I trade nav for monarchy if I have Madrid on whale and dye.Originally Posted by danthechan
I trade nav for monarchy if I have Madrid on whale and dye.
I wouldn't as they get the same sea bonus as Spain in medieval and could hammer/rush an ancient galleon fleet. Expand with your whale and you'll easily backfill monarchy at 120 beakers.
I wouldn't. Nav is way better than monarchy. How do you know he doesn't have the same spot as you and get the same city advantage + the advantage of galleon...
Well usually I have seen most the map when I make the trade.
Most of the maps??? By the time I know most of the maps, I usually have monarchy or don't need it.
AND the discussion seemed to be about the start of the game...
The only time this would make sense is if you got a GS from SOC for super early knights. Otherwise forget about monarchy and get building some legions!!
Im talking about before 0 A.D. I usually make the trade if I have seen most the map and have the best spots picked out, I only make trade if I feel it is benefiting me more lets just say that.
my english vs tourqe dd's america plus a spanish player and a egyptian player, america finds the greta wall plus 7cog before 3200, i thought about giving up as my start wasnt great but i had waited a while for a game so made a super comeback with a GL cat and legion attack that took a long time, the spanish guy didnt have much 2 do with the game and the egyptian guy left after america found 7cog so i took colossus thebes with a 1 tile science spot(whoopee) and expanded to 40bpt, he used his early money on libraries in his 2 cities and got 2 medival quickly, things looked good as i noticed his expansion wasnt awesome 4 america but he did have militias evry where and was close 2 12 cities maybe more and 18techs when i finally broke engineering and religion plus sams castle(he had pike armies evrywhere, i managed a double galley move 2 by pass any cruisers(i had 11techs) and smashed thru the first cities army and single pike defence then the ice age hits and the guy declares me a cheat and 2 enjoy the freeze... how many times meh. the nice side of the story is it felt good 2 ask how in the hell he could mess a start like that up, he claims i was sharing techs with spain(yea thats why i send a galley over 2 drop my soldiers off) im not 2 angry as itz only FFA but id just thought id give you all a headsup.
sounds like a world class loser. i am pretty sure i have this guy muted already.
I played that guy in a ffa game last night. He was Usa and showed he really did not understand the game too well.
I already posted this game like 5 months ago, except it was my English against his Zulu... Sorry you didn't see it before you played him. He didn't say I cheated he said I was very lucky, (which I was that game) and to enjoy the freeze. LMFAO apparently he didn't realize who he was dealing with, this was my longest wait out, like 3 1/2 days I think. He tried to come back a total of 3 times. Finally after the 3rd time he left. Some people man...
Torque is something else... what a loser man.
Nice comeback though btw wish you had time to wait that loser out as I hate giving cheaters anything they want. Especially the win.
wow itz after 3 n a half day wait is impressive! i waited 3 hourz tho....but then the kidz woke me up and i needed another game.. longest i waited when i used 2 rank run was 24hrz against thedragon720 and probly flash,
I owe that 1 to my hard head
couple fun ones yesterday. in the 1st i was england vs. spain, greece, mongols, and i'm not sure of the ai. basically i'm starting kind of slow and spain is kicking our butts. i get a gs for feud and put together a few KA's. i am engaging greece and mongolia, with plans to suprise spain with a drop-off. the i get a message from DA that he is ready for the tourney. i quit and about 45 minutes later the spanish player messages me that my KA's terrorized all of them, taking out the other 2 humans completely. i lmao at that.
in the last game of the night i had a spanish island start against india, egypt w/hgb, french ai, and china (ai early). i take a bad beat early, losing a vet WA and kt (w naval support) against single french archers. i came back in about 8 turns with 2 vet LA's but they got an AA the very turn i could attack. i set about expanding my empire to the islands but the egyptian is doing better. he gets atlantis and has a 24-15 tech advantage. i have a loaded galleon out with CA's, LA's, and an AA. i stumble upon his cruiser and flee into the fog. next turn he goes to anarchy but i dump them off and sell the galleon. i'm about to give up when i see i've landed a few turns from yellow border. as i'm sneaking up on him the indians, out of the blue, offer me fundy for my democracy. why not i say, and i suprise him and win a 22.5-22.5 over his PA. i get march and and i clean up all his units and take his huge thebes. even though he is still far ahead he quits, and the indian surrenders a few turns later.
lolz. That is hilarious.
Last night me and Mawpawk had an epic tooth and nail game that I'm sure he would be happy to post because I sure as hell am not lmfao
Finally had a good game with the Russians (man, they are difficult). I was playing against two Japanese. I found a nice spot with three trees, fish, and cattle.
Spotted the Zulu and estimated they were three tiles away so I figured I was safe. It was 3500 so I sent my warrior towards a barb. Zulu popped out and walked next to my open cap. I remembered someone say that Zulu walkins might be kind of an AI accident given that they move twice and may not know what is two tiles away when they "put in their moving orders." So I thought I'd test it out. Rather than cover my cap, I moved my warrior towards the barb. Sure enough, the Zulu did not take my cap, moving toward another barb. I finished my second warrior and blocked the Zulu's access to his cap and eventually got the walkin.
Got a HA together and took Kyoto while he was out attacking the other Japanese player—eventually took his 100g city too. Hit CoL and Moscow started cranking out settlers. The other Japan started mad tech so I thought I'd try to hit him with cats. Got a couple of CAs together, hit Nav, and then found AoC (with about 10 cities) and SoC—never seen so many GAs. Thought I might need one to capture a knight army but my vet CAs kept taking them out. Loyalty archers are pretty nice to take on the offensive too. Gobbled up four or five cities at the peak of his expansion and he finally quit.
had a game that was going to be a who's yosur daddy competition until liam dropped out at the start. me vs pointonestar vs mawpawk.
I started out and found quite a bit of gold. pointonestar stumbled two carabvans into my oncoming horsies and i got to 500g for my 2nd gp I then expanded out and found mawpawks weakly defended cities up north with a march horse army and overran them.
A sneeky strategy of taking the city then jumping straight back out saved me from a ha/city flip (i was playing well today) and pointonestar called it as i landed units to hastle his cities and continued to tear ahead.
1st rule of ahem whos ya daddy is we dont talk about it.
2nd rule follow the first
Shhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
I played an FFA last night as the Arabs. China, Egypt and England. Unknown AI.
I strted on a big island, but only 1 barb (thankfully 50g's). Put a warrior army on a galley, found the english and egyptians. I took thebes beating a warrior then warrior army and got HBR. Planted my galley on London Dye spot.
Built a horse army in thebes and found the Chinese attacking Tenochtitlan with the KT, I tried to get around but he must have had march and took out my HA. Militia sees he has quite a few cities already, so I built another HA only to lose it 9-6 against AA in his 100g city.
I started to expand planting a few cities with fish. Barracks in Tripoli and building Cats. Chinese now mass expanding in republic and has quite a tech lead, but I get the free galleon in tripoli, put together two vet CA's. This moves to the south of his empire. From thebes I also manage a non vet CA on a galleon, this goes to his north, unload both same turn North and South, he quit. England quit earlier.
Played a clash of the semi power civs FFA match last night. only 1 player I can remember in the match was thatsruf. I was aztec, he was spain, and the other 2 were also aztec and spain. The aztec player was smart enough to settler walk but not smart enough to settle with any sea squares or defense in his cap and i get a walk in with a single warrrior while 3 warriors are running around just outside his cap. Soon after I meet up with AI who was germany with my spy and it gets taken. barb villages are not giving money they are giving tech and spys pretty much worst case senario for barb rewards. I eventually hammer out a HA and take german cap and notice ruf's spain is teching like mad. he is at 6 tech already. my next barb gives me a galley and i load my blitz HA on it and head towards the other side of the map. I create another vet HA and send them both towards ruf's city. it turns out he settled on double whale and 2 trees and 4 sea squares, he has an AA and walls and a legion outside his cap so i put my 2 HA back on the galley and go looking for his 100g city. I notice he takes the other spainish capital when I catch the outline of his 100g city. the other spanish started on a large island and had been expanding as well but not defending i guess. i start attacking and manage to get the attack in before he armies up and take out 3 single archers the next turn ruff manages to galleon drop all his units from his cap into his 100g city including a vet AA and a few legions. I manage to win the 9-10 Vet HA vs vet AA with galleon support and get an upgrade to march and get to attack 3 more times taking the city while the other spanish retake their cap with the kt and ruff quits. I manage to with the button battle taking out the other spanish kt and start attacking his 100g city and he quits. I am now 2 points out of 2nd in FFA. NICE
Courtesy of Sid Meier lol
Are you seriously still calling that game luck. You had the money to defend yourself but decided to take a friendly village with your warrior instead of taking out my double injured warrior leaving your cap wide open to a button battle for your cap which i won. That was your poor decision making, not luck. And what have you done with the free points handed to you in the next game? You have squandered themCourtesy of Sid Meier lol
Considering I was in diplomacy and you could still move don't see why I should've done anything differently. Sid Meier took my controller and threw it right out the window. I have had really bad luck in the past 2 days though ughh... So yes I have lost a lot of points mainly because if I win I get like 4 points and if I lose I lose like 15...
I would call it crappy programing not luck. A button race would imply that I was actually able to push a button, but I wasn't so don't see how it was a button race...
That's the very definition of a button race. Whoever pressed the button first wins.
No it is not dude I wasn't able to push the button because I was waiting for his response for 10 seconds while he was able to walk in. How is that a button race when I can't do anything we weren't at war either. Are you confused or can't understand what I'm saying?
The problem is that you let it come to the button race. You apparently could have chosen differently. You made a conscious decision to let it come to a button race, which is a risky move (gambling). I am pretty sure you knew that there are many factors involved in the button race: 1. How fast can you move the cursor and press A; 2. Is my connection good enough? 3. Is an AI going to contact me out of the blue? 4. Did I already make contact with my opponent? If no, the situation you described can happen. 5. Is my science screen going to pop up? or another popup? 6. Who is the host? ...
This is not about whether you can technically call that a button race or not because you could not even push a button. It is about you intentionally letting it come to that instead of playing it safe. It is a coin-flip or worse. So do not complain about it as long as you had other options at your disposal.
Yes, this game is full of bad programming and glitches and bugs. But did you know that beforehand? Yes! Did you adjust your game based on that knowledge? NO!
Shouldn't of had to and that was the first time I ever experienced that though so I didn't even know that could happen. It is impossible to lose a button race if you are not at war at 3700 and you are defending so I wasn't remotely worried. I think there may be some way to pull up diplomacy that I don't know about...
Diplomacy is a tricky thing. It sometimes just pops up and neither player actively requested it. Many times in the most inopportune moments :-/ I often have these diplo lags where my opponent can already go about his business while I am still stuck for another 10 secs until I get the "he is currently busy" screen. Very annoying and yes, unfair if it happens in a crucial moment. But this won't be changed so we have to live with it.
The other day I lost a button race because the barb village pulled me halfway across the map at the beginning of the turn. Very frustrating and the reason why I lost the only crucial button race. But crap like that happens unfortunately. I was really mad at that, but in the end you have to accept these quirks.
That happens quite a bit, this has never happened to me so I was very angry and thought he was cheating somehow since I couldn't do anything while he could move.
Number 4 is exactly what happened. I think diplomacy was thrown off by his settlers meeting my warrior and he moved back one tile and settled so i didnt move to meet his borders they were created next to me and didnt give diplomacy screen until beginning of next turn when i was already next to his cap
Edit: I quoted packrat because of what he was refering too but this is directed at whiny babies not him......
So get the hell over it..... jesus....sorry for the language......but man lets blame another freaking game on luck......hey Im 221-19 in ranked h2h...guess what every one of my 19 losses is due to a freeze or an xbl disconnect.....ive never lost fair and square......kiss my butt dude getting colossus and 7CoG was skill. Im not lucky if I wasnt so good I wouldnt have beat you with 7CoG because you have to get lucky to beat me. Im just saying.....when I lose a 1-1.5 its BS because I should always win a 50-50 or even a 33-66 but when I win a 1-1.5 its totally skill dude because I had the forsight to take the risk.....damn....you are zulu....thats the only reason you beat me because you suck....what....I beat you with the mongols....it had nothing to do with me walking in on egypt with CoR because Im that good.....I lost with the mongols to your america...whatever you are just lucky....thats all Im sayin
ok rant over.....but did I just not sound stupid as crap.....theres luck in this game guys but its not the deciding factor in the long run.........it can definitely come into play.....but to blame every freakin loss you get on luck....psssshaawwwww...you are freakin craz and Im tired of hearing it.....no respect for you if you cant lose with some pride.....using the luck game or getting pissy is cool every once in a while but every game.....you sound like the boy who cried wolf.....I dont beleive you anymore I think its just your excuse for losing now......
Your right! It was all skill when I stomped on your Japs when you got 7cog at 3300Every win I get against forum members is because I got lucky, except on the rare occasions that I out played someone like when I out played you with 7cog. This changes nothing and luck will always be the biggest factor of this game no matter who wins or doesn't if everyone is equally skilled, which I have no problem admitting unlike some people...
Hahaha...thats hilarious man....if that was true the same people wouldnt win all the brackets every year....Your right! It was all skill when I stomped on your Japs when you got 7cog at 3300
Hmmph.. I played another FFA yesterday. Aztecs to my north and Egyptians to the south, I had wandered south and was fighting the Egyptians, when I had to sell units to defend from the Aztecs, ended up with Vet Aztec Warrior army in my north trees and Egyptian warrior army in my south trees. Truly gang-banged!
In a freeze with mo magnifico. I played Chinese since I hadn't in a while. Mo was Chinese, then a Spanish and American player. I got HBR from barb so I decided to Horse rush. I take a barb that shows me AW. I have a march WA as well. Get AW and switch to fundy. I get a great general for my WA and my HA takes his city, his cap is only 2 turns away. Anyway he paused the game when I took it so currently waiting out the freeze...
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