Time to add Trophies!

[Magwill]

Over at gametrailers you can now see videos of the new in-game XMB and the trophy system for PSN. They also state that there are tools available for developers to easily add this function to already released games. When looking at the Hall of Glory I bet you can at least link the trophies to those achievements. Optimally we want the achievements that are available in the XBOX 360 version but at least give us some trophy points for what we accomplish in the game.

Also, I am getting seriously annoyed at the rally point of units. Whenever their original path gets blocked, they will start going around the nearest way. This could be a very far way. In most games a unit just cancels its rally point and stops where it was interrupted, and this is how it should be done here as well so that you have the control yourself.

[Sigmakan]

Its time indeed

I just recently posted this over in the Off-Topic 2K discussion.

I'm sure the Firaxis guys realize there is demand for it, but gotta make sure

[Antwerpo]

You beat me in speed. just came down to demand trophy support

[Antwerpo]

Firaxis should try to beat all other game dev's in speed as well. You can get newsposts on game sites that say "Civilization Rev first game to add support for PS3 throphies" but you can't get one for being second Some free advertisement is always welcome I guess.

[MidniteCowboy]

I think trophies would be great for this game. Delurked just to add my voice to the call for trophy support A game like Civ Rev is made for rewarding different play styles, or encouraging victories will each leader, and so on.

[KrashKrunal]

I'm also sure that they can get some help from those working on Bioshock to make it a reality... we already know Bioshock will have them...

[HUNDREDTHMONKEY]

i want a civ xbox face plate for when i beat everyone

[Antwerpo]

Not to be annoying but trophies don't work with civilization

Or to pull a wikoogle You can't release this game before adding trophies. The game will suck so hard without it.

So many of us have PS3 2.4 now. We are dying to show trophies to our friends by our side.

Having your friend actually see your victories is so much better than having to convince them you have.

Please delay the release the rlease of Civ Rev till you added trophies.

Oh wait, it came out and I have it and like it. Whatever! Trophies please!

[2K Elizabeth]

Hey guys,

Civilization Revolution will not support trophies. When we designed the game, before trophies were out, we did not plan on supporting the upcoming feature, and we are not going to add it.

[KrashKrunal]

So I take it there's no chance you'll be releasing an update for it... well thanks for atleast telling us.

[Retro21]

yeah, thanks for the info, better than leaving us in the dark like other companies have done before *cough*EA*cough*.

I take it this means you won't be including in game customisable music? That'd be a shame, as it's the perfect game to listen to albums etc. as there is no great need for the sound effects, plus there is no current bg music.

Btw, on the topic of 2.40, anyone having problems with it? Mine seems ok but I've been hearing a lot of complaining on the down low?

[Elition]

Tough break, everyone.

[Retro21]

can you get in game music on the 360 by the by?

[peacemountain]

Hey guys,

Civilization Revolution will not support trophies. When we designed the game, before trophies were out, we did not plan on supporting the upcoming feature, and we are not going to add it.

nooooooooooooooo!
I'm feeling so blue right now

[lukeb4dunk]

Hey guys,

Civilization Revolution will not support trophies. When we designed the game, before trophies were out, we did not plan on supporting the upcoming feature, and we are not going to add it.

This kind of sucks for the PS3 buyers, eh? To be honest, I feel a bit slighted by this news. I understand that when you all went into development, you knew that you were going to work in achievements for the 360, because they were there. And when you started the PS3 version, well, there were no trophies then. Even though I respect the directness, I don't respect the fact that you all won't even consider working on a patch for trophy support.

I don't want to be one of those guys that goes on about how if you don't do this, I'm not buying your game...but I tell you what, this news is making me reconsider whether or not I should purchase this game at all.

Edit: In fact, there are a few friends of mine on PSN that were just talking about the possible trophies we can get in this game. Now I'm going to have to give them the bad news, as well on some other community sites.

[vrajdeber]

Hey guys,

Civilization Revolution will not support trophies. When we designed the game, before trophies were out, we did not plan on supporting the upcoming feature, and we are not going to add it.

Oh noooooooo

[lukeb4dunk]

You would think that adding Trophy support right now would be a good thing. I mean, there aren't that many games out there, or in the near future that will be offering the support, so this would be a good opportunity to go out there and try to get some of those "Trophy Collectors" that might not have originally thought about getting this game.

Heck, just look at Super Stardust HD. Since it's release, I've rarely seen anyone playing this game, but now that it supports trophies, that's all I see people playing these days. I'm just saying, if 2K comes out and says, "We are going to release a patch later that supports Trophies", I'm sure there will be more people going out there and getting the game, just so they can get even more trophies.

Just saying...

[Matrix49G]

Hey guys,

Civilization Revolution will not support trophies. When we designed the game, before trophies were out, we did not plan on supporting the upcoming feature, and we are not going to add it.

This kind of sucks for the PS3 buyers, eh? To be honest, I feel a bit slighted by this news. I understand that when you all went into development, you knew that you were going to work in achievements for the 360, because they were there. And when you started the PS3 version, well, there were no trophies then. Even though I respect the directness, I don't respect the fact that you all won't even consider working on a patch for trophy support.

I don't want to be one of those guys that goes on about how if you don't do this, I'm not buying your game...but I tell you what, this news is making me reconsider whether or not I should purchase this game at all.

Edit: In fact, there are a few friends of mine on PSN that were just talking about the possible trophies we can get in this game. Now I'm going to have to give them the bad news, as well on some other community sites.

It is very dissapointing. Makes me wonder were your (company) loyalty is, with it's customers, or with your bank account. It's not like you guys never knew about what Sony had planned. Im still going to purchase Civ Revolution, but this desision has made me wonder if you guys deserve my money, in the future. If you guys can't even implement new content to make to game worth playing over and over again, why should I support a company who can't take the time and effort to maintain, and expand its customer base. If this is what I can expect from you guys in the future, consider me a lost customer. I know, im nobody, and what I have to say is meaningless, but just goes to show you big developers only look for profit, before catering to it's customers. Then you wonder why some of the team members disband to form their own gaming company. In house politcs, always a pain.

[PhillyMike101]

It is very dissapointing. Makes me wonder were your (company) loyalty is, with it's customers, or with your bank account. It's not like you guys never knew about what Sony had planned. Im still going to purchase Civ Revolution, but this desision has made me wonder if you guys deserve my money, in the future. If you guys can't even implement new content to make to game worth playing over and over again, why should I support a company who can't take the time and effort to maintain, and expand its customer base. If this is what I can expect from you guys in the future, consider me a lost customer. I know, im nobody, and what I have to say is meaningless, but just goes to show you big developers only look for profit, before catering to it's customers. Then you wonder why some of the team members disband to form their own gaming company. In house politcs, always a pain.

Theres knowing that Sony is planning trophies, then there is the implementing a vague feature with vague tools that isnt out yet. Also, if not having these trophies are that big of a deal to you consumer advocate Nader, then why did you drop a huge load on the PS3?

Its a shame youre willing to write off Firaxis and the 2K team, who both generally put out superb titles, just because they didnt put in a feature that isnt out for said console.

[Edmund0Dantes]

Not sure what the big deal is myself.

CIVRev is still one heck of a good game with or without em.

[Diddyo007]

It is very dissapointing. Makes me wonder were your (company) loyalty is, with it's customers, or with your bank account. It's not like you guys never knew about what Sony had planned. Im still going to purchase Civ Revolution, but this desision has made me wonder if you guys deserve my money, in the future. If you guys can't even implement new content to make to game worth playing over and over again, why should I support a company who can't take the time and effort to maintain, and expand its customer base. If this is what I can expect from you guys in the future, consider me a lost customer. I know, im nobody, and what I have to say is meaningless, but just goes to show you big developers only look for profit, before catering to it's customers. Then you wonder why some of the team members disband to form their own gaming company. In house politcs, always a pain.

Hey, i had to register when i heard the news, and i wanted to say you hit the nail on the head there, i was seriously considering buying this game but after hearing that your not even going to consider implementing this feature, well this has turned me away from the game.

"If you guys can't even implement new content to make to game worth playing over and over again, why should I support a company who can't take the time and effort to maintain, and expand its customer base."

That is the main reason why i will not be going to buy this game, and i know i am not alone with this as there are many gamers out there that want to be able to play this game again and again, but knowing you will not add features that will keep that going is a little upsetting.

I know that after how blunt you came out with your answer to the trophy feature that really couldn't care less for what i had to say but thats ok, ill put my money into a game where the devs work with the gaming community to try there best to please and to keep the game fun and enjoyable.

[Antwerpo]

Tnx for informing us about it Elzabeth. I appreciate that really but must agree with others that it's a shame nobody in the team wants to consider it. Look at Burnout Paradise that team really is pushing the boundaries of customer satisfaction. Not only will the deliver trophies asap, free DLC with very impressive new features that others would sell as an expansion, will make me for sure look at other games of Criterion.

Civ Rev rocks without trophies but it's a bit of a setback as I was preparing myself to collect all trophies

[pauls21]

I just read the post that Civ Rev would not support trophies and think that it is a vary bad move. Trophies add so much to a game. I recently (yesterday) discovered how good Super Stardust HD was solely because of its trophy support. Giving Civ Rev trophies add to the life span of the game and I beg you guys (2K and Firaxis) to please support them.

[Antwerpo]

I just read the first impressions of the new firmware and it seems like the Civ team is making a very bad move by not even considering to support trophies. And I really don't understand how hard it would be to even implement as the trophy system seems like being build for the victories you achieve in Civ Rev.

Elizabeth you should bang on the table, pull Sid's ear, do whatever you can in your power to convince them to reconsider.

read IGN : PS3 Trophy Impressions

I quote

I hope Stardust acts as a wakeup call to a lot of developers. My list of Friends is chockfull of people playing this thing in a way I haven't seen since MGS4 was released.

[Malacath]

It's a shame. Anyone with a 360 knows how achievements can add to the game and make you play the game more. And now the ps3 has it's own achievement system called trophies, I was expecting to eventually be able to earn them with Civ Rev.
The thing is a lot of people will want to make sure games have trophy support before buying them and not having trophy support will put a lot of people off buying Civ Rev.
I've seen quite a few people on my friends list playing Stardust HD and I bet a lot of them only bought the game yesterday just to earn trophies.

[ak416]

Well then.. thats disappointing. I figured if any developer would come forward and give us these new features it would be Firaxis. Will Firaxis allow us to play background music as well? Or were you not expecting that, either? smh.

[KrashKrunal]

Theres knowing that Sony is planning trophies, then there is the implementing a vague feature with vague tools that isnt out yet.

There's also the fact that Sony distributed version 2.4 development packs over a month ago, which means that they've actually had a full month to get use to 'adding trophy support'. So there isn't 'vague' tools, they've been given specific tools.

However with that said, seeing how after a month of having the ability to create these Trophy's they've decided not to, it's obvious that they're not going to reconsider. All I can do is just hope that CivRev 2 has the two most wanted features - Split Screen Multiplayer and Trophy system. With Bioshock having the latter, I don't see why they wont add it to CivRev2, but for me, Split Screen (offline) Multiplayer will be the selling point for the next Civ Rev.

Also, if not having these trophies are that big of a deal to you consumer advocate Nader, then why did you drop a huge load on the PS3?

Having absolutely no option as to whether or not you can get a trophy is different from having an option, but the developers of the game simply choosing not to. If you had bought a PS3, and it's obvious that you haven't (or aren't a core gamer), then you'd have been excited about these features just like the rest of us, and you'd have been just as disappointed.

Oh and FYI, Sony announced that the PS3 would get 'Entitlements' before the PS3 was released, and many hoped that all games would include them when it was release, and didn't realise that some developers would choose not to (for obvious reasons).

Its a shame youre willing to write off Firaxis and the 2K team, who both generally put out superb titles, just because they didnt put in a feature that isnt out for said console.

He's not writing them off, he's saying how he feels. Now I personally have nothing but respect for the firaxis team who did put together a great game. However, for me, I know that once GTAIV/MGS4 and a few other games are patched, my time will be spent replaying them rather than CivRev.

You take a look at the XBOX community, and the first thing that they do is unlock the achievements (well what most people do). As such, not having trophy's for this game, means that the replayability will go down. Just take a look at the number of people that have bought Super Stardust HD just so that they can unlock the trophies, and you'll see what I mean. That game has been released for over a year, yet the moment the release went live, people all over the world were playing (many buying it to play) that game. If CivRev was to release the patch which includes Trophies then it would mean that the many gamers that are currently on the look out for titles that contain trophies, would go and buy this game (especially EU players where it's been released). With that rush of people, the sales of this game would rise, which would give hope for Civ Rev 2, which is something I really want to get since it's hopefully going to have some of the requested features of Civ Rev.

[Phalanx]

I'm curious, I think during the last podcast they mentioned in game achievements. Are these achievments the same or different from the XBOX achievements? So is it possible the game will keep track of achievements regardless of PS3 trophy support?

It's not a deal breaker for me, but I understand for many this is important. I wouldn't mind having some in game objectives to add a little variety.

[Euphoric77]

Being a CIvilization fan from day1, I really had to register and react on this issue.

Please provide me with a reason why there is so little support for the PS3?
Is there actually a working leaderboard? I have not yet been able to locate it, however I haven't been able to play a single online event in a normal fashion. Are there improvements on the way for the PS3?

I am very disappointed to hear there is no backup for the new features the PS3 has since update 2.40. Especially welcome would be a possibility to have your own choice of ingame music, since games last 4 hours more or less.

Also the trophy system provides a boost to really play the game even more , hence having a positive effect on customer loyalty for future releases.

I am sorry to say but currently civ revolution is a disappointment since its designed for multiplayer games, implementation of improvements (ingame chat / music / trophy system ) should really, really be considered.

First priority however should be improvement of the online multiplayer experience which is in any case the core design of the game, if I am correct and momentarily the PS3 version does NOT provide..... No online worldranking and the matching is terrible.

Perhaps someone from 2K could shed some light on this, because I really feel I overpaid for a game that doesn't provide the possibilities it should.

In any case IMO it is a wrong decision not to eagerly support the PS3 version of Civilization, since here is a customer base where the winning of "souls" (new customers new to CIV) might be the basis for succes for future CIV games on this platform.

Please 2K, at least bring a patch with worldranking and ingame music possibilities!!!!!!

[Jason2K]

I realize this is disappointing to some of you, but you have to understand that trophies were never considered for CivRev. We didn't know of their existence until pretty recently, we didn't have tools to implement them, and so on. And while you can say that this was public for a month, keep in mind we've already been out (in Europe) for a month. This game is done!

We are still working on DLC and other cool stuff for CivRev, but a major new feature like Trophies just isn't in the cards. It's great that Criterion plans to add them to Burnout Paradise, they've also committed to spending a full year of extra development time on that game, something we don't have the luxury of doing.

If you look at the current PS3 landscape, you'll see we're not alone here. VERY few games that are already out are going to be adding trophy support. It's not a trivial matter to add this post-release.

If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Sony for not adding Trophy support from day one. If it had been there when we started, or at least were halfway through development, we'd have shipped with it.

I should add that in-game music falls under the same banner. We won't be supporting it (we do support it on 360 however, but that's because it's a required feature of all 360 titles).

[Matrix49G]

Theres knowing that Sony is planning trophies, then there is the implementing a vague feature with vague tools that isnt out yet. Also, if not having these trophies are that big of a deal to you consumer advocate Nader, then why did you drop a huge load on the PS3?

Its a shame youre willing to write off Firaxis and the 2K team, who both generally put out superb titles, just because they didnt put in a feature that isnt out for said console.

I spent money on the PS3, for the same reason you proably got a Xbox360 for... Drumroll please, GAMES!

I have the Civ Rev. demo, which I play pretty often. But when a company/developer has the option of making their games better with updates, weather it be free or not, they should atleast consider it. Take a vote on what the consumer wants.

Is it that much of a strain on your resources to add something to the game. I doubt it, just sounds like lazyness to me. How many man hours would it take to add it? Atleast give vaild reasons why it's not an option, just saying you wont add it, sounds to me we are busy counting your money.

Idea you guys write the code, get your fans/customers to design the artwork.

But I doubt it will happen.

It's not a shame for me to write off the developers, if I see comany 'a' taking the effort on making a better product, vs company 'b' just giving you the basics for the same price, which would you choose? But I guess I already know which one you would go with. Maybe you have mountains of cash to spend on every game everymade. I unfortuntaly don't have that option, so in turn I have to determine which game/developer desevers my hard earned money.

[2K Elizabeth]

I have the Civ Rev. demo, which I play pretty often. But when a company/developer has the option of making their games better with updates, weather it be free or not, they should atleast consider it. Take a vote on what the consumer wants.

Is it that much of a strain on your resources to add something to the game. I doubt it, just sounds like lazyness to me. How many man hours would it take to add it? Atleast give vaild reasons why it's not an option, just saying you wont add it, sounds to me we are busy counting your money.

hey there,

as jason and i have both said, firaxis DID consider adding trophies, however, sony revealed the fact they would be added to games too late in our development for us to realistically add them in.

this is NOT laziness on our part. creating, coding, testing a new element, no matter how small it may seem to you, takes hundreds of hours of many different people. and in a studio, those hours are allocated months in advance. in fact, i think that firaxis employees probably have a good idea of everything they will be working on, more or less, for the next 18ish months. this is not something that you can just grab a developer, set him in front of a computer, and have him bang out in a week.

i'm sorry for the disappointment, but this just can't be done. and it's not because we don't want to give them to you -- we're making some awesome DLC for the game -- we just didn't know about trophies in enough time to fit it into the schedule.

[Matrix49G]

..........................................

I should add that in-game music falls under the same banner. We won't be supporting it (we do support it on 360 however, but that's because it's a required feature of all 360 titles).

It's required by microsoft, Sony don't force you to do it. Sounds funny.

Last I checked, Micrsoft don't buy your games, people like myself do. And we would greatly appreciate if these option were added at a future date, not a future game.

[Imperial Dane]

Last I checked, Micrsoft don't buy your games

Noo.. but it's their machine and they can pretty much decide what it needs, and if they feel that x feature must be in every game for some reason.. i am pretty sure they can get it done, i mean just look at games for windows, and that is voluntary, while the xbox thing isn't.

[Matrix49G]

Noo.. but it's their machine and they can pretty much decide what it needs, and if they feel that x feature must be in every game for some reason.. i am pretty sure they can get it done, i mean just look at games for windows, and that is voluntary, while the xbox thing isn't.

I've said what I had to say, fine. Im finished just dont expect me to see 2k/firaxis as a copmany thats deserves my bussiness, maybe in the future new management can take this company to even greater heights, but that time is not now. I wish you guys good luck in the future, but you guys, and I are not in agreence. I hope in the future you guys can plan/see more into the future, not only live in the present, and prehaps have an even greater eara on making some great quiality games, for all consoles with more uniformanity.


Digital Extremes a thought maybe they could do it for you???

[lukeb4dunk]

I understand that the game has already been completed and it would several man hours to do. I also understand that they are probably already hard at work on Civ 4 and what not. It's just the idea that the game just came out in Europe and will soon be out in the US, and they won't even consider implementing a trophy system in the near future, when they fully supported 360 achievements.

If you look at some of the achievements for the 360 like: win with certain civilizations, building wonders, find certain artifacts, winning on the "Deity" level, win with all types of victories, unlock all "Great Persons", win the game by the year 1000 on king difficulty, win with only 1 city and so forth (there are a whopping 50 achievements), I feel a little slighted that they won't even add these into the PS3 version, or even consider doing so. So while the other console gets all this for the same price that the PS3 players will be paying, it just doesn't seem all that right.

I know, I know. We have been playing without trophies all this time and had to pay the same price then...The fact is, now we do have trophies and the game just came out/will soon be out (for the US) and they aren't even considering it. That is where I have a problem.

[Euphoric77]

Although I am not someone with in depth coding knowledge or so, it is quite hard for me to grasp the difficulty of implementing in game music?????

Anyway very disappointing statements, I am basically interpreting 2K's answers as : the game is done, we won't spend another minute on after sales service.

Please do find the time to provide the PS3 version with an actual online ranking system.. as that may increase the replay value of the game quite a bit.

[2K Elizabeth]

again, i'd like to reiterate we DID consider implementing trophies. we made the decision, in the end, not to.

also, we are continuing to support this game on PS3. we've got some great content coming post launch.

[Kevling]

Bug fixes are one thing, but adding these extra features for free post-launch is very rare. Infinity Ward aren't doing it. Insomniac aren't doing it. Firaxis are not alone in this.

Not having these features does not suddenly make the game broken or unplayable. It's just unfortunate timing that the tools became available too late in the development of the game. The thing is, there is nothing to stop you working on all the 360 achievements on the PS3, if you want those challenges, all that will happen is that you won't get a little ding and a message in the corner of the screen.

It's not the end of the world.

[lukeb4dunk]

again, i'd like to reiterate we DID consider implementing trophies. we made the decision, in the end, not to.

also, we are continuing to support this game on PS3. we've got some great content coming post launch.

Well I did consider buying this game, but in the end, I decided not to.

And you can say what you want, but I'm not alone with this decision. It's a shame that with various posts on this board and others around the net asking for trophies in this game, you all choose not to listen to your customer and not add it.