The fears we all share.

[Pinky_Powers]

Dear BioShock team,

I am confident you are aware of this gross worry hung there in many of our hearts, a worry only amplified by the sad announcement made revealing that the primary development for this title is indeed focusing on that bastardized machine; the Xbox 360.

Now I do like the 360, it is a powerful consol and much good has and will come from it. But if history has taught us anything, it is almost always a depraved and perverted omen when a developer jacks-off to the Cash-Cow consol but sends naught but wilted flowers to the PC fans.

You promised PC players a good game. Our tummies will not satisfy with a half-as$ed Consol-to-PC port, yet we have heard very little, and indeed seen even less, of your progress on the PC. From what I can tell, nearly all the videos (if not the whole of them) have been of the 360 game.

This team deserves the benefit of the doubt, and I have to say, BioShock does look like the game I’ve been waiting for. However, from experience, I cannot shake this haunting voice of warn telling me to expect a plague of instabilities, graphics that fall much short of the standard you set for the 360, and such a straight port that the only options in the options menu will be to set the resolution I want to play at.

The PC community is huddled together outside your door whilst the rain and the chilled night feed us spoonfuls of pneumonia. We have come this night for some reassurances. We wish to know that this love affair with the slut consol is only just that. We wish to know that you have not truly left us, and that we can expect more than just your second best and bug-ridden scraps from the table. We wish to know that you will give the PC version the attention it needs to really shine out, that it won’t get left to the last minuet and then hastily patched together and thrown into a box on the shelves.

These are the fears we all share.

[the_bUg]

Dear BioShock team,

I am confident you are aware of this gross worry hung there in many of our hearts, a worry only amplified by the sad announcement made revealing that the primary development for this title is indeed focusing on that bastardized machine; the Xbox 360.

Now I do like the 360, it is a powerful consol and much good has and will come from it. But if history has taught us anything, it is almost always a depraved and perverted omen when a developer jacks-off to the Cash-Cow consol but sends naught but wilted flowers to the PC fans.

You promised PC players a good game. Our tummies will not satisfy with a half-as$ed Consol-to-PC port, yet we have heard very little, and indeed seen even less, of your progress on the PC. From what I can tell, nearly all the videos (if not the whole of them) have been of the 360 game.

This team deserves the benefit of the doubt, and I have to say, BioShock does look like the game I’ve been waiting for. However, from experience, I cannot shake this haunting voice of warn telling me to expect a plague of instabilities, graphics that fall much short of the standard you set for the 360, and such a straight port that the only options in the options menu will be to set the resolution I want to play at.

The PC community is huddled together outside your door whilst the rain and the chilled night feed us spoonfuls of pneumonia. We have come this night for some reassurances. We wish to know that this love affair with the slut consol is only just that. We wish to know that you have not truly left us, and that we can expect more than just your second best and bug-ridden scraps from the table. We wish to know that you will give the PC version the attention it needs to really shine out, that it won’t get left to the last minuet and then hastily patched together and thrown into a box on the shelves.

These are the fears we all share.

I'm sorry, but posts like this absolutely sicken me. Developers do not have a "duty" to players on a certain platform, and this attitude of entitlement is simply ridiculous. As has always been the case, the developers will make the game with the vision and design that they choose with nary a thought of you or your pc centric kind.

It has been mentioned that this game is being simultaneously developed for PC and 360 and neither one is being lent more creedance, as it should be. If you actually want a serious reply from the developers regarding your concerns, how about voicing them in reasonable non-sensationalistic manner?

Would they really respond to a thread such as this simply to allay YOUR fears and risk validating your negative point of view on over half of their targeted customers and risk allienating them in the process?

I vote this thread be locked...

oh, and pwnt!

[Da Bubs]

I'm sorry, but posts like this absolutely sicken me. Developers do not have a "duty" to players on a certain platform, and this attitude of entitlement is simply ridiculous.

they dont have a duty to anyone really, that is one of the points of Atlas Shrugged, it comes up sometime after John Galt's 80 page monologue if I remember right.

I vote this thread be locked...

I second that, I too find this disgusting.

[Pinky_Powers]

Well, I guess I would be “pwnt”, if the both of you had not revealed a full lack of knowledge on the subject. All you have for yourselves is a fiery hate for PC gamers, which gives your posts passion, but lends nothing to the details of the matter at hand.

If you had kept up with the press releases, you would know that when I said “a worry only amplified by the sad announcement made revealing that the primary development for this title is indeed focusing on that bastardized machine; the Xbox 360.” I was referring to an actual statement made by Irrational, not simply some imaginary flatulence.

Also, it is not my forcefully installed duty that allows for betrayal. It is the Gaming Industry, and indeed, Irrational Games, that have forged this Oath of Duty to the Gamers. It is they who allude to the PC gamers, who made System Shock 2 so successful, that they will be remembered, and then state to the press that they hare focusing most of their efforts on the Xbox version.

You can call this thread “disgusting”, but it is a genuine plea born on the burnt back of a man who has seen too many franchises, created and carried to glory by the PC, only to be sold out to the consol and poorly ported back over to the PC.

[Da Bubs]

if the both of you had not revealed a full lack of knowledge on the subject. All you have for yourselves is a fiery hate for PC gamers, which gives your posts passion, but lends nothing to the details of the matter at hand.

let me ask you something, way back in 1995 what was it I was playing C&C on? How about Operation Flashpoint? Do you think that I played RTW on my xbox 360? Can you tell me what I was playing a copy of X-Com on just half an hour ago? Feiry hate for PC Gamers, our posts didnt have anything at all to do with PC Gamers, they really didnt have anything to do with video games, they were about your atitude.

Also, it is not my forcefully installed duty that allows for betrayal. It is the Gaming Industry, and indeed, Irrational Games, that have forged this Oath of Duty to the Gamers. It is they who allude to the PC gamers, who made System Shock 2 so successful, that they will be remembered, and then state to the press that they hare focusing most of their efforts on the Xbox version.

yeah that atitude. Irrationals only duty is to themselves, the rational for making a great game is that it will sell well and make them piles of money and that they fell good about making a great piece of art. Us gamers really dont have anything to do with it, to quote Atlas Shrugged "The public be damned."

If you had kept up with the press releases, you would know that when I said “a worry only amplified by the sad announcement made revealing that the primary development for this title is indeed focusing on that bastardized machine; the Xbox 360.” I was referring to an actual statement made by Irrational, not simply some imaginary flatulence.

Believe it or not I actually was aware of that, furthermore you've never actually played anything on a 360 have you?

You can call this thread “disgusting”, but it is a genuine plea born on the burnt back of a man who has seen too many franchises, created and carried to glory by the PC, only to be sold out to the consol and poorly ported back over to the PC.

Alow me to reiterate, Our problem is with your atitiude, I dont think anyone has a problem with your concern over the PC version.

[CrashT]

Your concerns are more likely to be taken seriously if you try to refrain from sounding like an overly melodramatic twelve year old. Did your post really call for masturbation references?

And please don't presume to speak for "all" of us, I've been a PC gamer for over ten years, before that I was an Atari ST Gamer (Probably one of about five, lol). I've also been a console gamer for the last five years or so, yet the majority of my games and gaming time is PC-centric.

When any multi-platform title is made, I get concerned. I personally think any game developed should be built around the strength of a single platform, and there are numerous examples of games that bare this out. However the market for a game like Bioshock on the PC, though not insignificant, is simply not large enough to make the development of Bioshock profitable. If Irrational have any inate duty, it is to stay in business, and if Bioshock were to be made solely for the PC it's unlikely that would happen.

Games like Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six, and other titles that have made recent Console-centric "comebacks" might, have first been successful on the PC, but at this time the size of the console market is far outstripping the core PC market (Exclusing casual games and MMORPGs etc); that doesn't even consider the impact of piracy on PC gaming.

There are going to be elements of Bioshock that are not going to sit well with a PC-centric gamer like myself (Even though I'm likely to get Bioshock on both PC and 360), but if it wasn't for the multi-platform development a game of the scale and ambition of Bioshock would have been very difficult to get made (Not impossible, as pure-PC titles like Supreme Commander and Crysis show), but difficult, especially for a small formerly indie developer like Irrational Games. In the end if it wasn't for the 360 it's unlikely Bioshock would have gotten this far in the state it has. It's not a great situation, but it's either this or no Bioshock at all, you choose.

[Freddo]

These are the fears we all share.

I don't share it, and I'm buying the PC version of the game.

[somecut8]

Dear BioShock team,

I am confident you are aware of this gross worry hung there in many of our hearts, a worry only amplified by the sad announcement made revealing that the primary development for this title is indeed focusing on that bastardized machine; the Xbox 360.

Now I do like the 360, it is a powerful consol and much good has and will come from it. But if history has taught us anything, it is almost always a depraved and perverted omen when a developer jacks-off to the Cash-Cow consol but sends naught but wilted flowers to the PC fans.

You promised PC players a good game. Our tummies will not satisfy with a half-as$ed Consol-to-PC port, yet we have heard very little, and indeed seen even less, of your progress on the PC. From what I can tell, nearly all the videos (if not the whole of them) have been of the 360 game.

This team deserves the benefit of the doubt, and I have to say, BioShock does look like the game I’ve been waiting for. However, from experience, I cannot shake this haunting voice of warn telling me to expect a plague of instabilities, graphics that fall much short of the standard you set for the 360, and such a straight port that the only options in the options menu will be to set the resolution I want to play at.

The PC community is huddled together outside your door whilst the rain and the chilled night feed us spoonfuls of pneumonia. We have come this night for some reassurances. We wish to know that this love affair with the slut consol is only just that. We wish to know that you have not truly left us, and that we can expect more than just your second best and bug-ridden scraps from the table. We wish to know that you will give the PC version the attention it needs to really shine out, that it won’t get left to the last minuet and then hastily patched together and thrown into a box on the shelves.

These are the fears we all share.

I can't help but notice, but I like the style you wrote your rant in.

[Pinky_Powers]

Jesus guys, it seems so filthy that you should take such a heat for me based upon an attitude which, if you read my posts, is so far removed from Flame-bate it almost appears out of place on the net.

This thread was built with the simple intent of expressing a very true, very none-judgmental concern which I know a great many of us share. I honestly did not think there would dwell here so many who could not care less about this, but that is neither here nor there.

I’ve held off from very many posts like this one on the other BioShock forums, waiting for this official one to open, because I hope for it to be seen by the right people. There honestly was no reason for any of you to come in here and trash it, whether you agreed with it or not. And my use of “us all” and “we all” were far from an absolute reality, and not a one of you needed to clear up the fact that I do not hold the voice of all people everywhere. Even if I said that I did, no one would have believed it and you still could have saved yourselves the effort.

I say it again, “Jesus guys”, read my bloody posts, none of this was of a mean spirit, but it is almost an entertainment how quickly some of you took this as a proclamation of some holy war. Just read my posts clearly, they are harmless to anyone and everyone.

If we put this in perspective, this “thing” which some of you were so eager to stand in opposition to, could read out like this:

Me: I for one want Irrational Games to make the PC version of BioShock just as good as the Xbox360 version. I think they owe it to us.

Henry: I disagree with this whole idea!

Joe: I think you sound like a twelve year-old and your attitude sucks!

Now, let’s face facts; on a technical level they don’t owe anyone anything, but I believe, and every game developer in the world spouts these same sentiments from time to time, that they DO owe it to those who buy their products to make quality games. What a fool I’d be not to call them on it.

And I have done just that. My first post yet holds the summarization of my whole hope on the matter. And I am sorry if it sounded like a kid wrote it, or if my desire for the two main iterations of this title to share a like-quality grew from an “attitude” that some of you simply could not abide. I suppose there are some things I will never understand.

[CharlesNPG]

First off Pinky, is you can't blame them for being heated about this. From the casual eyes of a poster or forum reader... your comments come off a little one sided. Like a King demanding credence in another King's court. Just not gonna happen!

Second, come-on guys' he is just a loyal fan wanting to ensure that his side doesn't get less attention. And he has every right to his opinion and worries just as we do. I won't name names but there is one game that did suffer the console-to-pc port problem... Star Trek Legacy.

Lets just remember that we all are fans of this product, and that we all want it to be the best. But if theirs something I Know about Irrational Games, is they don't disappoint (SWAT, System Shock 1&2, Freedom Force)

[Da Bubs]

I for one want Irrational Games to make the PC version of BioShock just as good as the Xbox360 version. I think they owe it to us.

Now that right there is a perfectly reasonable statment, if you had said it like that instead of being melodramatic and whiney, throw in the fact that you presumed to speak for all of us was very insulting. there wouldnt have been a problem if you had simple said it like that

Joe: I think you sound like a twelve year-old and your attitude sucks!

I honestly would have thought you were twelve if you hadnt used the word "pneumonia."

I say it again, “Jesus guys”, read my bloody posts, none of this was of a mean spirit, but it is almost an entertainment how quickly some of you took this as a proclamation of some holy war. Just read my posts clearly, they are harmless to anyone and everyone.

if you take a step back and read your own posts I think you will realize the problem. And practice what you preach.

I have another point

All you have for yourselves is a fiery hate for PC gamers, which gives your posts passion, but lends nothing to the details of the matter at hand.

a worry only amplified by the sad announcement made revealing that the primary development for this title is indeed focusing on that bastardized machine; the Xbox 360

does anyone else see the hypocrisy in that?

one further point, you argument is based on a logic fallacy, your original post appeals to pity and that is basiclly it.

[witch]

This is a great development team and I'm sure they won't let either verison suck. From their track record your fears are pretty unfounded.

[Pinky_Powers]

There is no hypocrisy when one makes such comments as "Now I do like the 360, it is a powerful consol and much good has and will come from it". If a person makes clear he does not truly disdain something, he is free to use harsh words like "bastardized" in order to get the full feeling across.

To answer a question from earlier; yes, I have played quite a few games on the 360. I love Gears of War and Dead Rising is just about the greatest thing in all the world. This new XBox is wonderful.

The feeling that needed to come across at the onset of my post, however, was one of great frustration. I needed to spit on the XBox and then clean it up in the next paragraph. The sickly nature, of favoring one device over the other and yet technically developing for both, had to be shown. Games like Rainbow Six Vegas and Splinter Cell DA are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

When I say you need to re-read my first post, I mean to read it all as one complete context. Most of your issues with it are things that I clear up in some other paragraph. When I go too far in one direction I level it out somewhere else. This is only right and good when you strive to make a strong point.

As for style.... I pray to God you learn not to let something like that bother you so much. The only style which should be shunned and scolded is that of consistently bad grammar. I don't think I suffer from that, but who knows.

I think the point I am still greatly confused over is: Why were so many of you upset over this. If anything some Game Developer should have come on the forum and fell into some diatribe over how much they DON'T owe me and will do whatever they want with their games. I simply don't see how me addressing the BioShock team can be contrived as "a King demanding credence in another King's court" especially as it concerns the forum members and not 2K or Irrational.

[Pinky_Powers]

This is a great development team and I'm sure they won't let either verison suck. From their track record your fears are pretty unfounded.

I agree that they are a great company, and I do have a level of faith in them. But on the other hand, with all the issues brought up here, there is certainly foundation for the fear. And as long I had the opportunity to speak with a voice and in a place they were likely to notice, I feel it was important that I try to move them to some degree. ...just on the off chance these kinds of thoughts had never even neared their orbit.

[Da Bubs]

There is no hypocrisy when one makes such comments as "Now I do like the 360, it is a powerful consol and much good has and will come from it". If a person makes clear he does not truly disdain something, he is free to use harsh words like "bastardized" in order to get the full feeling across.

you missed my point, I should have been more clear, the hypocrisy comes from the fact you accuse me of hating pc gamers and then say something that implies that you hate console gamers

I think the point I am still greatly confused over is: Why were so many of you upset over this.

Like I have said before, I dont have a problem with your basic point, your absolutly right that the pc version shouldnt suck. problem is that the manner you carried it out personally offendend me and as far as I can tell other people. By being whiney and melodramitic and posting in the manner that you did you implied that we are all whiney and melodramatic. with me at least you really hit a nerve.

I have some advice for you pinky, weather you take it or not is up to you. dont reply now, wait till tomorrow, sleep on it.

[Pinky_Powers]

I should say now, I am sorry for assuming you were just PC hating. At the time, it was the only thing that made sense.

-~::Edit::~-

Oops, I failed to take your advice.