I was playing against him last night and i was only up by about four techs and just got the great builder to build the east india company then i found the knights templar with my galleon and got a tank i sailed in behind his biggest tech city and was two squares away so he couldnt see me and then the next turn i overan his defense with the tank and right as that happened and i took the city it froze.
No wonder that kid is number 4?
has anyone else ever played him?
you should know that by now...mxrx3, games206, and especially kyotai4 are known for freezing...kyotai is the biggest chicken and wont play me no matter what
Ok, you called me when I don't use zulu and I don't freeze games (when it's obvious WHO freezes gamesOriginally Posted by crazysquirrel
you should know that by now...mxrx3, games206, and especially kyotai4 are known for freezing...kyotai is the biggest chicken and wont play me no matter what
However I played with games but I beat him without freezing but I think he was pasuing..
Iīve seen many accusations of game freezing here and playing on X360. Many times people even accused me of freezing a game but is it really possible to do that?
I think the game sometimes freezes because of a bug not because someone intentionally did it.
Could someone tell me if really there is a way to freeze a game???
You donīt need to tell me how to do it, I just want to know if itīs possible or just a myth. If this is a myth people should stop accusing others of something that is not even possible.
Yes, it's possible. That's how the first (using chinese) win games.
I think it has more to do with people network connections and NAT settings of the router/ISP. The problem is that some MP modules of the game can be very unstable.
Sure, it is sometimes possible to find a pattern. After many games if one sees that doing a particular thing (like pausing it, trying diplomacy or other) while doing something else the opponent's game freezes/disconnects, assigning the win, and redoing the exact same thing it happens again... the opponents are doomed.
The problem is that it may work for some people/network connections and not for others. So it's not necessarily reproducible in every case. And since the bug is in the game code and not in the network, even if someone has the best connectivity the bad one of the cheater may allow the bug to be exploited in the good player console.
But to make this long story short, I still believe it's very unlikely to happen.
Morte,
I sorry to hear that. I have played 200 games and always thought it was not possible to freeze a game intentionally.
Could you tell me if pressing pause is a proof that the other guy is not freezing the game?
I don't know, however this player for example freezes game like when the turn passes.
Yes, but that doesn't mean it is intentional. Instead of the player it might be his network connections reproducing the "DoS" (denial of service) pattern.
No, it is him and he does that intentionally, in fact when he is losing, he freezes the game. I asked that to italian buddies and others and they told me it happened when he was losing.
Well...
So Morte says its possible to freeze intentionally but Michelasso thinks it is not...
Many times people think the other guy froze the game because they were just about to win but it may be just coincidence.
I had games frozen in the beginning in the end, when I was winning and when I was losing and I always thought it was a just a bug.
The only way to know for sure is if someone says that HE is able to freeze the game every time he wants and not by thinking that the others can do it because he heard people saying that or because the game froze when they were about to win.
So Morte, I know you are not a cheater but if you want would YOU be able to freeze a game? Or would anyone that is reading this be?
This is very important to know if all the accusations that are made here have some real base or not.
Nobody can have proof of that. When my game freezes is often when lots of thing are happening in the game or doing particular action. It happen a lot when you use spy or attack an ennemy city. An other way that people use to try to make you quit, is when they are sure to lose they stop to play and let the timer turn. It can be really long before the game finish.
I'm not sure about the other freeze, I think like Michelasso is right on this. It depends more on the connection, because almost every freeze happen at the first turn or when lots of information are treated at the same time. Also, it's really easy to say that people cheat so they are number one and not you. You can't be number one just by cheating imo. What can really help is a good connection that prevents some freeze that other people experience more than you.
Ok, I answer you just to make you understand:
Is normal that he freezes games like 400-500 times?
PS: Yes, he is first just by cheating.
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Well, I said that theoretically it's possible. The problem is that once it is possible usually (many?) other people discover that, and the few honest of them report it. I would. Personally I don't believe that only one guy has found the way to do it, I am pretty sure that Morte would have discovered the exploit as well. But, again, it may happen only with some network configuration.
Another option is that a cheater is an IT expert and hacks it through the router (I tried to do it once as an experiment but my stupid router didn't seem to accept on the fly filters and stuff. I tried this because the game was stuck as usual anyway - PS3..).
Funny enough I am more likely to believe this second one. Filtering some ports may hit a bug caused buy an half working connection. For sure a scenario like this has not been tested and since we get unintentional freezes something (really) bad should happen for real.
But again, these are just theories. Maybe the guy just has a junky connection that drives the other people X360 crazy. There is no way to tell.
the game was perfectly fine until i took over his biggest city and at the end of the turn it froze
I have this situation every day. And only if I attack last opponent. I can tell more names, who did this. I never tried, but its looks like, when I attack, opponent press "O" button, like retreat, but he cannot retreat because he is in defense, and game freezes. We can test this with someone who is online.
Or better to say - paused on his end and "waiting for..." on my. Than he can go to bed or school or .... until I exit this game and he have domination victory.
I've played him before w/ no freezes. He only plays Zulu FYI.
while he could have a way to freeze the game intentionally, the players that have a reputation as being freezers may not know in particular how to freeze the game everytime, but do know some of the situations where freezes occur.
Lots of freezes happen at the end of turns, when the other player quits or pauses the game. So often time when I'm playing one of these players with a bad rep, they often pause the game a lot, or go inactive for a turn or two, hoping for a freeze. Or they'll do meaningless moves right before the timer is up and hope for lockup. I've had ppl spam diplomacy non-stop as well. I think some of these things worked better before the patch, especially the never-ending pauses, so now they just to do it as much as they can, but I think that has been one thing that was decently fixed with 1.3.
On PS3, just about anything out of the ordinary could lock up the game. On PS3 I would never assume anyone is cheating just because a freeze occured, because it was so commonplace, but that's people's natural reaction. There was a player on PS3 that I had multiple freezes with and saw other complaints on boards about, so I avoided him. The freezes were hard freezes where the image locked up and the PS button didn't even work, I had to restart the PS3 at the base unit. The freezes from this player never came at the normal freeze times, usually it was when I had really gained an advatage, or pulled off something huge in the game, then soon there after it'd lock up. if u wanna know who my blacklisted players were on PS3, just shoot me a PM, and I'll try to get those to u.
I haven't had a freeze yet on 360, but apparently they're out there. I don't know if we'll ever have any proof, because that would require someone to come clean, and that hasn't happened yet in the 6 months this game has been out.
I suggest filing a complaint w/ microsoft or maybe to 2k if you really feel like u have evidence of malplay.
I am not sure if someone can intentionally freeze a game or not but I will tell you if it is not intentional it is one gigantic coincidence. I am playing a FFA right now and the game played PERFECT with out any re-syncs or any problems until I was taking a players capital. Right after I killed what seemed like all of his defensive units he started spamming me with diplomacy about 25 times then game froze. Been 25 minutes and it is still froze.
The guy that did it to me is top 20 on leaderboard....maybe just another coincidence. I know the freeze gave me the lost, maybe he got one too and it wasn't his fault but it sure seemed fishy the way it happened.
I don't know if this constitutes "spamming", but there've been occasions when I've had to try initiating diplomacy a number of times when I'd been at war with a Civ that had switched to Democracy. It's probably a game glitch, but it's my understanding that you should be able to force a Civ with Democracy to accept peace (at least, post the 1.30 patch). However, I've been in a few games where I've tried to get peace from these players and had them completely ignore me (i.e. they continued their warmongering ways). Sometimes I've had to "initiate diplomacy" more than half a dozen times to get them to stop, and sometimes I haven't been able to stop them at all (which really sucks, since they apparently get the benefits of Democracy AND the ability to continue fighting me).
If it is like that, just test it in some unranked games. Or maybe do the trick a couple of times in games you're winning (so you're not cheating), and see if the other player disconnects.
In the PS3 it's much harder to have intentional freezings because we are so afraid to touch anything, to avoid to freeze our games!
right, but ppl who wanna try and freeze the game will touch everything to try and lock up the game.In the PS3 it's much harder to have intentional freezings because we are so afraid to touch anything, to avoid to freeze our games!
games206 always uses zulu so i have him on my avoid list. the guy chased everyone off early then he rushes over to me but can't take my city so he just sits on my hammers. skill + zulu = turd sandwich. but anyway......
my best guess is that you can't 100% of the time freeze it but if you keep trying you might eventually lock it up. it seemed to happen alot to me, up until just the last two weeks, before like one in three games froze, but i haven't had any due to my game/connection in a couple of weeks. but i am more careful and wait to enter the city screen or diplomatic and tech screens, when i see the turn is fully up and running and i avoid making last second moves or changes at the end of the round.
The only thing that comes to my mind after reading all this thread, is that 2K putted so much emphasis about not cheating and the game instead is screwed allowing lots of them. The bad ones.
I don't know what Sid Meier thinks, but this is his creature, and Firaxis as much as I understood is his workshop. He could put down some of the big $$$ he made with his game and fix it once for all.
Personally I find the MP unplayable in the PS3 (and Grayson that switched to the X360 can confirm it). I went back to SP indeed (I play scenarios. They can be fun). But I really miss the MP experience. Deity now became boring. I may still loose once in a while, but I won with all civs without saving.
Sid! If you're reading give us a shot!!! (and a patch, sure).
Hey guys, calling out individual players is not allowed. It's ok to talk about them in general, but it's not ok to list a specific name.
This thread has been allowed to run because the discussion moved to talking about freezing in general. But if it goes back to naming names, the thread will be closed.
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