I remember in Civ 4 that if you didn't open borders with another civ they would get ticked off. I usually refuse it in Civ 5, with no apparent negative effects. Is there some positive effect of which I am unaware?
I remember in Civ 4 that if you didn't open borders with another civ they would get ticked off. I usually refuse it in Civ 5, with no apparent negative effects. Is there some positive effect of which I am unaware?
The only positive to giving open borders is if you sell open borders (usually early game where you don't have huge gold generation).
Past that there is no point in opening your borders to anyone as all it will mean is the very likely possibility of having units crossing your borders and blocking your roads so civilian units cannot pass them. as civilian units cannot even move through friendly units that are not yours even if they are in your borders.
Or even worse, having a swarm of units in your territory making it hard for even your military units to pass.
Yes it helps ease diplomatic tension with people who you are not at war with and also wish to maintain trade agreements for resources. During times of heavy denouncing, as well the standard exploration benefits. It will also indicate their attitudes towards you as a civilization.
No, I don't think this is true. Afaik, there are absolutely no diplomatic bonus or penalty from accepting or denying an Open Borders agreement, even if the in-game text when they ask for it would seem to indicate this.Originally Posted by RazorUK
Of course there can be indirect consequences of AI choosing to DoW you if they don't have any other neighbours and you don't let them pass through your territory (since the notion of not DoW'ing anybody doesn't exist for the AI).
This maybe correct, and have no evidence to disregard it either direction but generally speaking I would say it does seem to help maintain positive diplomatic gameplay based upon the gifts offered according to prolonged deals which increase overall attitude between yourself and the AI playersthere are absolutely no diplomatic bonus or penalty from accepting or denying an Open Borders agreement, even if the in-game text when they ask for it would seem to indicate this.
I have never seen a diplomatic bonus for having open borders, it certainly isn't mentioned in the why they like or hate you box and i have managed to stay equally friendly with civs while refusing all open borders once i have enough gold to support myself and the small amount of gold from selling open borders if far outweighed by the hassle of having swarms of other civs units all over my territory, as i have when i used to actually give access a lot.
It might be, but I don't think it's so - it might also just be an artifact of the Civs that ask you for Open Borders are also the ones that want to trade with you? I frequently decline Open Borders agreement and I haven't noticed any direct correlation between this and general AI relationships - apart from the above mentioned odd cases where you trap AI in a corner, which will be likely to make them DoW you because DoW'ing a friend is better than not DoW'ing anybody in AI optics.
It must carry some weight I often play as England on world map (zoomed versions) of the mediterranean, etc. Now when I play in this manner I have a unwritten rule with myself that I cannot expand beyond the British Isle's. Therefore require trade of resources in order to survive.
Over the time doing this, I have discovered that early doors open borders on the discussion table often only generates open borders in return. And in some case they request gold from me as well.
It shows in the history UI as we traded recently as you maintain the deal. Which naturally is a positive action. And as alcibiades mention other textual feedback such as "this deal has helped to strengthen our relationship" The longer the deal is maintained the amount the AI will provide for simply open borders alone when its constant increases.
This of course is not valid proof that open borders was the result of the better offer since other factors take place in between hand (example i signed a friendship declaration with a friend) But, There's no denying that open borders increase's an AI attitude towards your civilization in my experience.
I think i remember something about this, with the release of G&K's didn't they state somewhere that you would no longer be penalised by the AI for keeping your borders closed. It used to be the case that you would take a slight hit for keeping your borders closed, but i am pretty sure it isn't the case any more.
I will try to find it again.
Yea would be nice to know for sure, if you can find it again thanks.
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