compares admits Mafia 1 & 2 are/will be better

[K-Game]

One feature I would really like is to give more emphasis on the cars in the game. Instead of grabbing any car in the street, the game should have you focus on one car, which you would own. You could keep this in your own garage and custimize it yourself fully. This could include things like keeping guns in the glove compartent or in the trunk. It would also be nice to see them get dirty after a while and you can wash them at a car wash or something.

[zakka1da]

What the f*ck? GTA? You can't compare it. Mafia is about mob wars - mafians - main character is mobster NOT a some smoked out ☺☺☺☺☺ or East europian emigrant . GTA is for people who want only to kill and have a fun of it but Mafia is about deep story, breathcatching atmosphere, feeling the game... GTA is good when I'm angry and want to make me calmer, when I play Mafia I live their story... So stoptalking about GTA...

[Fugue]

One feature I would really like is to give more emphasis on the cars in the game. Instead of grabbing any car in the street, the game should have you focus on one car, which you would own. You could keep this in your own garage and custimize it yourself fully. This could include things like keeping guns in the glove compartent or in the trunk. It would also be nice to see them get dirty after a while and you can wash them at a car wash or something.

previews have said you can do all that, but focusing on one car should be the players choice, not the game game forcing you to.

[Mark Meltzer]

A better question I have is, how is this game supposed to be a linear experience?? Yet you have the options of eating, drinking, goin' to the gym, washing your car, fixing your car, pimping your car, and buying new clothes?