Seriously? was/is Civ 5 made by noobs?

[Ruvier]

Is it really? Honestly, no joke here, was/is Civ 5 made by noobs? Did Firaxis didnt choose the Civ 4 or Civ 3 team for making Civ 5? I dont really understand it but I think this game was made by 5 years old kids and then handed over to 6 years old kids (not a lot of improvement there)

Why? ( I REALLY hope Firaxis or 2K is reading this ) Here is why, YOU, YES YOU, DESTROYED COMPLETELY AND WITHOUT MERCY a franchise that was the epicenter of turn-based strategy god games. I remember playing countless hours to Civ 3 and Civ 4 and now you give me this douche bag filled with bugs, errors and incomplete gameplay Civ 5? What the hell is wrong with you? One was expecting Religion and Espionage since Civ V ,not the expansion! then there is the animation movement in multiplayer...Who the hell told you to remove it?! HUH? Feedback from who exactly?! And OK, you removed it and everyone would say "ok, they will notice that mistake and fix it in a couple of weeks, or 2 months at most........but NO! It took you around 2 years!! 2 YEARS!? and even afterwards those 2 YEARS the game is still full with crashes, bugs, bad multiplayer connectivity and experience...honestly I can only guess that you gave this amazing franchise to some kids and told them "make it as you want!It will rock anyway" but what you did was destroy it completely.

So here is my brainstorm idea for you corporative greedy b***rds to fix this BIG issue:

1. Fix all this bugs, ALL! the bugs that CIV V has (not the expansion, I forgive that one as it is going to be released in a couple of days)
2. Hire a TESTING team outside of your little closed minded corporation so they REALLY test the game before any patch/expansion release, that way if you find anything bad you can fix it before releasing it and give us CUSTOMERS (you know the people that pay you) a well received product/update.
3. FIRE the director of this game project or whomever is in charge.
4. The expansion Gods and Kings shouldnt be priced at $30dlls considering that YOU havent fixed any of this, it should cost $10 or $15 at MOST ONLY if you want to recover your customers trust AND ONLY if the expansion fixes most of Civ V issues.
5. All of this should all be done in 3 months time (put your people and hire temporarily some more to make this done)
6. If you are not going to do any of the previous ideas/options, then do the following. By the end of this year release a perfected, minor bugged-crashing, Civilization 6 game with the same requirements as Civ V or Civ 4 for the better and that could restore a litttttttttttttttttle bit of the ex-loyal customers that have already left you.
7. If again, you do not pay attention to the previous options, then do not be angry if people download your game for free as they are acquiring it for the price it deserves, NOTHING.

Otherwise NOBODY is going to buy any civilization game and if your really care for your customers, hire more people, get rid of the bugs, send some gift to the people that bought Civ V since a long time ago and apoplogize for the BIG ENORMOUS mistake you have done.

DO NOT consider this as an insult to you or your company consider this as a HARSH but FRIENDLY advice as to what you have to do to fix what you have done, think about it and if you dont care just post it very big in the civilization 5 webpage and thats it! Just say "We dont care for you customers, we just wanted your money idiots! LOL!"

Sincerely,
An angry and now ex-loyal fan of Civilization.

[Gomer_Pyle]

I gather you wont get G/K's then?

There is sadly no point in telling this forum about the issues with this game when the noobs as you call them dont read the forums.

[stethnorun]

Hehehehe. Good, goooooooood. I can feel your anger!

[codekiddy]

If you don't like the game there are other TBS games as well, ie. shogun Total war

[Guelph]

2. Hire a TESTING team
3. FIRE the director of this game project or whomever is in charge.
4. The expansion Gods and Kings shouldnt be priced at $30dlls
5. All of this should all be done in 3 months time

...hire more people

etc.

You know, it's okay to complain as a customer. But I really don't get why some people think they own the companies and have the right to give them orders.

Unless you're indeed the Firaxis / 2K boss and just found out about Civ V recently, then I'm sorry. Be a more engaged leader next time and you'll save a lot of headache!

[The Mad Russian]

In a way we do own their companies. We buy their games which keep them in business, so we're responsible for their bonuses, ski trips, overseas excursions and luxury cars.

-Mark

[Nefliqus]

Is it really? Honestly, no joke here, was/is Civ 5 made by noobs? Did Firaxis didnt choose the Civ 4 or Civ 3 team for making Civ 5? I dont really understand it but I think this game was made by 5 years old kids and then handed over to 6 years old kids (not a lot of improvement there)

Why? ( I REALLY hope Firaxis or 2K is reading this ) Here is why, YOU, YES YOU, DESTROYED COMPLETELY AND WITHOUT MERCY a franchise that was the epicenter of turn-based strategy god games. I remember playing countless hours to Civ 3 and Civ 4 and now you give me this douche bag filled with bugs, errors and incomplete gameplay Civ 5? What the hell is wrong with you? One was expecting Religion and Espionage since Civ V ,not the expansion! then there is the animation movement in multiplayer...Who the hell told you to remove it?! HUH? Feedback from who exactly?! And OK, you removed it and everyone would say "ok, they will notice that mistake and fix it in a couple of weeks, or 2 months at most........but NO! It took you around 2 years!! 2 YEARS!? and even afterwards those 2 YEARS the game is still full with crashes, bugs, bad multiplayer connectivity and experience...honestly I can only guess that you gave this amazing franchise to some kids and told them "make it as you want!It will rock anyway" but what you did was destroy it completely.

So here is my brainstorm idea for you corporative greedy b***rds to fix this BIG issue:

1. Fix all this bugs, ALL! the bugs that CIV V has (not the expansion, I forgive that one as it is going to be released in a couple of days)
2. Hire a TESTING team outside of your little closed minded corporation so they REALLY test the game before any patch/expansion release, that way if you find anything bad you can fix it before releasing it and give us CUSTOMERS (you know the people that pay you) a well received product/update.
3. FIRE the director of this game project or whomever is in charge.
4. The expansion Gods and Kings shouldnt be priced at $30dlls considering that YOU havent fixed any of this, it should cost $10 or $15 at MOST ONLY if you want to recover your customers trust AND ONLY if the expansion fixes most of Civ V issues.
5. All of this should all be done in 3 months time (put your people and hire temporarily some more to make this done)
6. If you are not going to do any of the previous ideas/options, then do the following. By the end of this year release a perfected, minor bugged-crashing, Civilization 6 game with the same requirements as Civ V or Civ 4 for the better and that could restore a litttttttttttttttttle bit of the ex-loyal customers that have already left you.
7. If again, you do not pay attention to the previous options, then do not be angry if people download your game for free as they are acquiring it for the price it deserves, NOTHING.

Otherwise NOBODY is going to buy any civilization game and if your really care for your customers, hire more people, get rid of the bugs, send some gift to the people that bought Civ V since a long time ago and apoplogize for the BIG ENORMOUS mistake you have done.

DO NOT consider this as an insult to you or your company consider this as a HARSH but FRIENDLY advice as to what you have to do to fix what you have done, think about it and if you dont care just post it very big in the civilization 5 webpage and thats it! Just say "We dont care for you customers, we just wanted your money idiots! LOL!"

Sincerely,
An angry and now ex-loyal fan of Civilization.

Agree that there is sth wrong with this game but I still don't know if dev. team is so stupid or so clever.

[MagnaCaesar]

If you don't like the game there are other TBS games as well, ie. shogun Total war

Isn't that considered a RTS game?

[Mega-Dolphin]

You mad bro? Your attitude towards the devs allows them to disregard your input. If you really want change, then request it in a calmer and more reasonable tone. Ranting and raving rarely get anyone anywhere.

[alcibiades]

Otherwise NOBODY is going to buy any civilization game (...)

Speak for yourself and only for yourself. I love Civ V and will happily buy future Civ games from this team. If that makes me a moron, at least I'm a happy moron when I play Civ V, which I guess is a no worse fate than yours. Yes there are still issues with this game, but they are also still working on it and expanding it, so I'm sure many of these will be smoothed out with time, otherwise I'm confident modders will fix the rest.

[SlickSlicer]

I almost never experience bugs outside of multiplayer.

The only thing they really dropped the ball on is multiplayer, from my perspective.

[porky]

Someone else that doesn't realize this game is Civilization 5 not Civilization 4+.

And I love your last lil paragraph tho I don't know one person that wouldn't find most of what you wrote quite insulting.

I am impressed it's not all in CAPS tho! Nice self control.

[Ikie]

1. You're calling the people who made this game 5 year olds when you are RAGING ABOUT A GAME. I've never seen anyone over the age of ten get so upset let alone on a game. Now if you were to get upset about something important about injustice or hunger then I'll be fine about it. But as it is, your angry about a game.
2. I'm not sure quite sure why the animation is turned off in multiplayer but do you really care about animations? Combat animations and movement animations get bland and tedious after a while anyway.
3. I've heard a lot of people say that they prefer Civ V to Civ IV. Why? Because Civ IV is too complicated for their tastes. For Example, what if Rock, Paper, Scissors had millions of different "actions" that you can do? Won't it just get confusing? What they've done with Civ V is brought it back to the basics while still keeping requiring you to think and strategize. Isn't that the reason why Mario was so successful? You only needed to think about running and jumping.
4. I've heard about the bugs and lag but it seems to be only happening to certain computers. Most of the bugs seem to be just lag issues or old saves playing on the new patch. Just go to the "Having issues with the latest patch? Read this." thread, I managed to totally eliminate the lag that was plaguing one of my slower computers.
5.I find that Firaxis listens to their fans way more than other video games company do. I actually didn't expect them to be this caring of their customers.
6. You're calling Firaxis/2K greedy b***ards? You must be joking right. Have you seen other video game companies?
7. "DO NOT consider this as an insult" and " for you corporative greedy b***rds" does not go well together. I think I would feel insulted if I was called a greedy b***ard.
8. You think Gods and Kings should be $10-$15? The $30 price is quite fair by normal standards.
9. Are you sure nobody is going to buy a Civilization game? I think a game that has received a 90 metascore should be in any PC gamer's steam library.

[dennylc]

I find it ironic that you ended your comment by telling them not to consider this an insult to them but you obviously made it an insult right from the title of your thread clear through the comments. I know that people have been frustrated with some of the issues, and as already mentioned most of these are centered around multiplayer. I personally have had little issue with the game in general. I do agree the AI was not very smart, but that is supposed to be fixed in G&K. Being a game designer and a programmer, I know exactly what Fraxis has gone through the last 5 years with this game. AI and online Mulit-player are the most difficult code to write and the most diffucult to debug. And if you make the AI smarter the time between turns will increase, and then you get complaints about that. So no matter what they do, someone will not be happy.

And FYI, if they were going to come out with a CIV 6, it takes at least a year of planning and 2-3 years of code writing. Most people don't realize the time involved with designing a game these days, thus the $30-$50 price range. For example Blizzard has been working on a new MMO for over 3 years now and they have still not released any info regarding it. It's not uncommon for games to take 3-5 years to get to the consumer from start to finish. If you feel you can do a better job, then I invite you to create your own software company and have at it.

[Kukulcán]

Rise Lord Reeses Pieces, now go to the 2k temple and unleash your anger as you get a restraining order

[<3_BILL_HICKS]

Hehehehe. Good, goooooooood. I can feel your anger!

Now, rage delete Civilization and your journey to the dark side will be complete.

[Olek]

I doubt it's the devs themselves, I'm pretty sure they are capable, I'm more inclinded to believe it's the time constraints that allow the problems to arise, and also prevent certain problems being fixed, the publishers would be the one's causing this no doubt.
That's one of the pro's of platforms like Steam, pretty soon Devs like Firaxis won't need a publisher like 2K to distribute their software because they will be able to do so directly, and some companies have started doing this already.

[stethnorun]

Now, rage delete Civilization and your journey to the dark side will be complete.

Hehe... I was hoping someone would get it.

[HKY09]

Someone else that doesn't realize this game is Civilization 5 not Civilization 4+. And Religion and Espionage were not in Vanilla Civ 4 either, they were released in *gasp* an expansion pack!

And I love your last lil paragraph tho I don't know one person that wouldn't find most of what you wrote quite insulting.

I am impressed it's not all in CAPS tho! Nice self control.

That's actually incorrect, as Religion WAS in Vanilla of Civ IV. Actually, so was Espionage. The Expansion only expanded Espionage, but left religion the same. Get yo facts right before you construct that argument.

[HKY09]

Yes, it was unfinished at launch, but I feel like it has gotten ALOT better since then. I just wish they had put Religion in the vanilla instead of money grubbing an expansion out of it. But what can you do? (Rhetorical)

[<3_BILL_HICKS]

Hehe... I was hoping someone would get it.

He cant repel trolling of that magnitude

[PachaMinnie]

Whine Whine Whine

I think you are over-simplifying things just a tad bit and I think that they are trying to fix the game, this however takes time and money. I also find some of your points very bratty and idiotic. I suggest you calm down, and think about things.

[porky]

That's actually incorrect, as Religion WAS in Vanilla of Civ IV. Actually, so was Espionage. The Expansion only expanded Espionage, but left religion the same. Get yo facts right before you construct that argument.

My Bad and Thank you for you making that clear.

By the time I got to Civ IV it was on BTS already. I could had swore that many people said these two things were true early on when Civ V was released and everyone was complaining about the lack of them then. I stand corrected.

[Voqar]

What if I like Civ 5, think it's the best of the series, can't wait for the xpac, and think the OP is a raving lunatic?

[Jazzterisk]

The game's been out for just about 2 years. I thought we were done with all the Civ V sucks/Devs suck rants.

@OP: I'm all for your right to post your thoughts here but honestly, you're really being disrespectful.

[Perdikas]

You mad bro? Your attitude towards the devs allows them to disregard your input. If you really want change, then request it in a calmer and more reasonable tone. Ranting and raving rarely get anyone anywhere.

In somme ways he has the point. Seriously, its really annoying - and it's anger me to - tath more than a year has past, and the developers publishing a patch - wich is theoretically developing the game mechanics - what is making the game unplayable. Seriously, tehy dont testing tehre own patch before geting out? Before the last patch my game was perfect. Now i can't play with it in single as well as in multiplayer mod.

[Keloo]

The Expansion only expanded Espionage, but left religion the same.

Sorry, but in the expansion the religion system seems much more complex and different then the one in CIV IV. You have much more beliefs to choose from and you can make hundreds of combinations, plus it works differently, then the one we had in CIV IV.

@OP To me your post reflects your ignorance and your age(at least mental age). I honestly don't understand how immature and ignorant are some gamers, for instance on every LITERALLY EVERY CIV V related news on facebook or any other gaming website are a few Civ IV troll fanboys who keep rabbling the same stuff like : "I've moved back to CIV IV ages ago", "CIV V is dumbed down for brainless CoD players", "Civ V sucks, it's the worst of the series", "I hate Civ V, I love Civ IV, was the best"etc...

And I like how they talk in the name of every civ fan. If he/she was let down and was disappointed by CIV V, means every "hardcore loyal CIV fan" has to be. It's mind boggling how narrow minded can some people be.

Really ? Was/is this game literally THAT "horrible, terrible" ? I've played alot of CIV IV, and I don't get what was so damn sophisticated and complex about it compared to civ V, except the fact that it had a shallow religion system, and espionage, and the diplo AI was better. Explain to me what is so damn wrong and broken with this game except the diplo AI which is really annoying.

To me these butthurt "civ IV fanboys" are frustrated because CIV V isn't CIV IV 2.0 and they feel the need to complain about it even after TWO ☺☺☺☺ING YEARS! Honestly it's getting annoying. I don't get how can some "self entitled intelligent and mature players" act so childish and pathetic over a damn video game to the point that they insult everyone who enjoys it, because in their arrogant narrow minds the game is "for brainless, retarded 12 year olds". According to these type "fanatics" a game doesn't need to evolve, to change, because to them every civ game, or any other game series should stay like that from 1 to 100, only minor tweaks and maybe a better engine.

As for the expansion, no I don't think "it should've been for free because they cut out religion and espionage" since these features are differently implemented, work differently and are built upon a different base game, that runs on a different engine, and a has a different AI etc...

CIV IV had TWO expansion and I suppose it were 30$ at that time, no one complained, and everyone praised them. Strange, how the world works...

[HKY09]

Sorry, but in the expansion the religion system seems much more complex and different then the one in CIV IV. You have much more beliefs to choose from and you can make hundreds of combinations, plus it works differently, then the one we had in CIV IV.

What are you talking about?
Religion in IV and BTS are exactly the same.

[Keloo]

What are you talking about?
Religion in IV and BTS are exactly the same.

Really ? So in BTS you had tens of beliefs to choose from, that give you all sorts of bonuses based on terrain or gameplay approach, and so many options to customize your religion that I don't know of ? And you had to gain faith points to establish it, and you could've invest those faith points in new beliefs ? Tell me please, because honestly all that I remember is that when you found your religion, you get the same bonuses no matter what type of religion it was, same buildings etc...

So either you haven't played CIV IV, or you haven't paid attention to how religion works in CIV V.

[HKY09]

Really ? So in BTS you had tens of beliefs to choose from, that give you all sorts of bonuses based on terrain or gameplay approach, and so many options to customize your religion that I don't know of ? And you had to gain faith points to establish it, and you could've invest those faith points in new beliefs ? Tell me please, because honestly all that I remember is that when you found your religion, you get the same bonuses no matter what type of religion it was, same buildings etc...

So either you haven't played CIV IV, or you haven't paid attention to how religion works in CIV V.

BTS is BEYOND THE SWORD. An EXPANSION for CIVILIZATION FOUR. I'm not referring to Gods and Kings AT ALL.

[Keloo]

BTS is BEYOND THE SWORD. An EXPANSION for CIVILIZATION FOUR. I'm not referring to Gods and Kings AT ALL

I know what it is, you don't have to act like a smartass with me. Still you haven't answered my questions. So there is nothing we can talk about. I was referring to religion in Civ V, not civ IV. FFS.

[HKY09]

I know what it is, you don't have to act like a smartass with me. Still you haven't answered my questions. So there is nothing we can talk about. I was referring to religion in Civ V, not civ IV. FFS.

I can't identify how you got G&K's out of BTS, must've been something I said.
I apologise (I've had a really bad day.)

[PachaMinnie]

I can't identify how you got G&K's out of BTS, must've been something I said.
I apologise (I've had a really bad day.)

I don't understand either... I don't remember an expanded religion from BTS at all.

[SilentWulf]

The game's been out for just about 2 years. I thought we were done with all the Civ V sucks/Devs suck rants.

My thoughts exactly. This discussion is two years late. I think we were all (or mostly) disappointed at first (I wrote some posts about this as well back in the days), but I think Civ V progresses well over the last patches and we should all have moved on by now.

I for myself like Civ V and am looking forward to the expansion.

[Black Gate of Mordor]

@ OP

I think you should calm down and consider what you're doing.

You are complaining. Quite angrily. About a video game that came out two years ago. If you had any problems with it, I would think you would have gotten over them by now.

I don't understand why you're complaining about such a minor issue when you should probably be worried about bills or the upcoming election or other such important issue (this of course is assuming you're American and have your own home).

I would suggest you read Ikie's post. He's got this under wraps.

Read this.

Oh, and you're complaining about a $30 expansion? Don't complain. For some reason, game developers have randomly decided in the past year to raise the price of expansions here from $30 to $50. It is quite annoying.

[SlickSlicer]

I can't identify how you got G&K's out of BTS, must've been something I said.
I apologise (I've had a really bad day.)

You misunderstand dude. He was saying that the Civ IV religion system can't compare to the Civ V G&K religion system.

Reread this again. I put brackets to clarify:

Sorry, but in the expansion [of Civilization V. In other words, he's referring to Gods and Kings] the religion system seems much more complex and different then the one in CIV IV. You have much more beliefs to choose from and you can make hundreds of combinations, plus it works differently, then the one we had in CIV IV.

[Keloo]

Frankly we both misunderstood each other. First I thought he was referring to the religion system in the upcoming expansion, and he thought I was talking about the one in civ iv bts.

Ah, glad we clarified everything out.

[goodgimp]

So I'm a bit unclear and was hoping the OP could clear it up: Is the OP saying he really likes the game or that he's not much of a fan? I couldn't really tell.

[Littlisk]

Posts like these sustain me. Anyways, I'm not going to bother putting some real thought into this until the OP makes a reply.

[ShuShu62]

What if I like Civ 5, think it's the best of the series, can't wait for the xpac, and think the OP is a raving lunatic?

why then, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF COMPANY.