Rosie, Bouncer, or other?

[MegaScience]

I think you get what this topic is about, but I'll explain it:

Will the prototype Big Daddy resemble? A Rosie, a Bouncer, a Slowpro, or something completely new?

Slowpro is a Big Daddy originally planned for BioShock 1, but removed late in production *Click Here to see Screenshot of it*

And before anyone mentions the picture in GameInformer, it says next it "This is just a placeholder design." AKA until they've modeled out the new Big Daddy, they were using the old Rosie model for the interview.

Edit: The "new" gameplay footage you see is NOT new, it's the same shown to GameInformer, which GameInformer screenshotted for their magazine. As such, it's STILL THE PLACEHOLDER. Anyone still claiming as such should be directed to this topic post.

[Kyburz]

It would be cool if the prototype was the Slowpro. It is kind of primitive looking and would work.

[Under The Sea]

I think you get what this topic is about, but lets guess it:

Will you play as a Rosie, Bouncer, or a special Prototype version?

And before anyone mentions the picture in GameInformer, it says next it "This is just a placeholder design." AKA until they've modeled out the new Big Daddy, they were using the old Rosie model for the interview.

half man, half machine, all attitude!

dununununununununununununununununununununununun BIOSHOCKKKKKKKK II!

[MegaScience]

That Big Daddy they didn't include in BioShock 1 had a name? I need to study up on my BioShock more O.o I'll add it to the list.

Btw, nice response time.

Edit: @ Under The Sea: Big Daddy's all used the same type of Diving suit, you're wouldn't look THAT different from others. Or shouldn't...

[japester]

I second your "duh", sir!
But only because of the wording in the OP's post.

Perhaps it would be better to ask Will the prototype Big Daddy resemble a Rosie, a Bouncer, or something completely new?

I'm going to say it resembles.....(drum roll)....The Big Sister! You are relatively human-sized, lightly spliced, and have strapped-on armor with metal braces.
That's my guess.

(But I'd be totally happy with a modified version of anything--Bouncer, Rosie, SlowPro, etc.)

[FISHY CRACKERS]

I second your "duh", sir!
But only because of the wording in the OP's post.

Perhaps it would be better to ask Will the prototype Big Daddy resemble a Rosie, a Bouncer, or something completely new?

I'm going to say it resembles.....(drum roll)....The Big Sister! You are relatively human-sized, lightly spliced, and have strapped-on armor with metal braces.
That's my guess.

(But I'd be totally happy with a modified version of anything--Bouncer, Rosie, SlowPro, etc.)

I agree, the Bouncer, Rosie, and Slowpro look like if you looked directly into the eyeholes you'd see the incredible hulk inside. I'd like your Big Daddy suit to be less bulky, and so far the Big Sister seems to be the only one with a suit like that.

[Under The Sea]

this one looks good

http://www.tropicalreservations-cr.c...e_monster1.jpg


haha jk

[MegaScience]

In the GameInformer article, it mentions that, as a prototype, you are less bulky, but more agile. Something like that, I don't have the magazine by this computer, but it didn't seem like it meant Big Sister clone. Especially considering specializing a thin bodysuit for the prototype seems unlikely.

EDit: @ Under The Sea: How about this Big Daddy, then? I found it using Google Image Search

[japester]

In the GameInformer article, it mentions that, as a prototype, you are less bulky, but more agile. Something like that, I don't have the magazine by this computer, but it didn't seem like it meant Big Sister clone. Especially considering specializing a thin bodysuit for the prototype seems unlikely.

It wasn't directly referenced....but then again....nothing is being explained fully at this point. My guess is based on 2 clues:
1) the quote you referenced--the only BD-like suit we know that is less bulky and more agile is the Big Sis, and
2) it would explain where Big Sis got her suit (modified prototype), which seems much more likely than a teenager designing a BD suit from scratch.

Why would a thin bodysuit be unlikely for a first try? Especially if they weren't anticipating as much violence in the beginning? I think it's highly likely that they would go with a version that is less extreme for the first BD (then later changing it to lobotomized, hulk-sized, plodding monsters).

[Under The Sea]

EDit: @ Under The Sea: How about this Big Daddy, then? I found it using Google Image Search

not, bad heres another

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/...233f64.jpg?v=0

[MegaScience]

It wasn't directly referenced....but then again....nothing is being explained fully at this point. My guess is based on 2 clues:
1) the quote you referenced--the only BD-like suit we know that is less bulky and more agile is the Big Sis, and
2) it would explain where Big Sis got her suit (modified prototype), which seems much more likely than a teenager designing a BD suit from scratch.

Why would a thin bodysuit be unlikely for a first try? Especially if they weren't anticipating as much violence in the beginning? I think it's highly likely that they would go with a version that is less extreme for the first BD (then later changing it to lobotomized, hulk-sized, plodding monsters).

"As a prototype Big Daddy, you aren't quite as burly as the other ones, but your weapons have been upgraded and they're more effective. So you have this balance of brute physical power versus agility."

If they showed some scronny looking thing to Ryan, you think he'd approve mass production? And as this quote starts, you aren't as burly, but not a thin woman.

By the way, little sisters are probably about 8-10. 7 years until she started this, so she's almost, if not, an adult. Not a teenager.

[japester]

If they showed some scronny looking thing to Ryan, you think he'd approve mass production? And as this quote starts, you aren't as burly, but not a thin woman.

By the way, little sisters are probably about 8-10. 7 years until she started this, so she's almost, if not, an adult. Not a teenager.

I think you're splitting hairs, Mega.

Would Ryan approve a smaller design? Maybe, if he still needed volunteers. Do you think anyone would willingly become a modern BD? Heck no. Hence a more human version. And who is talking about you being a thin woman? I think it's possible that Big Sis is a modified version of you. Meaning you would be normal man-sized (maybe slightly larger) with a tight suit and braces.

18 or 20, does it really make a difference? Do you think she'd study "Big Daddy Suit Construction 101" as a freshman?

[MegaScience]

I'm saying that she made the suit for her thin body. Mostly because you called her a teenager. The Big Sisters suit is specialized for her bodytype, you probably are using a standard Big Daddy Suit, although not as fully integrated to be bigger. But I find a Little sister trusting a thin Big Daddy a bit odd. In BioShock 1, you had to look like a Big Daddy to get their trust. I find being too thin to not be trustable...

[Skaopivy8]

I'm saying that she made the suit for her thin body. Mostly because you called her a teenager. The Big Sisters suit is specialized for her bodytype, you probably are using a standard Big Daddy Suit, although not as fully integrated to be bigger. But I find a Little sister trusting a thin Big Daddy a bit odd. In BioShock 1, you had to look like a Big Daddy to get their trust. I find being too thin to not be trustable...

Well you are supposed to be the first Big Daddy. I am not thinking you were one of the "mass produced prototypes" brought to Ryan. I think the little sisters started out with their Big Daddies not really needing as much protection, until maybe one or two got killed and this prototype, you in BS2, way kind of thrown to the wayside in attempts to find a beefier more intimidating BD. I agree with jap in saying this first BD suit was made skinnier but not compromising on protection. High defense/offense might not have been what they were after the first time around.

[Grimlock]

What do they mean by the "first big daddy?" Since this game takes place tens years after. I am sooo lost with that comment.

[Rassia]

What do they mean by the "first big daddy?" Since this game takes place tens years after. I am sooo lost with that comment.

Have a look through the search function champ or you can pickup a copy of the April Game Informer and read the Bioshock 2 Exclusive. But here's a little teaser:

The developers have come out and said that the gamer is playing as the first Big Daddy, a prototype. At some point after your creation you "ran off" and went underground. We don't know why, how etc. There's a fair bit of conjecture about it (and some VERY good theories).

[austinwilliams14]

what ever happened to the big daddy with boxing glove things on. heres a picture of it (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/bioshock.jpg)

[Blitzkrieg]

I think you're splitting hairs, Mega.

Would Ryan approve a smaller design? Maybe, if he still needed volunteers. Do you think anyone would willingly become a modern BD? Heck no. Hence a more human version. And who is talking about you being a thing woman? I think it's possible that Big Sis is a modified version of you. Meaning you would be normal man-sized (maybe slightly larger) with a tight suit and braces.

18 or 20, does it really make a difference? Do you think she'd study "Big Daddy Suit Construction 101" as a freshman?

But wouldn't the infamous glowing red portal on her helmet disprove this? In all of the pictures, your character gives off the normal yellow(ish) glow through the portal on his helmet (this is also your new flashlight for dark areas). As we all know, she gives off the red glow. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be able to modifiy the helmet that much.

My theroy on her armor is that this was another prototype design, but for a female Big Daddy that for some reason was never used by Ryan.

Edit:

what ever happened to the big daddy with boxing glove things on. heres a picture of it (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/bioshock.jpg)

I think those are two HEAVY machine guns. If I remember correctly, from watching "The Making of BioShock", there was initally four Big Daddies, and they had cut two of them to make time for polishing on the remaining two.

[austinwilliams14]

i read somewhere that the big sister was created as a body guard for ryan,and also a boss for the big daddys and little sisters to make sure they do their jobs.

[Brissan]

I would love to see something completely new and unique. This goes double for the big daddys that you would fight in the game. The Bouncers and Rosies were fun in BS1, but by the end of the game, I was kinda tired of them. I would love the return of the Bouncer and Rosie, but also some entirely new BD's, maybe up to 3 new types.

[japester]

what ever happened to the big daddy with boxing glove things on. heres a picture of it (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/bioshock.jpg)

I shouldn't reveal this, but I got a sneak preview and learned he's in BS2! But he's a hidden character. Make sure you explore the recreational areas in the game. You'll find the Rapture Disco. Look up, and you'll see that Big Daddy hanging from the ceiling by his feet. Those hands are actually lighted disco balls. It's awesome.

[japester]

But I find a Little sister trusting a thin Big Daddy a bit odd. In BioShock 1, you had to look like a Big Daddy to get their trust. I find being too thin to not be trustable...

I don't think appearance has anything to do with it. I believe the bond is pheromone-based (or something similar). Why? Well, for one thing, the Big Sis attracts LS's, and she is very different looking. Also, the magazine states that you can approach a LS who is mourning her dead BD, and she will instantly think you are her dead BD who is now "all better". If this was a visual recognition, she would be confused since the dead BD is still sitting right there.

Despite all my speculation, I wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) if we do end up looking very similar to he standard BD model. But it's fun to imagine the possibilities....

[ATLAS IS WATCHING]

this one looks good

http://www.tropicalreservations-cr.c...e_monster1.jpg


haha jk

omg, thats like a elite ultra big daddy lol..

[thebluefirebean]

^ the pheremones would still be on the dead big daddy. i think it's both visual and pheramone b/c in the LS training grounds, there is a picture of a woman and a big daddy, and the LS's had to pick the big daddy shape or they would get shocked

Anyway, i definitely think that the only possible big daddy design from the previous one we saw can be the rosy, because that's the only design that has a both hands free option. if u were the bouncer, the only weapon u could have would be the drill!

but maybe there will be big daddy stations where u can upgrade/change ur type every once in a while. a bit far fetched i know, but it would still b cool

[japester]

^ the pheremones would still be on the dead big daddy. i think it's both visual and pheramone b/c in the LS training grounds, there is a picture of a woman and a big daddy, and the LS's had to pick the big daddy shape or they would get shocked

Ah, good catch! (I need to play through again. It's been a long while.)

I wonder if the new LS's have different programming since they are obviously fond of Big Sis (adorning her with bows and such).

Or maybe anything in an armored suit fits the bill?

[FISHY CRACKERS]

Or maybe anything in an armored suit fits the bill?

I doubt you'd need a little one to warn you whenever she's near if it was that simple. God forbid you have to do some sort of reaction time maneuver.

[Skaopivy8]

I doubt you'd need a little one to warn you whenever she's near if it was that simple. God forbid you have to do some sort of reaction time maneuver.

Haha. I think it would be nice to have at least a little bit of fair warning. Then again, BS is part horror . I hope it's cool looking. Maybe a little bit of build with a maybe smaller sized diving helmet. Nothing like little sister she doesn't look anything like she is wearing a diving suit (excpet for the tank) .

[TurdSandwitch]

Well, I did some research and found the actual model for the first big daddy in BioShock 2!

http://hijinksensue.com/wp-content/u...dy-costume.jpg

You can thank me later!

[austinwilliams14]

uh,thank you.... (that was a joke)(laugh,now)

[TheParasite]

Well, I did some research and found the actual model for the first big daddy in BioShock 2!

http://hijinksensue.com/wp-content/u...dy-costume.jpg

You can thank me later!

LOL! That made my morning! Thank you kindly sir. (Yes i go on forums at 9am)
That Big Daddy is angry you caught him baking cookies for the Rapture Bake Sale.

[japester]

uh,thank you....

HE SAID TO THANK HIM LATER!!!!


(Take a deep breath, japester.....just calm down and count to ten like they told you....)

[RTM]

I think it will probably be a Bouncer, mostly cause their AWESOME, and they are the symbol of Bioshock, plus i have heard that you'll have a drill.

[Surreal1991]

I would like him to look like this:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2...7925650480.jpg

[buddygz]

I would like him to look like this:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2...7925650480.jpg

oh wow
whered you find that?
i agree

[MegaScience]

what ever happened to the big daddy with boxing glove things on. heres a picture of it (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...m/bioshock.jpg)

Those are double Rock Grinders, not boxing gloves or machine guns.

I don't think appearance has anything to do with it. I believe the bond is pheromone-based (or something similar). Why? Well, for one thing, the Big Sis attracts LS's, and she is very different looking. Also, the magazine states that you can approach a LS who is mourning her dead BD, and she will instantly think you are her dead BD who is now "all better". If this was a visual recognition, she would be confused since the dead BD is still sitting right there.

Despite all my speculation, I wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) if we do end up looking very similar to he standard BD model. But it's fun to imagine the possibilities....

The Big Sister is the one who made BioShock 2's Little Sisters, as Jack and Tenenbaum had apparently took all of them away at the end of the first game. As such, the Little Sisters would obviously like Big Sister, as well as Big Daddies. With the Little Sisters conditioning, she see's the dead for Adam and the living as either threat or "Bubbles." Once her Big Daddy is dead, she'll see any Big Daddy who comes to her as "Bubbles."

And if it was just the pheromones, why did you need the suit and voice change in BioShock 1 to call a Little Sister?

Although Big Sister doesn't seem to attract Little Sisters, she is only their apparent protector, so Little Sisters aren't afraid of them.

[..Only Man..]

I don't think you will look like a Rosie or Bouncer, but that it will be based more on the old-fashioned atmospheric diving suits of the 50's.

If I had to choose one of the two it would definetly be the Bouncer (Elite, if possible), because they are just so adorable .

[RTM]

I would like him to look like this:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2...7925650480.jpg

Dude! That used to be my avatar!

[BioShock Freak]

Maybe it'll be something completely different. Would be pretty cool if it was a Bouncer, though.
~Mari.

[JimmyTheCannon]

i read somewhere that the big sister was created as a body guard for ryan,and also a boss for the big daddys and little sisters to make sure they do their jobs.

Uh-huh. Where'd you read this? Because the GameInformer article, which is information from 2k, says that she's a former Little Sister.

[Docmeff]

How do you know what you'd even look like? You never saw anything other than Jack's hands. I never saw a reflection of him. And there was only one photograph of a head shot.