Some thoughts on my MP free for all day..

[REM018]

I started playing more FFA recently since it is taking longer in H2H to find opponents ... I am amazed again and again by what people are thinking? Quitting first turn - settling in horrible spots - quitting because I kill a single catapult, etc. The amount of noobs in FFA is shocking :-) In 50% of the games it turns into H2H without anybody really doing anything. Often because of Spanish whale hunters quitting after not finding anything or USA quitting because they did not get a GP they deemed worth settling ;-D

That being said, I do have the occasional FFA where either one player is decent or I get such a crappy start that it is a challenge. But in general, the level of play in random ranked is quite low.

A nice change of pace was a ranked FFA a few days ago where preyforme, Multi and king SOB (mediocre China player, but 2000+ games) joined the lobby. That was one of those good but rare setups.

[ITZ DENI3D]

I started playing more FFA recently since it is taking longer in H2H to find opponents ... I am amazed again and again by what people are thinking? Quitting first turn - settling in horrible spots - quitting because I kill a single catapult, etc. The amount of noobs in FFA is shocking :-) In 50% of the games it turns into H2H without anybody really doing anything. Often because of Spanish whale hunters quitting after not finding anything or USA quitting because they did not get a GP they deemed worth settling ;-D

That being said, I do have the occasional FFA where either one player is decent or I get such a crappy start that it is a challenge. But in general, the level of play in random ranked is quite low.

A nice change of pace was a ranked FFA a few days ago where preyforme, Multi and king SOB (mediocre China player, but 2000+ games) joined the lobby. That was one of those good but rare setups.

FFA is more fun with good players...

[Flash Bang Over]

Sigh, another 3 wins with no points. Poor opponents though, so its maybe fair to get none. One USA player did galley drop one of my cities for nag and was at 5 tech, should have destroyed me, but I find and take Washington at 6 pop with a settled GH and a library for his 2 trade tiles. Says it all.

The next one II senna II Zulu manages to swap a tech with spanish player for nag, seriously. He gb's east india but I take his cap and he sends offensive messages. Some people get really worked up. Wouldn't be so bad if they were actually any good and had something to get worked up about. Id love to be a spectator in a game with 4 of these typically bad players, they must just run out of time.

[Jackoneill]

[QUOTE=Flash Bang Over;1593938]Sigh, another 3 wins with no points. QUOTE]

Sounds like the connection cheat in FFA. Send me a PM, and I will try and tell you how to get the win and the points. It sucks, when I used to play FFA 2 years ago this cheat was used quite a bit against me, and bumbumalot told me about it. I found out how to get the win and the points.

[Flash Bang Over]

Well, after getting a whole 2 points for my last 7 or 8 wins I lost 2 (only 13 points I think, so not too bad) for the first time in a while.

Started on a long strip of land. Got to the end of it and Aztec opponent takes the barb and blocks me. Didn't even name a tile while he got 7c. I attacked to try and get out but lost against odds. Not one for quitting, but I gave that up.

The other was one of those strange ones.

[ScottieX]

Flash,
you might not want to highlight that...

[Flash Bang Over]

I've deleted the only part I think you can be referring to (but im not sure?). You think that might be something deliberate?

[ScottieX]

I've deleted the only part I think you can be referring to (but im not sure?). You think that might be something deliberate?

Yeah its possible.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Wow so I havent posted in this thread forever, I never play FFA much anymore, well I dusted off the old skills last night in an FFA ranked match, one of my opponents was our new forum member GACY....good to see you playing gacy hit me up if you want any pointers

Me: Mongols vs Arab(Gacy) vs Azec vs Aztec vs Ameerica(AI).

So I start horribly. I only find 2 barbs and dont take a single cap. The aztec player close to me gets AoW which I was going for and the knight wonder(which I kill off a hill with a WA. Luckily he leaves me alone after this. So Im woring apples in 1 barb city and working 6 gold on 36 to get my 100g since Im blocked on a peninsula by this aztec guy and only found 2 babrs. So I hit 2 pop in my 2nd barb city and work gold till 100. Luckily ole Gacy is attacking some aztecs which bought me a bit of time. This didnt last too long though. So I get my 100g city and I bee-line for CoL and pump out about 3 more settlers so I have about 6 cities on my peninsula and also one is double die. I notice at 12 tecs the aztec doesnt have monarchy so I go for it(only at 6 tecs myself) Luckily I beat him to it and get the GS(he went for two nonimportant tecs apparently). I got a GS and used it on Invention because all others bonii were gone(hes at 19 tecs now or so). He aztec actually GS's invention later without looking. So I go straight for nav and pop out 5 more cities as I do. I hit nav as my 12th tec and send out my 5 settlers to whale/dye. I will be inudstrial era when its time to settle them.

Anyways, long story short the Aztec is at about 24 tecs now, Gacy is still hanging around and the 2nd aztec quit. So I build EITC and then switch to demo. I notice the doofus is at 24 tecs without getting corp or indy. I backfill into industrial in one turn and work into Modern the next going from 12-25 tecs in two turns. I GS Indy and work Corp for both the bonuses. I push out a settler and settler it between 3 mountains(mongol bonus plus wall so i cant be flipped plus iron mine plus factory=52 prod a turn with only 3 mountains and no forrest.)

So I decide its time to just go for the econ victory since hes aztec with MI. He ended up using Oxford to kill my EITC about 5 turns after I got it so hes not totally crappy. Even still I am maing 1000g a turn. So I have about 20 cities, I hammered LW in 4 turns(so multiple single vet/nonvet rifles in all my cities) and Sam castle in turns3 and then started banking prod for the econ win. So Im 4 turns from getting my 20,000 g and he dropps off Aztec cruiser fleet 2 bomber wings 1 battleship fleet 2 tank armies 1 blitz and a bunch of modern infantry and rifleman. So Im screwed right? Not exaclty. I turned 500 banked production into MI and 200 in a second city for even more. Spaced them all out between my cap and prod city as single defenders. Longstory short he could never take those cities because he couldnt overrun them and go frustrated so he left them and went for the rest of my civ. Heres the rub though, I had just hit my 20,000 mark for gold. So he starts taking my cities right and taking my gold too. He takes the 18th of my cities and I only have like 5000 gold left. Long story short he has all my cities and an unstoppable force.....but what do I have?? A 52 prodcution citiy and my capital, 8/8 gold, oh...and an economic victory.....nice game.....glad gacy was there too see it

[ITZ DENI3D]

BS fleet with TA's in fundy should be able to overrun single MI. Did you have a BS fleet as well? Or did you have enough time to make them half fortified?

[GrizzleyTigers4]

they were always atleast half fortified because there were already a bunch of units in the cities..... and there was a wall in one of the cities....all the singles from the 500 saved production were vet as well

[ITZ DENI3D]

they were always atleast half fortified and there was a wall in one of the cities....all the singles from the 500 saved production were vet as well

How many rifleman and MI armies did he drop off? You would've needed a ton of freaking MI units just to stage off an attack for 1 turn let alone more. 700 production is only around 23 mi, he should've easily been able to take them out with single mi with BS fleet support let alone bomber wings and TA's. Or did he drop them off at separate cities? If he did that it makes sense other wise I don't see how he could've failed right there.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

How many rifleman and MI armies did he drop off? You would've needed a ton of freaking MI units just to stage off an attack for 1 turn let alone more. 700 production is only around 23 mi, he should've easily been able to take them out with single mi with BS fleet support let alone bomber wings and TA's. Or did he drop them off at separate cities? If he did that it makes sense other wise I don't see how he could've failed right there.

He tried to attac multiple cities and they didnt all get there at the same time and like i said i had an ass of fortified rifleman in my city from LW.....he shoulda woulda coulda, its obvious he wasnt the best or i wouldnt have had a chance....besides...nothin was easy about it for him.....I had just as many cities as he had attacing units attached together with roads so I could funnel as many defensive units as I wanted to the cities he was attacing....once i had my 20,000g i stopped defending everything else and just funneled all units to those two cities while he took the others.....i mean i couldnt stop an aztec force that huge...thats why i did what i did

[danthechan]

had a fun game as spanish, vs teamster's zulu, 2 america's, and china ai. i had just lost to teamster as england when he took all the gold and he must have thought i was a noob. i did nothing early to change his mind on that, as i walked down a narrow strip next to mountains and ran smack into blue america. i backed up and settled the only place i could, next to a barb with no sea tiles. i could have taken dc but he saw my WA and used his ge to get defenses up. zulu took bejjing early, then started harrassing the america's. he missed a jutting peninsula with 2 barbs or i would have been toast. i had to dodge an american WA with my settler, and eventually got a galleon in the sea. for some crazy reason blue dc left the city empty for a few turns, even after getting the pyramid there. i swooped in for a drop and he quit. all this time the zulu is pestering me for nav. he actually is put out that i won't give it to him for writing or alphabet. really? i get out a couple settlers and switch to dem as i see atlantis and don't want him getting it. it gives me a 12-11 tech lead but no bonuses. from here we go to work on our empires, me settling islands and him taking ai cities. he uses a gb on eitc and i beeling to oxford and flight. i use the fighters. to stop his knight/cruiser action after losing 1 city. i have a 2 whale/fish city that is growing huge, and i pop hgb to put it up to 21 pop. i get indust and am going for leo's with tanks when he gs's comb. i forgot about the overrun, and his TA takes out a ton of units in dc, including a gb. he only needs madrid now, and i have only 2 turns befor i'm done. madrid is banking hammers and i get to mod inf just in time to pop out 7 vet infantrymen. he backs off and i then pop leos after getting comb. i had landed some warriors on an island and he figured it out, finally asking for peace. i gave it and teleported them, plus another vet WA camping in his territory. at this point i threw everything into gold. i rushed markets/banks for about 5 turns, then cruised home. i was doing about 2700 g and 90 hammers in madrid with all the mountains around. it was a good win as teamster was very cocky, taunting the american noobs saying "good game, good effort" when they quit. he was very quiet afterwards.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

That's very funny him becoming all quiet after the the Americans left. I wish to see this teamster.... See how his Zulul react to mine.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

That's very funny him becoming all quiet after the the Americans left. I wish to see this teamster.... See how his Zulul react to mine.

Yea you will crush him....sounds like dan got unlucky in the first game......in the second teamster had cruisers knights and dan still came bac and beat him down....nice one dan...i crushed this kid the other day as well

[ITZ DENI3D]

Just won a game I had no business winning, with a tech vic and econ vic lol. I'm Egypt V.S another Egypt, China (Lockecole) and France. I settle at 3800 with 3 desert, one being a barb and 2 trees on a hill and get CoR. It would take to long to explain but in I lost 1.5-1 twice attacking from a hill so I get 1 barb the whole game for 40g because of that. I end up taking out Egypt late and get a broken oracle, its broken since it wasn't working. China gets 7cog at like 2000 I think and camps two of my desert squares with AA's and has them there for half the game. Finally when I get my 100g I build a barracks and build vet legions but I couldn't win 12-12 or 12-18 once because the oracle wouldn't let me attack. I move my 100g settler to a nice spot and the French KT pops up and steals it. Awesome... I finally got vet CA's and it still wouldn't let me attack 24-18. Sometimes it is better to have a broken oracle... Finally China researches monarchy and then religion, which allowed me to clear out the AA's he had camping my squares. I planned on going for him with my 3 CA's but decided to use them for defense and just expand to some nice islands since he had hills right next to his cap he would see me coming. I expand to the islands and tech demo and start going for all the big bonuses while he stays in fundy for a very long time. He finally brings 2 vet KA's and an AA which I kill with my 3 CA's. I get all the big tech bonuses and cruise to an easy win. He should've wiped the floor with me since I only had 2 cities for the majority of the game and an oracle that wouldn't let me attack anything.

[Flash Bang Over]

Denied, how'd you manage so many points on the ffa board in like a week?

I just clawed my way back in to the top 10 with a great win over 'a DSI evolver'.

My spanish, his USA. India and french in the game.

I start on a 10 tile island with no name tiles. Choice between 2 trees or whale no trees. I picked the trees. Who ever thought it would be a fun starting position when all you can do is wait the first ten turns?

Anyway, I get the KT that nets me 3 pop Zimbabwe and bronze. I built a settler from madrid for the whale spot and between name tiles and working gold get my 100 for a double whale spot. Settler from there on a sweet double whale two tree island. USA takes paris and india quits. I tech IW The only time I used beakers the whole game). Another couple of settlers from the 2 double whales go on more whales and I find ark. Barracks in Zimbabwe as I think its safe from flip.

Map is now turning blue- DSI knows how to city and militia spam, beware! Builder gets me the EITC. KT takes both indian cities then moves on to start pestering america, he starts to archer army up, so at least wasting some gold. This was south. North I had 3 legion armies on 1 boat and another in a 3rd galleon. He has covered a large island in cities and militia on every free tile. He has just hit irrigation then switched to democracy. KT takes one city to the south, then same turn I hit the big island, bang, bang, bang, bang, over in a flash- 4 cities protected by militia taken straight from the galleons then flip another. That took me to well over 100 gold a turn. He quit.

[danthechan]

had a nice run of games as india over the past few days. all ended in me falling behind a power civ, then smashing their empire with LA's. 3 vet LA's with a vet AA and single archers can take down just about any city in fundy.
in the last, vs salty slade's spanish, i found a friendly 1st turn. it gave me a spy that morphed into a map of my area on the next turn. at least i knew i was on crap island instead of having to deduce it for myself. one egypt took the other, then he froze and quit right away. slade took 7 cities and the ark. i got my required 3 LA's and archer support, then set sail on a vet galley. right away i see a passing galleon. i dump my troops and cower at the shore, hoping to win the 1.5-3. he must be on a mission, as he passes by. i tenatively load back up and dash for the other shore. i only know where egypt is, but in skirting the coast to get there i encounter madrid. i unload and take it (along with a nice barracks). i then proceed to take 2 more island cities near it in the next few turns. 1 is a sweet rubber/whale. during this time he built eitc at another city somewhere else. i was shocked that he didn't produce a galleon durning my attacks. all he had to do was sink or ground my troops and he could have got back to dominating. instead he meekly quit. he had found my island many turns earlier. all he had to do was bring a couple LA's to me and the game would have been over.

[ITZ DENI3D]

Denied, how'd you manage so many points on the ffa board in like a week?

By whooping Multi's Zulu with my America I was 19th like 3 or 4 days ago...

[sn1p3rk1ll3]

Just had my first game of Civrev in a loooooooooooooong time!

My apologies for forgetting the names of those who I played, but it's 2 am here for me

Anyways, I was Rome and my oponents picked Arabs and India: double fundy threat (oh joy!)
-Moved settlers for 2 turns and settled by a barb which gave a caravan, picked up 20g from tiles, made a second city near my choke and met the Arabs.
Had luck with a barb giving me a galley and showing the 7cog close-by, which saved my from certain death even though I was forced to spend the cash on archers.
Got IW at around 2000BC and waited for the Arab onslaught, but India managed to kill the Arabs (thanks for saving me ).
So now I was with 4 cities on a small, sucky part of the continent whereas India had the rest of the map for himself.
Lucky for me I got 2 boats roaming the map picking up the Arc and settling a nice 4-water, 3 forest (1 oak) and a cattle island... this would soon become my powerhouse.

Long story short: my powerhouse got an early market from currency (8 gold*2), then hammered out a 50-hammer Collossus (8 gold*4), got a GB for the Trade Fair (8 gold*8), popped 250g through that city and rushed a bank (8 gold*16) and THEN got democracy (8 gold*24 = 192g/turn in ONE city).
I rexed to about 13 cities, got a galeon or 4 out with a few pike armies, cat armies and looooooots of legions, but never wanted to leave democracy whilst I was aiming for important techs
In the end I got Oxford bombers which made India quit, but should he have gotten the bombers first, I had a spare GS for flight, and a GA which lingered in my cap from the 300BC's to ensure some mayhem.

A decent game to come back from retirement!



Ps: I'm moving to Scotland in a few weeks time, so might be another retirement in a few weeks!

[japyaknees]

Welcome back sniper... Hope to play you soon!

[mario09]

where to exactly in scotland? I live in Perth ... btw nice to see veterans coming back ...

[JackHall2003]

where to exactly in scotland? I live in Perth ...

Really? I thought you lived in Poland? Am I getting you mixed up with someone else from the chatroom?

Not too far from me then, plus there are 2 guys from Dundee (that don't really post much at all)

[sn1p3rk1ll3]

I'm still looking for a college/university, but I'm not quite sure about the differences between Bachelor and Master here in Belgium, and undergraduates and postgraduates in Scotland

[mario09]

You are right I come from poland but currently I live in Perth since 2004

[ITZ DENI3D]

Nearly beat Kyodai in a lopsided game but in the end after he got all the wonders and a free ai cap due to multi lagging out he was able to defend against my awesome Japanese knights. I was a bit irritated because if Multi wouldn't have lagged out I'm pretty sure I would've won.

[ITZ DENI3D]

Would've beat SRR in last game even though he got to 24 tech with the English. I used the power of Japan and EITC to out tech him and I ultimately would've won that game but he froze in the city screen and refused to leave and I lagged out 30 min later. I had 7 cities to his roughly 15-20 cities but my population in my cities was greater than all of his cities and I had libraries in all of them. Was doing around 400 beakers a turn and 100 something gold a turn when it froze. Would've had battle ships before him and my loyalty modern infantry were more than enough to hold off his knights with cruiser fleets.

[ll SRR ll]

Denied you stood no chance in that game, I had 23 cities, 9 libraries, two of which where double whales, I had two production cities getting atleast 12 hammers per turn, a barracks town with a GG. I was getting 200 science per turn under fundy. Its awful funny I was able to rush a riffleman in Paris and start building another market in another pop up city and then the third pop up city shows up and im able to start to build a market in it and it freezes. I kept saying waiting for Itz Denied, Im not saying you did it on purpose but obviously you attacking me under a city screen froze you up. You seem to think you had that game but you didnt realize how far you where from it. On top of it I had maltiple riffleman in all my cities 6 elite KA and a GB for Leanardos Workshop. You would have lasted much longer in that game.

[ITZ DENI3D]

Denied you stood no chance in that game, I had 23 cities, 9 libraries, two of which where double whales, I had two production cities getting atleast 12 hammers per turn, a barracks town with a GG. I was getting 200 science per turn under fundy. Its awful funny I was able to rush a riffleman in Paris and start building another market in another pop up city and then the third pop up city shows up and im able to start to build a market in it and it freezes. I kept saying waiting for Itz Denied, Im not saying you did it on purpose but obviously you attacking me under a city screen froze you up. You seem to think you had that game but you didnt realize how far you where from it. On top of it I had maltiple riffleman in all my cities 6 elite KA and a GB for Leanardos Workshop. You would have lasted much longer in that game.

LOL no you didn't, that freeze was on you since you were in the city screen. If you were doing so much tech it wouldn't of taken you 5 turns to hit 24 tech while I was able to tech Mass in 3. It said waiting for SRR on my screen so that says nothing and I didn't lose any points which means you disconnected anyways even though you probably got the victory screen. Clearly you have 0 experience with Japan since my 7 cities had more population than your "23" which I know you didn't have. I would've teched battleships easily and I had both money techs, you truly don't realize the full potential of Japan in the late game especially with EITC. Also you said you had just researched rifleman when you froze so which one is the truth? You froze because you had to many pop ups but whatever I know I had you beat so I'm not worried about it. Would've been a fun game, unfortunate it froze but there is no denying it was on your end.

[ll SRR ll]

You stood no chance in that game, and I was at 20 techs when I dropped off my army near Kyoto so it took me 5 turns to get four techs all of which where 300 beaker techs do the math. Getting Ind. and Corp. mean nothing when you only have 5 cities and thats what you had. I saw your whole empire and you didnt see half of what I had. I had two cities that had higher pops than any of your city and atleast 3 more cities in the double digit pop. You dont seem to understand the concept of switching all of you cities to gold to produce an army then switching it back to science when need be. Just because you where getting so much tech doesnt mean anything, even if you where to reach battleships first you where not able to produce them fast enough to matter. I would have had them shortly after you and would have gotten combustion in 3 more turns. In 10 turns I would have had a battleship fleet with 6 elite tank armies at your door step and you wouldnt have been able to do anything.

[ITZ DENI3D]

You stood no chance in that game, and I was at 20 techs when I dropped off my army near Kyoto so it took me 5 turns to get four techs all of which where 300 beaker techs do the math. Getting Ind. and Corp. mean nothing when you only have 5 cities and thats what you had. I saw your whole empire and you didnt see half of what I had. I had two cities that had higher pops than any of your city and atleast 3 more cities in the double digit pop. You dont seem to understand the concept of switching all of you cities to gold to produce an army then switching it back to science when need be. Just because you where getting so much tech doesnt mean anything, even if you where to reach battleships first you where not able to produce them fast enough to matter. I would have had them shortly after you and would have gotten combustion in 3 more turns. In 10 turns I would have had a battleship fleet with 6 elite tank armies at your door step and you wouldnt have been able to do anything.

One word: Delusional.

[ITZ DENI3D]

lol wrong thread...

[ITZ DENI3D]

In a freeze with testtag1967. Apparently he didn't like my double naval support and decided to start the ice age... Waiting for the sun to come out...

[ITZ DENI3D]

Need some advice. Testtag1997 came back and when he froze it it was 1175 and when I came back it was 1600. I attacked him and froze it but I don't know what I should do. Should I try to come back in a few hours and finish him off or should I just wait a day or 2? Any ideas would be helpful.

Edit: Decided to go for it a finished taking caps for dom victory...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Need some advice. Testtag1997 came back and when he froze it it was 1175 and when I came back it was 1600. I attacked him and froze it but I don't know what I should do. Should I try to come back in a few hours and finish him off or should I just wait a day or 2? Any ideas would be helpful.

Edit: Decided to go for it a finished taking caps for dom victory...

The best advice when playing a game after your opponent has set down his controller is to simply go for the economic victory....you were quite lucky here as usually when you take an ai cap or any of your opponents cities the game will freeze....this is generally because the oppnent will have finished whatever tech he was working on when he left then at the begging of every turn his tech options pop up causing the freeze.......he must have left his stuff set to gold......you were lucky.....Never attack when your opponent has left...90% of the time it just locks right back up

[GrizzleyTigers4]

So I had a horrible ffa experience today....I was frozen by someone you have all played before...long story short....he said he was waiting me out because I used a power civ on him.....but heres the rub.....I was the Arabs.....4-5th ranked civ at best.....and get this....he was CHINA......thats right....I was using the arabs and a china player froze me for using a power civ......Ive stayed in the game so far because I refuse to quit to an idiot.....If I didnt have plans for the weekend he might get this one because Id rather play than wait....but its a big weekend for my lil sis so Im heading to NC.....guess he picked the wrong time to act like a retard....

[ScottieX]

Arabs.....4-5th ranked civ at best.....and get this....he was CHINA......thats right....I was using the arabs and a china player froze me for using a power civ....

This argument is surprisingly common... Which is really weird since anyone who has played a lot of games or knows how to freeze the game should also have been taught a lesson or two about usa>china/zulu>arab/spain>aztec>others.

Maybe he just doesnt care if his argument is logical or not?

[GrizzleyTigers4]

This argument is surprisingly common... Which is really weird since anyone who has played a lot of games or knows how to freeze the game should also have been taught a lesson or two about usa>china/zulu>arab/spain>aztec>others.

Maybe he just doesnt care if his argument is logical or not?

He doesnt care....he didnt recognize me but I know him...I know he knows how to use america very well....

he tried to say.
1. Arabs
2. America.
3. china
4. zulu
5 aztec
6 egypt

but he was just playing dumb....if i told you who it was you would agree

[ScottieX]

haha egypt... they account for possibly the two worse civs in the game
egypt with stonehenge and egypt with broken or obsolete oracle.