Great Person Achievement

[RayJay]

Hi guys

I just got the great leaders acheievement today so I thought I'd help out anyone else looking to get it

Here I've listed all the great people and the techs that they're associated with as well as providing a brief strategy as to how to build up a good cultural base in the early game.

The following are listed top to bottom, left to right:

First block:
Einstein - Atomic theory
Enrico Fermi - Nuclear power
Otto lelienthal - flight
Marie curie - metalurgy
Pythagoras - mathematics
Alexander graham bell - corperation
Archiemdes - engineering
Gugliermo Marconi - Electronics
Confucius - Literacy
Solomon - Code of laws
Thomas edison - electricity

Second block:
Cheops - masonry
James watt - steam power
Imhotep - ceremonial burial
George Stephson - Steel
Gilgamesh - Horseback riding
Nebuchadnezzer - construction
Leonardo da Vinci - invention

Third block:
Albert Schweitzer - Globalization
Eli whitney - mass production
Thomas beckett - feudalism
Florence nitingale - gunpowder
Johanes Gutenburg - printing press
Lao Tzu - Irrigation
Frederick Douglas - railroad

Fourth block:
Leopold Stokowski - superconductor
Aesop - writing
Sophocles - democracy
Charles babbage - networking
Arittotle - university
Fydor Dostoevsky - industrialization
Plato - university
Karl marx - communism
Homer - alphabet
J.s bach - religion

Fifth block:
Wilbur wright - Advanced flight
WR Hearst - Mass media
Roald Amundsen - combustion
Tippu Sultan - Space flight
Henry Ford - automobile
Marco Polo - currency
Vasco de Gama - Navigation
Christopher Coumbus - Banking
Sargon - Bronze working

Sixth block:
Agamemnon - Iron working
David - Monarchy



Now for the strategy to get a culturally strong early game. I should mention that I play on emperor level and should be moving up to deity soon.

I usually play a patient cultural game so I think this guide should be able to help some people out:

Both the english and greeks are ideal for a cultural game as they both start with handy goverments - monarchy (palace culture doubled) and democracy (+50% currency and science) and they both have strong defenders available almost immediatly (Hoplite and Longbow archer) so either are an excellent choice. (The forced peace of Democracy doesn't matter as war should be avoided anyway)

I'll use the greeks in this example. So I would research in this order bronze working, pottery, ceremonial burial to begin with. Forget horseback riding and
iron working - you won't need them for a while. So once you've spread out you should have on average 4 cities, maybe 5 or 3 but 4 is the most likely.

Now at this stage you should have consolidated your warriors into an army and have 1 hoplite or warrior in each city and met 1 or 2 civs already

Your 4th city will be the furthest away from your capital and so will be your frontier city - its nearest to neighbours and most likely to suffer attacks throughout the game. So its critical to get a hoplite army into your froniter city IMMEDIATLY as you only have a handful of turns before your neighbours turn on you and declare war for no reason. Also build hoplite armys in your other cities in good time to ward against naval attacks or sneak attacks.

Heres where the beauty of the strong defensive unit comes into play. Your opponent will have wave after wave of Legions at the door step of your frontier city in no time but they effictively can't do anything. A standard hoplite army has a defence of 12 with this rising to 15 with fortification and to 18 with vetern status after 3 battles. Whereas the legion has a standard 6 attack and 9 attack after you opponent builds a barracks so its almost an impossible job to take that city until he can get knights or galleons to help out - unless you've placed your frontier city next to a mountain which would be a massive blunder as he can keep suiciding his 12 attack legions into your 15 attack holpite army on the same turn and over run your city

Which means you've go a short window of oppertunity before your neighbours can realistically launch an offensive (other civs would be forced to suppliment their archer armies with attacking units making the next part unworkable)

So while the AI is either building useless legions to camp outside the city or attacking with crap odds thus allowing your hoplites to upgrade you begin
focusing on growing your 3 rear cities (The frontier city should be focusing on production and building more hoplites) with building upgrades. I'd reccommend
rushing the granaries in each with foucs on production and after that switch the focus to food production and start rushing temples when you gather the funds.

From there you should have they 3 larger than average cities that should be powerful in the late game and able to provide support to your beleagured frontier city

When you've built the temples simply make a beeline for the techs you need to make the great person your missing most likely to appear. Don't forget wonders like Magna Carta and Shakesperes Theatre to help push you closer to a cultural victory

So thats my strategy, I've tested it before and it worked but let me know what you guys think

[Soulless]

Good strat. similar to what i did on diety. i always try to make my frontier city in an area where all or the majority of the other nations have to go through it to get to me.

[pappy1vg]

So to get that certain great person you have to be the first one to get that tech or what?

[Soulless]

my question as well. was first to bronze working and horseback riding as zulu and indian. i think some great persons (at least in the beginning) are race specific. possibly arabs to get gilgamesh and sargon?

[RayJay]

So to get that certain great person you have to be the first one to get that tech or what?

my question as well. was first to bronze working and horseback riding as zulu and indian. i think some great persons (at least in the beginning) are race specific. possibly arabs to get gilgamesh and sargon?

I think theres a certain degree a randomness to which great person you get. Last night I got florence nitingale (gunpowder) before anyone had even researched that tech

I think once you have the associated tech + culture you stand a decent chance of making the one you want appear

Yeah Arabs would make sense for getting rush related great people

[Soulless]

I think theres a certain degree a randomness to which great person you get. Last night I got florence nitingale (gunpowder) before anyone had even researched that tech

I think once you have the associated tech + culture you stand a decent chance of making the one you want appear

Yeah Arabs would make sense for getting rush related great people

thanks. i'll have to try that today.

[slugster]

Thx RayJay! I've been hunting this Achievement for a few days (the last to complete them all) and it kept giving my the same bunch of Great People over and over again. I was just starting BetaCentauri games with the greek and that way I could generate tons of great persons but it was the same 20-25 each time. So it made good sense that it is somehow related to the techs.

I started a new normal game and tried not to research anything to see which great persons I would get. I popped Bronze Working from a hut (doh!) but kept playing. My first Great Person was J.S.Bach. That didnt make sense at all since he is linked with Religion (and a theory about if some of the AI has the tech it could trig as well didnt prove good since Arab was not part of my enemies). But then the next GP was Sargon! One of the GP I had missed out on for a zillion games! He is linked with Bronze Working so something seems right here. I continued playing starting to reseach a few techs to up my culture. And I kept getting about 50% totally random and 50% from what seemed to be my researched tech. And I also got Gilgamesh (Horseback Riding) in the same game and completed the achivement

So Great Persons and the tech you have researched (or recently researched?) is linked, but there are no guarantees since there seems to be some extra randomness added.

[RayJay]

Your welcome guys

I've been trying to get the 1000AD achievement all day today and I just beat it on 450AD. I'll post a complete walkthrough guide when I get the time

[BGO]

do the greeks make the GP come out more? i only need Frederick Douglass, and im always the first in my games to the the Railroad tech, and im even using spies to steel GPs from others, but for some reason this dude just dosent want to show up....

[RayJay]

do the greeks make the GP come out more? i only need Frederick Douglass, and im always the first in my games to the the Railroad tech, and im even using spies to steel GPs from others, but for some reason this dude just dosent want to show up....

Nope, they're just good for cultural play because of their defensive setup

The English get a culture bonus at the start of the game (due to monarchy) so maybe try a single player with them to try make him appear

[KrashKrunal]

Wouldn't Chieftan as any civ really, but say the civs that have a 'More GP' ability, and just dominating the game culturaly be a good idea? I mean you can essentially demolish the opposing civs to the point where tehy have one city VERY early in the game. Then you just need to go to work at building settlers and new cities as well as Temples and Cathedrals. You can do this all before 0 AD if you work hard at it. Do that then you'll be getting more and more GP every turn to the point where shouldn't you have pretty much EVERY SINGLE GP, I've never noticed that I've gotten more than one of the same GP, so essentially you should be able to get all of them in one game... should you not? And on Chieftan that is more than possible.

[RayJay]

I dunno, someone would hasn't all the GP's would have to test it on chieftan level and see do they get new ones

[BGO]

ill run the english later on cheff and just go balls out for GP. let you know how that goes...

[KrashKrunal]

I wouldn't bother with the English, they may have the initial culture boost, but then you might as well just learn whatever you need to build the pyramids and then switch to Monachy... instead I'd suggest I think it's the romans or greeks who have the 'more GP' ability in one of hte Eras.

[Krotch77]

I have two quick questions.

1) Where in the menu do I find which people I have/dont have. Is it in the beginning menu, or is it a "in" game menu?

2) I am assuming that to get this cheevo, you DO NOT have to collect all of these people in one game.

Thanks.

[MorteEterna]

Extras, Hall of Glory

For the second question what do you mean? You can do it in 100 games, you don't need to take all in one game

[Soulless]

still missing gilgamesh and sargon. beaten every difficulty every different way and have won with all nations. by far, the most annoying achievement. anyone remember who they used and what strat they used to get those 2? i was thinking english as well since the 2 techs "assigned" to those 2 GP are both first tier.

[MorteEterna]

You could try sometimes using Lincoln if you want, or English on chieftain, or in the scenario beta centauri

[Soulless]

i've tried most of the scenarios as well. guess another couple of hours to get those last 45 points

and thanks for the advice.

[MorteEterna]

I have played some single games, without cheating, exploiting or do those things however. You can do the same thing, try to make new strategies while you take those you need.

[RayJay]

still missing gilgamesh and sargon. beaten every difficulty every different way and have won with all nations. by far, the most annoying achievement. anyone remember who they used and what strat they used to get those 2? i was thinking english as well since the 2 techs "assigned" to those 2 GP are both first tier.

You could try sometimes using Lincoln if you want, or English on chieftain, or in the scenario beta centauri

I agree with Morte, try a single player with the English and research bronze and horseback riding immediately

[BGO]

I have two quick questions.

1) Where in the menu do I find which people I have/dont have. Is it in the beginning menu, or is it a "in" game menu?

2) I am assuming that to get this cheevo, you DO NOT have to collect all of these people in one game.

Thanks.

you can check in the hall of glory...

no you dont need to get them all in one game. you will understand when you check out the hall of glory........


btw, i tried the english and was getting GP every one to three turns. but douglas STILL didnt show up. what a jerk....

[AtmaVegeta]

I'm still missing one myself, Cheops refuses to appear. Once I get him I'll have all the Achievements (I didn't beat the game on Emperor though, skipped from King to Deity).

Going to try tomorrow playing some games on Chieftan. Seriously hate this guy!

[OCDeity]

You DON'T need the specific tech associated with a GP to make them appear; as long as you have one of the prerequisite techs for their specific tech, you still have a very small chance of getting them.

For example, Imhotep's tech is ceremonial burial, but as soon as you get pottery you still have a chance of getting him.

[RayJay]

I think theres a certain degree a randomness to which great person you get

You DON'T need the specific tech associated with a GP to make them appear

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[BGO]

got this today. best chance to get it is play the golden age scenario, using the greeks or the english....

btw you have to get them to show up. steeling them wont get you the achevement.....

[Soulless]

ARGH!!! completed 3 playthroughs on Emperor as English, Arabs, and Greek on Beta Centauri/Golden Age. Still can't get my final 2 GP. except . . .

i let the game go on until around 2450. i have everything built in all my cities and all conquered cities as well. i have built numerous armies with numbers in the 300's. my gold is over 500,000 at this point. units are still in build ques but aren't being produced anywhere! i get my last 2 GP, but it never asks me what i want to do with them. i'm assuming because of a unit limit hardwired into the game. this didn't occur to me, so i finish my domination victory, had the spanish hemmed into Madrid as the final city on the map, and thought that i'm going to get the achievement. DING! nothing. so disappointed. i know that i've asked for hints, but if anyone can remember what conditions they got Gilgamesh/Sargon under that would greatly help.

[Thrallia]

How do you figure out what tech each GP is associated with, and what do you mean by they are associated with it? In every game I've played, I've gotten nearly every single tech, yet I still have almost no GP outside of the thinkers and the explorers now.

Still no great leaders at all, are david and gilgamesh the only two? It still seems to me to be completely random...because I've gotten tons of GP before anyone had their 'tech' and I've not gotten tons of GP that I've researched their tech every game despite getting 10-15 GP every game I play.

[xbman22x]

what you have to do is find out which person you need. find there associated tech and tech jump up to it. then stop tech altogather. focus on culture and you will eventually get that person.

[MOB Mrcharles22]

I just can't get Plato for the life of me. Is anyone else missing Plato?

[eireksten]

I think the one I'm missing must be Solomon...

[se7entee7]

I finished this achv very quickly (without using scenerios), just playing normal Emperor games (no reloading). I'd say it only took about 10 games or less.

I would imagine that it was all luck and nothing that I did specifically (unless kidnapping counts towards it?)

[BGO]

using spies dosnt work. i snatched the one i needrd and still didnt get it....

[BGO]

How do you figure out what tech each GP is associated with, and what do you mean by they are associated with it? In every game I've played, I've gotten nearly every single tech, yet I still have almost no GP outside of the thinkers and the explorers now.

Still no great leaders at all, are david and gilgamesh the only two? It still seems to me to be completely random...because I've gotten tons of GP before anyone had their 'tech' and I've not gotten tons of GP that I've researched their tech every game despite getting 10-15 GP every game I play.

its kind of random. also the other civs can get the person you want before you can. for the the tech (at least on the 360) check the ingame civpedia. to get the achevement, you have to have the dude show up in YOUR city. cant steel them. dont know if it works if you take over the city they are in....

to Soulless: let it ride all the way untill you get it next time........

[Soulless]

to Soulless: let it ride all the way untill you get it next time........

thanks man. just seriously frustrated and i don't have as much time to devote to this game since NCAA came out and Madden comes out soon as well.

[Pudlite]

I just can't get Plato for the life of me. Is anyone else missing Plato?

Yeah, I can't get Plato or Agamemnon. I've gotten David at least 10 times... give me the other great leader!! Very frustrating.

[KrashKrunal]

I guess I was just lucky that in one game I managed to get TWO great leaders.... yes thats two great leaders in one game... unfortunately the second came close to the time that I had won it, so it was pretty much useless

[MOB Mrcharles22]

I still can't get Plato.

[Laelithar]

I have found that GP's seem to appear based on how I am playing as well. ie: if I am focusing alot on science then I get alot of scientist GP's. So perhaps finding out what kind of GP the one you need is and focusing on that area of play could help.

[Pudlite]

Finally got Agamemnon playing the French in Beta Centauri... still no Plato. I've tried only researching pottery, stopping research and going for culture for a GP... no Plato. Last one I need. I don't know how random this is, I seem to get freakin Tippu Sultan every time I play!