Impossible Achievements...

[somecut8]

So, I was wondering, since Microsoft has started the achievement system for its games, numerous hardcore gamers have become achievement "☺☺☺☺☺s" and would not stop playing a game until they collect all 1000 points. Now what if some mischievious developer decided to create an almost impossible achievement just to get gamers to play that game. Extremely hardcore gamers would have no choice but to try to obtain the achievement just so they would be able to say, "yep, I got it." One example of a mischievious developer would be Epic. The people at Epic decided to create an achievement requiring 10,000 kills. 10,000 KILLS! Now that is an insane amount. You would have to play Gears of Warn none stop for several months in order to even come close to getting the achievement. But people still would try to obtain it. I have several friends who are on the quest in getting the achievement, which I think is crazy. Now my question is, what if somebody like Bungie, decides to create a 1,000,000 kills achievement or a 1,000,000,000 kills achievement for Halo 3. You know somebody out there is going to try to accomplish this task, even if they will probably die before they achieve the goal.

[Redraf]

I know people who have 10 000 kill achievement. I isn't THAT hard, it takes time but with a little patience you'd get there. I don't have that kind of patience myself.

Theres a huge difference between 10 000 ad 1 000 000 000 kills.

[LowEnergyCycle]

I'm sure it says a lot about people, phychologically, who just can't live without all the Achievements. I think they're a good idea in some respects - well-designed Achievements make sure you get the most out of your games by making you do a little bit of everything, and they are offten a nice diversion from the Main Quests or whatever.

But the 10,000 Kills Achievement - that's just willy-waving material. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Hatesink]

In a single game of RE4 my stats read about 1000 kills each time (I don't use evasion as a tactic, I basically kill almost every last one of them). I've played through it three times, so I guess that makes the number about 3000 kills.

I know that's probably not got anything to do with achievements, but I guess it might give some idea as to how hard it might be to get the GoW achievement.

I've never been on line with an xbox, so I don't really know that much about achievements, but I'm wondering what the achievements are going to be for BioShock. I can imagine there's going to be an achievement for killing a Big Daddy, but what about achievements for killing or saving Little Sisters. If there are any, that might seriously skew the whole dynamic for a lot of players.

[nmrahde]

I'd rather just set achievements like that for myself when I go through a game.

Here's some to go for:

*Herd all Little Sisters into the Medical Pavillion
*Ride over 50, 75, and 100% of the gave on a Big Daddy
*Go through the game without shooting
*Fire off EVERY last shot of ammo in the game
*Set 50, 100, 250 enemies on fire
*Steal a Big Daddy's pants
*Backstab a Big Daddy with a ballista

I apologize for those last 2..."The Gamers" is stuck in my head right now...

[D'Sparil]

I don't even care about achievements..... whats the point anyways? To brag you have less of a life than the next guy? A game is designed for the player to enjoy themeselves the most.. like someone said above its like a tacked on way to get people to play the game more or whatever.

[One0Shot]

Yah I never have actually tried to get achivements. I just let them be unlocked when they are.

[witch]

It's just fun, well for some it is. I have never tried to get some of them, such as "Be the top in leader boards on Ghost Recon", but others are just random or funny to get (like falling down a manhole 5 times in the 1989 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles arcade game).

Some people are obsessed with them, but hey, it's a form of expression, a bragging one, but one none the less. For me, as I said earlier, it's fun and if I manage a difficult one I do feel a bit proud.

[takymen]

I don't know about you guys but I just play and don´t worry about achievements. But I think a good achievement would be "Kill a BigDaddy"

[Adabiviak]

It works - with video games, they figured this out very early with missions to collect all the [insert favorite items here]. In Mortal Kombat, how much play was driven to be the guy who knew all the Fatalaties? In Super Mario Brothers, how much play was driven by finding all the secrets? In online forums, how many posts are filler for post counts and not genuine discussion items? People love that kind of stuff, and marketers know it.

[Jeff]

I love the idea of achievements, but I hate achievement ☺☺☺☺☺s. When I'm playing a game and that "achievement unlocked" icon pops up I do feel a sense of accomplishment, and it is a way for people to not only brag about what they've done, but be able to show it off.

That being said, I -hate hate hate HATE HATE- easy achievements, if you can run through a game and within half an hour have most of the achievements, there's nothing to brag about there. In Crackdown for example, why would I brag about melee'ing 500 gang members? your going to hit that plateau no matter what you do.

I'd much rather see achievements that you really have to go off the beaten path for, stuff that's not going to happen just by playing the campaign through without thinking about it. something like killing 50 or more big-daddy's in a certain way, now -that- would be an achievement.

[LowEnergyCycle]

Yeah, I agree with Mr. Jeff. A stupid 'Kill-counter' Acheivement isn't worth anything in my humble opinion. It just indicates that you've played the game for X-amount of time.

Wow! Well done you! Here's an Acheivement! It's Free!

I mean, you haven't really acheived anything at all. You've just played the game, like you're supposed to.

Whoopie doo.

[^ilovebioshock!]

lets not forget Dead Rising "You have just killed 50 zombies,good job"

[Redraf]

The classic Crackdown acheivements, you killed one boss and you unlocked one supply point.

I also love co-op achievements. Finish a little bit of the game with someone else! Good Job! You have a whole friend!

[LowEnergyCycle]

lets not forget Dead Rising "You have just killed 50 zombies,good job"

... Which is entirely possible in the very first scene before you even get to the top of the stairs. So why not have another pointless acheivement for that too?

The Climbing Stairs Acheivement - 10 Gamer Points

The classic Crackdown acheivements, you killed one boss and you unlocked one supply point.

I also love co-op achievements. Finish a little bit of the game with someone else! Good Job! You have a whole friend!

... Which reminds me of Just Cause (or Just ☺☺☺☺-Up, IMO ), where you get 3 seperate acheivements simply for surving X-minutes with the Cop-o'-meter at full. The trouble here is three-fold:

• You only have to pull a funny face at the Police to get into a full-scale war complete with helecopters and roadblocks.
• Once they start chasing you, they NEVER give up. They're like Ultra-Mounties or something.
• The game is so stunningly easy, it's virtually impossible to die.

A better Acheivement would be rewarded for taking the disc out and smashing it to bits. I'd call it:

The Freedom From Rubbish Game Design Acheivement - 1000 Gamer Points

[borgdrone89]

this reminds me of a quote from the simpsons:
"here, i have a ball. perhaps you'd like to bounce it."
*ball falls and bounces away*
"got away from ya huh? well..you keep at it!"

and then the one with the guy who made a car that runs on his thoughts of self confidence, and he just whizzes off down the road.

these things made me crack up so much.

[37inf.div.]

10000 isnt that hard i did it in time splitters fp

[TheVinster]

Why refer to us as "achievement ☺☺☺☺☺s?" We have feelings to, it's pretty crude to just throw that out there. I am a PERFECTIONIST, not a god damn ☺☺☺☺☺. Moving on, Epic has some great achievements; games that are TOO easy are the worst because people abuse them to just get achievements. If you think 10,000 kills is bad, think again.

[deathcheckedin]

how about the 25 reload achievements in gears

[Nias Wolf]

It is to help you understand the reloading system.

[nyoe]

... Which is entirely possible in the very first scene before you even get to the top of the stairs. So why not have another pointless acheivement for that too?

The Climbing Stairs Acheivement - 10 Gamer Points



... Which reminds me of Just Cause (or Just ☺☺☺☺-Up, IMO ), where you get 3 seperate acheivements simply for surving X-minutes with the Cop-o'-meter at full. The trouble here is three-fold:

• You only have to pull a funny face at the Police to get into a full-scale war complete with helecopters and roadblocks.
• Once they start chasing you, they NEVER give up. They're like Ultra-Mounties or something.
• The game is so stunningly easy, it's virtually impossible to die.

A better Acheivement would be rewarded for taking the disc out and smashing it to bits. I'd call it:

The Freedom From Rubbish Game Design Acheivement - 1000 Gamer Points

im sorry but i have to correct you on the dead rising thing as a person who loved the hell outta that game and who has killed all the spawning zombies at the beginning and say that yer wayyyyy wyay wayyy wayyy waaaaaaaaaaaaay (watch me stress how wayyy wayy wayy off you are on this) Off there are about 600-800 zombies tops depending on how many respawn while yer killing them and also while killing all of them yer weapons break and i can tell you that killing even 1000 zombies by hand is a daunting task the truth is that the zombie genocider acheivement (kill 53,594 zomibes) is not as easy a task as it sounds nor is it that hard its really just time consuming taking the most effecient way of killing zombies (running them down in cars in the parking tunnels) takes about an hour sorry to rant but i dont want to see 1 wasted (not really i love dead rising) hour of my life trivializedinto something like that

[nyoe]

Why refer to us as "achievement ☺☺☺☺☺s?" We have feelings to, it's pretty crude to just throw that out there. I am a PERFECTIONIST, not a god damn ☺☺☺☺☺. Moving on, Epic has some great achievements; games that are TOO easy are the worst because people abuse them to just get achievements. If you think 10,000 kills is bad, think again.

yer not an acheivement ☺☺☺☺☺ yer more like what you said a perfectionist and just want to have that feeling that youve done everything you coudve done in a game acheivement ☺☺☺☺☺s are people who go out and buy barbies dreamhouse just for an easy 1000 points i have friends who are more of acheivement ☺☺☺☺☺s than me but still have lower gamer scores for example my friend has guitar hero 2 im looking at the acheivements for it and see one that say watch the credits now for me i would have gotten this because i like to watch the credits in games my friend who never in his life would have watched the credits puts the credits on to get the acheivement then starts to watch tv i watch them and they are pretty damn long and right when im pretty sure theyre over i push B and exit the credits before he gets the acheivement lol he was pissed

[Magical Mongoose]

yer not an acheivement ☺☺☺☺☺ yer more like what you said a perfectionist and just want to have that feeling that youve done everything you coudve done in a game acheivement ☺☺☺☺☺s are people who go out and buy barbies dreamhouse just for an easy 1000 points i have friends who are more of acheivement ☺☺☺☺☺s than me but still have lower gamer scores for example my friend has guitar hero 2 im looking at the acheivements for it and see one that say watch the credits now for me i would have gotten this because i like to watch the credits in games my friend who never in his life would have watched the credits puts the credits on to get the acheivement then starts to watch tv i watch them and they are pretty damn long and right when im pretty sure theyre over i push B and exit the credits before he gets the acheivement lol he was pissed

...U said all that in one sentence o.0?

[That_dude]

Why refer to us as "achievement ☺☺☺☺☺s?" We have feelings to, it's pretty crude to just throw that out there. I am a PERFECTIONIST, not a god damn ☺☺☺☺☺. Moving on, Epic has some great achievements; games that are TOO easy are the worst because people abuse them to just get achievements. If you think 10,000 kills is bad, think again.

Yeah, but also the same old MP crap we've been seeing with most 360 games. That and they are nothing creative.
I had 4,000 Kills in a month and a half, so no, it's not much of a problem for me, though I quit ranked due to lack of updates/maps. Still, some people think I am really good for some reason, even though I have a lot of rust on me.

[Amazing Larry]

I have never cared for "time committed" style acheivments, getting ten thousand kills in Gears multi is a really good example of just how obnoxious these things get or any of the games with "one hundred kills with each weapon" achievements . Although Ghost Recon's "be number one on the leader boards" is has to be the most offensive one I have ever seen because maybe a hundred or so guys at the most will ever be able to get it. On the other hand achievements like "complete the five minute training section" are just as annoying in the other direction.

The best achievements in my opinion are the "complete a feat of awesomness" kind. For instance for a stealth game one could be "complete a mission without firing a shot" or for Halo 3 one could be "Get four sniper kills in six seconds in the campaign" or "get a killtacular". What I'm saying is that achievement points should be handed out for singular acts of skill and ability not for playing the game for a thousand hours.

[chirs3]

Another thing I'd love to see - this is based on my wishlist for Halo 3 achievements, but it can apply anywhere, really - is achievements for good behavior in online games. Like:

Finish the Fight - Finish 100 consecutive ranked games without quitting - 50G

Stickler for Safety - Finisher 100 consecutive games without causing any damage to teammates - 50G

I'm all for wacky bizarre achievements, but as long as there are going to be "Do X, Y times" achievements, let's use them to encourage good behavior.

[Amazing Larry]

Good point, if anything achievements like "get such and such kills with such and such weapon" actually encourage bad behavior, ever been in a game of Shadowrun and seen a player using inappropriate weapons or tactics and when asked about it received the answer "well I'm trying to get the achievement for sword kills"? Or played Gears and had a teammate who always ran off right at the start to grab the grenades after which he spent the entire match trying to get grenade tags at inopportune moments so he'd get the achievement?

I know I have, and that's to say nothing of the damn boosters and "achievement rooms".

[Seamonkey]

I don't really like impossible achevements, just really creative ones.

[TheVinster]

Another thing I'd love to see - this is based on my wishlist for Halo 3 achievements, but it can apply anywhere, really - is achievements for good behavior in online games. Like:

Finish the Fight - Finish 100 consecutive ranked games without quitting - 50G

Stickler for Safety - Finisher 100 consecutive games without causing any damage to teammates - 50G

I'm all for wacky bizarre achievements, but as long as there are going to be "Do X, Y times" achievements, let's use them to encourage good behavior.

http://www.achieve360points.com/game/halo3/

[Knight]

So, I was wondering, since Microsoft has started the achievement system for its games, numerous hardcore gamers have become achievement "☺☺☺☺☺s" and would not stop playing a game until they collect all 1000 points. Now what if some mischievious developer decided to create an almost impossible achievement just to get gamers to play that game. Extremely hardcore gamers would have no choice but to try to obtain the achievement just so they would be able to say, "yep, I got it." One example of a mischievious developer would be Epic. The people at Epic decided to create an achievement requiring 10,000 kills. 10,000 KILLS! Now that is an insane amount. You would have to play Gears of Warn none stop for several months in order to even come close to getting the achievement. But people still would try to obtain it. I have several friends who are on the quest in getting the achievement, which I think is crazy. Now my question is, what if somebody like Bungie, decides to create a 1,000,000 kills achievement or a 1,000,000,000 kills achievement for Halo 3. You know somebody out there is going to try to accomplish this task, even if they will probably die before they achieve the goal.

I think achievements are a good idea for the most part. It adds replay value to most games. However for acheivements activated during online-only play i dislike for the most part i.e. most of Gears of War acheivements. Its frusturating especially since the leaderboards that track those stats are innaccurate. I hope Bungie sticks to the acheivements that were sorta leaked (Most activated during campaign mode.) Online acheivements also encourage cheating.

[VigorTheImpregnable]

i think dead rising had the best achievements, they were fun to do and some of them gave you special items.

[thesuperjman]

Im not trying to get the Seriously achievement on GOW but i know i will some day. since i play gears all the time and i only play ranked (cause the host cant boot you and theres no wep swaps). so yea one day ill get it

[Knight]

Call me a geek but I like the achievements that unlock exclusive gamer pics (Like "Seriously..." from GoW and "Shadowrun Fever" from Shadowrun). Just fun to unlock those

[thesuperjman]

its not geeky. hell were all on a game forum lol. but yea id rather unlock a free picture then spend money on one. i dont invest in gamer pics or themes. watse of money. i have free gamerpics like form movies and i use the future weapons free GOW theme... which i personally like better than any of the themes you have to pay for actually.

[Knight]

its not geeky. hell were all on a game forum lol. but yea id rather unlock a free picture then spend money on one. i dont invest in gamer pics or themes. watse of money. i have free gamerpics like form movies and i use the future weapons free GOW theme... which i personally like better than any of the themes you have to pay for actually.

I dont purchase gamerpics/themes either. I have one set of gamerpics that I purchased and this was due to the extra MS points I had left from a name change. I purchased the Gears of War Hidden Fronts pack (The only expansion I have ever purchased) because GoW was the only game I played at the time. I'm eager to play shivering Isles but refuse to pay 2,800 MS for an expansion thats too much..I also refrain from buying arcade games because im afraid I'll only play it once or twice and lose interest in it and never play it again. So free/unlocked gamerpics/content =

[Knight]

I'm currently using the Cult of Rapture Gamerpics that were given free for being a member of these forums

[thesuperjman]

ye ai applied for those. how long did it take. even if i dont get them itd be cool if she could give me a reply or somethin lettinme know. those are free so yea. also i think buy in the game expansions like extra maps, etc. is worth the money. this is somethin u can use and acutally enjoy. in my opinion. i think ill buy those maps tonight. i ahvent gotten to it ive been lazy. they worth it?

[Surlaw The Mai]

i think dead rising had the best achievements, they were fun to do and some of them gave you special items.

BLARG~! I STILL cannot save 50 survivors in that game... that one achievement haunts me to this very day...

[Amazing Larry]

BLARG~! I STILL cannot save 50 survivors in that game... that one achievement haunts me to this very day...

I got 49 once, maybe someday I'll pull out a walk through and go for the full fifty but maybe not.

[LordLeckie]

well its nice to have something to aim for, i mean its sort of something you can wear with either pride or shame, the pride of having accomplished such a daunting task or the shame of the fact that you have spent months of your life chasing after a few pixels of recognition.