Conflicting information in previews on the size of "Empire City"

[ArchangelX]

I have read several of the latest previews and one of the things that I noticed was that Gamereactor the Scandinavian gamers magazine have printed that the city in "Mafia 2" will be about 70% the size of "Lost Heaven",
though on the other hand OPM and Gameradar both say that it will be about twize the size ?

The size of the playable area, driving etc means alot to me, and I hoped that it would expand from the original and at least not reverse in size.
On the other hand the graphics looks so good that it is understandable if it is the case but I just wanted to say that there is conflicting information on it.

[Don Memphis]

I have read in czech LEVEL magazine, that Emire City will have 4x4 kilometres (16 square kilometres = 2x bigger than Lost Heaven city) with 20 different districts...

[mak4bd]

I have read in czech LEVEL magazine, that Emire City will have 4x4 kilometres (16 square kilometres = 2x bigger than Lost Heaven city) with 20 different districts...

can u plz scan and post or mail me at: mak4bd@yahoo.com

[KuKuruzas]

I think it says twice as bigger but without countryside

[RaptorM60]

Three sources (LEVEL, PSM, EGM) says Empire City is double size of Lost Heaven, one (GameReactor) says Empire City takes 70% of Lost Heaven area ... absolutley clear situation for me :-)

[2K Elizabeth]

Empire City is 10 square miles!

[Pantsless]

omg.. nice

[mak4bd]

Empire City is 10 square miles!

as 2k forums's admin..can i assume that the info u provided is official and 100 legit?

[2K Elizabeth]

as 2k forums's admin..can i assume that the info u provided is official and 100 legit?

as 2K's Community Manager also. i assure you, my information is not wrong. i triple checked.

it's 10 square miles!

[Don Memphis]

it's 10 square miles!

10 square miles ~ 16 square kilometres, thanks for confirmation!

EDIT: Or not? Conversion of square units itsn't my forte...

[sosaited]

Empire City is 10 square miles!

Thanks alot for sharing this with us. Just one more confirmation, JUST the city is 10miles? or Country side Included (i.e the whole playable area in Mafia II) is 10miles?

[Pantsless]

OH come on.. what difference does it make? 10k square miles is friggin enough.
Thx for the info btw

[sosaited]

OH come on.. what difference does it make? 10k square miles is friggin enough.
Thx for the info btw

You'r dead right its friggin enough, thats why I asked If country side was included, cause any 10miles already will be hard to get "familiar" with

[mak4bd]

i had the map of mafia memorised. i managed to move around without looking at the map like real world

[ArchangelX]

Thats great thanks for confirming.

How big is "Lost Heaven" (only the city excluding the countryside) in comparison I have forgot , just want to visualize

[RaptorM60]

You are more than right with 16 square kilometers Memphis (wich is just twice a size of Lost Heaven) :-). And ... I think I can add for everyone that Empire City is devided into 20 different quarters, each with its own architectonic style - some are more industrial, while the other ones are typical urban areas such as blocks of flats, city centre with skyscrapers, or even suburb areas (with lots of back-streets, stairways ...).

For now, we know three quarters by name: Little Italy (what a hell, sounds more than familiar ) ), Sand Island (described suburb area) and Millville (industrial zone - tons of nipping iron, old factories etc.).

What's next in Empire City? Golden Gate, Brooklyn's bridge, big foundry, observatory, fastfoods, restaurants, coffee-bars, shops selling clothes - and that everything you can enter, use, buy, shoot into pieces ... whatever :-)

[ArchangelX]

Sounds great, I bet it will be very diverse but in a good way.
I loved the way it was layed out in "Lost Heaven" and with 20 different quarters

[Tetref]

i had the map of mafia memorised. i managed to move around without looking at the map like real world

same for me

btw: like i said in another topic..i'm really worried abot the mix of San Francisco and New York and i look forward for more "city screens"
Everybody who knows these two cities should agree with me it's like mixing salt and sugar...hope it would be right combination .)

[Pantsless]

Im sure the devs know what they're doin concerning this matter... You realize they have experience and I doubt they'll create a lame city

[mak4bd]

from the screenshots...the city looks nice and honestly speaking quite Complete.. i am guessing how long they have been working on MAFIA2!! the city looks amazing and the details of everything is also eye catching. Hope they manage to combine everything better than the previous game.

[Pantsless]

Hope they manage to combine everything better than the previous game.

No need, the first one was just perfect

[Tetref]

Lost Heaven is certainly designed very good..mix of NYC and Chicago

[Lost Heaven City]

as 2K's Community Manager also. i assure you, my information is not wrong. i triple checked.

it's 10 square miles!

10 square miles = 25 km²
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San Andreas = 35 km²
So it means that the Mafia 2's game area (Empire City) will be about 2/3 of San Andreas which is absolutely GIANT !

[Tetref]

10x 1,6km = 16 km2

[Lost Heaven City]

It is in SQUARE so there is a biggest multiplicater...

I did that converting on several websites SQUARE MILES 2 SQUARE KILOMETERS and the result was always: 10 mi² = 25 km²

So I'm right.

[Tetref]

citation from czech magazine Level:
the size of the city is exactly 4x4km so it's double bigger than Lost Heaven from Mafia 1

[Mr Crazy]

citation from czech magazine Level:
the size of the city is exactly 4x4km so it's double bigger than Lost Heaven from Mafia 1

Yeah, Tetref is right. One question - how could you read the Level mag, if you´re from NY?

[Tetref]

i explained that in topic "Nationality stuff" ;o)

[Thomas Angelo]

Lost City was 16 km2, Empire city will be 30-38 km2 for sure... New York is about 200 km2? But it will be same better

[ArchangelX]

Well "Lost Heaven" must have been around 8 km2 since Tetref quoted from the magazine that "Empire City" will be 4 x 4 = 16 km2 which would be twize the size 0f "Lost Heaven".

[Thomas Angelo]

Oh sry you are right, I've read it right now

[ArchangelX]

Hehe thats cool, I was confused about it too, thats why I made the topic, but I am satisfied with how it looks to turn out.

[DoHo]

has a countryside area been confirmed/denied for Mafia II? Because if Mafia II is 70% of Mafia ...but it is all city... that will be far bigger in terms of actual driving space.

[Fugue]

hope there will be countryside, "A trip to the country" is still my favourite Mafia 1 mission & would be nice to see something like that in M2.

[ArchangelX]

As far as I know they have only commented on the size of Empire City which of course leaves the opertunity that we still might get a countryside.

All screens so far though hint only at an urban setting.

I hope we get one too of course, but I won`t mind if we "only" get a city now that I know it will be twize the size of Lost Heaven.

Though "A trip to the countryside" is easily one of the most atmospheric missions in Mafia

[Celestial Spirit]

preview from Gamemag.ru, 15.04.2008 http://www.gamemag.ru/news/24986/
russian site => russian language

use any translator Russian --> English

Certainly there is no new global information, but anyway, this is a new preview

[oritxupolite]

The three familys of the Mafia in Empire City

Clemente, Vinci and Falconi.

[DoHo]

As far as I know they have only commented on the size of Empire City which of course leaves the opertunity that we still might get a countryside.

All screens so far though hint only at an urban setting.

I hope we get one too of course, but I won`t mind if we "only" get a city now that I know it will be twize the size of Lost Heaven.

Though "A trip to the countryside" is easily one of the most atmospheric missions in Mafia

Yes, those countryside missions were quite fun. It was great to get some scenery for a change, though the best parts were easily set in the city itself.

[just-whatever]

preview from Gamemag.ru, 15.04.2008 http://www.gamemag.ru/news/24986/
russian site => russian language

use any translator Russian --> English

Certainly there is no new global information, but anyway, this is a new preview

There is no new information, actually. All the information was taken from the Vavra's interview, posted by Thomas Angelo in this thread.

[ArchangelX]

Yes, those countryside missions were quite fun. It was great to get some scenery for a change, though the best parts were easily set in the city itself.

Yes for sure I agree, the city is one of the most important characters in both games.