Anyone else besides me think that adding poland as a civilization would be just awesome?
Anyone else besides me think that adding poland as a civilization would be just awesome?
There are some people that think that it would awesome. Some go even further, judging by the dozen or so threads in the past about this...
Oh god, not again....
:lol: I didn't want to put it like that...Originally Posted by slowtarget
Edit: There are way to few emoticons on this board to express all my emotions! :grrr:
You know, I never thought about it...
That's it, shows over! I don't think the thread can be summed up any better than that.
Although seriously, we have had multitudes of threads where people loudly complain about the lack of Poland and bash every other country in existence because they're not Poland while not actually explaining what good Poland would be for the game, so please forgive us if we're...a little sick of hearing about Poland.
I will say this, however; if you can give us valid gameplay reasons to include Poland i.e. uniques, leaders, cities, etc., I would happily listen to you. That is the one thing that has been notoriously absent from past discussions.
Many times I've seen this type of information on this forum or on civfanatics. In addition, there are several versions of POLAND CIV MOD. If anyone would like to find it, would not be a problem.
Don't speak for "us" with an argument as demonstrably false as saying that Poland's case has never been documented.
In fact, the biggest reason for this thread's pointlessness is that the valid Polish argument has already been made, and made well, more than once.
Polandball can't into CiV.
No chance, as Austria has the Hussar UU.
One civ having a specific UU that had influence in another Civ doesn't mean that it can't be in the game. if Firaxis does indeed choose civs based on that, then...
Poland is famous for their Hussars. If you are suggesting both nations have a Hussar Unique Unit, then they wouldn't be so unique now would they? Besides, Poland without Hussars is just empty. They where famous horsemen, and the Hussars are their baby. Putting Poland in without Hussars is like putting Rome in without their legions. It's just not right.One civ having a specific UU that had influence in another Civ doesn't mean that it can't be in the game. if Firaxis does indeed choose civs based on that, then...
We don't need another god damned Euro civilization in the game unless they are from ancient/classical eras. What we need are civilizations that are unique and not centered around horses or defense. (Unless said nation centered around defense can do it in an exciting new way) I want to see the Zulu, Kush, Numidians, Goths, Harappan, Parthians, Sassanids, Thracians, Seleucids, Brazilians, Argentinans, Venezuelans, Cubans, Canadians, Mexicans, Various other new African tribes, Burmese, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Australians, I forget the rest. Now, I would enjoy to see all of these nations in the game, have they all done amazing things in history? No. Would they be unique? Yeah, a lot of them would be unique or at least exciting and new to play as. I don't want to see a Civilization that gets some bland defensive bonus for their cities, I want to see a unit that gets bonus gold and trade, or some new military ability like the ability to copycat other units, or some UA focused around conquered cities.
There are already too many European Civs . Right now,the only one European Civ which deserves a spot is Portugal,because they've been in other Civ games,which is the same reason for including Zulu . Beyond that,I'd prefer to see other non-european Civs .
Oh, that's brilliant.
But no. No Poland.
Poland should be kept out of Civ 5 forever, PURELY out of spite towards the pro-Poland people.
Civ dev: "We were just about to put Poland in, when rddhsch15 requested it for the billionth time on the boards. We decided then and there that we just couldn't take it anymore. NO POLAND FOR YOU!"
Polands UU: Polish Hussar: Replaces lancer. Penalty against panzers.
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I don't understand why Austria's hussar stops Poland's inclusion to the game, a polish UU could be called Winged Lancer, which they were famous for. Besides there's no copyright to 'hussar', all powers had them and as famous units, like Germany/Prussia with their death's head hussars.
Perhaps, but Poland should still never get into Civilization 5.
Poland has been already a long time in civ5. It can be played in both singleplayer and multiplayer. You just need to install one of the available mods. Your xenophobic opinions and chauvinistic posts will not change it. You will not stop Poland this way.
I meant officialy. I have played some of the Poland mods too... I didn't like them. The UA was usually pretty bland, and they just weren't adding anything fun to the game. I don't hate Poland, but I don't want them in because they won't add anything new to the game and will just add to a over crowded continent. Where they important to history? Yes, but Civilization 5 isn't a history book. It is a game.
I'm not sure what you mean by Chauvinistic by the way, or Xenophobic for that matter. I have been pushing for Civilizations of all types and colors and not just my own or things similar to my own.
Actually, most of the Poland-related threads have been angry nationalistic rants as of late.
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...ghlight=Poland - Went from a discussion on the similarities between the Austrian "logo" and Poland's coat of arms to a severely derailed thread where any comment about Poland was considered a racist slight to Poland.
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...New-Civs/page2 - Aside from unrelated neonazi accusations being thrown around, a lot of bitter rhetoric about not having Poland yet.
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...ghlight=Poland - OP accuses devs of ignorance and racism because Poland isn't a vanilla Civ.
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...ization/page10 - A nice history lesson, but ultimately nothing in the way of gameplay-related discussion dealing with Poland.
SEVERAL Polish forum members that shall not be named frequently create incendiary posts concerning Poland in relation to other nations on top of all of this.
Honestly, the Poland fans tend to be their own worst enemy and more often than not sabotage their effort by posting stuff like this everywhere.
Now...to be relevant, what's to stop Poland from having two UB's? So what if the Hussar is taken? Why not have two buildings? With Poland being one of the most religiously devout nations in Europe, souped up faith buildings wouldn't be a bad representation of them. If you don't have two buildings, then at least the Winged Hussar is unique enough to be a standalone unique for Poland, even if Austria has a regular Hussar unit. Given their penchant for charging into battle and wrecking stuff, a good ability would be drop the defense penalty Lancers usually have and allow them to ignore enemy flanking bonuses. As for a unique ability, how about "Solidarność"? Polish cities under enemy control suffer 2.5 times more unhappiness than normal. This effect persists even if Poland has been eliminated. +25% GA point production when a city is reclaimed.
Anyone know why Poland-supporters are so...fanatical? Seems pretty irrational to me. Is there some popular nationalist movement going on there currently that's spilling on to these boards?
At the moment the best option for Polish UU are
1) Winged Hussar and
2)Partisan with several possible unique ability:
-automatic creation after polish city capturing
-extra bonus or invisibility in forest
-ambushes creation ability, like sage units setup but result in invisibility
and "Solidarity" as UA, your proposition for UA is also good one.
EDIT:
UB: Catholic Church: cheaper (or extra production of) missionaries if city has catholic faith.
In this thread I see fanaticism only in your antypolish posts. If you haven't anything creative to add just move to other thread and pls stop create those provocative posts.
Last edited by Nefliqus; 06-05-2012 at 02:45 AM.
Personally, I feel they shouldn't have added Austria and should have added Poland instead, giving the latter the winged hussars.
I'm sure there's something they can do to make winged hussars unique from hussars anyways, but at the moment, I can't think of anything. There are other problems with them as well. If they add winged hussars, it will make Austria's hussars look like piss in comparison. Who would want to use Austria's lame, generic hussars over Poland's awesome, badass ones?
Maybe I'm just venting because I don't like what they did with Austria at all...
Also I'm not a fan of Solidarity. I would rather they have something that references their rather unique government under the Jagiellonians. They seemed to develop a pseudo-Democracy that was restricted to certain members of society (szlactha according to britannica).
An example of something I found interesting regarding their government:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...ician-Articles
Last edited by SlickSlicer; 06-05-2012 at 03:00 AM.
I was joking, obviously. Add "lack of sense of humor" to "fanatical".
I'm sincerely interested what the "pulse" of Poland is.
Poland can have the Winged Hussars and Uhlans as Unique Units. I for one can't name two buildings Poland is known for any ideas people? Poland wasn't a major religious player either, or atleast, it isn't known for being one. They are better known for their scientific pursuits, and science and religion don't much mix. Poland is famous for two things: Their resistance, and their Hussars.
Your Solidarność U.A. just seems more of a bother than anything else. Where is the bonuses to the person playing? I have lost 1 city in all of my games, and I regained it the next turn. The U.A. is useless, and it will be a pain to play against Poland and it gives no bonuses.
Winged Hussars and Uhlans are not very unique. I like idea of Partisan with ambushes creation ability or automatic creation after polish city capturing.
Proposition for UB: Catholic Church: cheaper (or extra production of) missionaries if city has catholic faith
or Great Religious people faster creation.
PS I don't understand why Firaxis didn't create Poland civ if they prepared polish localisation for civ5 and for GAK. It is just stupid business decision.
And a Catholic Church is Unique? There's like 5 of them near where I live. Take away the Winged Hussars and Poland isn't Poland anymore. Plus, they don't have their eagle, nor the red and white to accompany them.
I just like Partisan idea.
You can use other symbols like this one:
It is symbol of polish resistance during WW2, "Polish Anchor"
As colors they can use red and dark red.
Poland
Leader: The most famous is Jan Sobieski for his victory over the Turks. Casimir the Great is another good choice.
Henrician Articles [UA]: The gold bonus you receive during a golden age is halved (so each tile that produces gold produces .5 extra gold instead of 1 extra gold during a golden age). However, production of military units is increased substantially during a golden age (I'm bad with math. Double military production is probably too broke. I'm not sure what would be fair).
Winged Hussar: Cavalry replacement. When spawned they begin with an extra promotion of the player's choosing (this stacks with the promotions you get from barracks and the like). Receives a combat bonus depending on how many movement points are left over when they launch their attack (the more movement points they have left over, the stronger the bonus is). The latter bonus carries over even when the winged hussar goes obsolete.
Tabor: Replaces nothing. Available with engineering. The tabor is a horsedrawn wagon that carries supplies. It counts as a civilian unit and can stack with military units. The advantage it confers is that it comes with the medic promotion. Tabor can be captured and used by enemies. It costs horse strategic resources as well.
Another good replacement for polish eagle badge is symbol of Grunwald Swords:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunwald_Swords
but in red colors.
I think rules tying particular civs to particular faiths is best left to scenarios - the freedom to pick any religion, and even rename it, seems like an important point in the religion mechanic in GaK.
I agree completely.
What's wrong with the Polish eagle anyways, by the way?
As for as color scheme, red with white makes sense for the unit icons I suppose. They can't use white with red because Japan hijacked it first. ;_;
Considering that Poland would have 2 UU(Winged Hussars and Partisans),I'd like to know what kind of UA they can receive that isn't neither too bland,neither too similar to other's UA . Also,it'd be interesting to see a name for this UA that reflects their history as well .
Isn't red and white Austria in G&K? Wasn't that what one of the Polish rage threads was about, in fact?
Austria is using it.
Can we stop with the Poland threads, please? The case to include Poland has/hasn't been made about ten times now.
The OP might not know about that, but we don't need to add to it anymore.
Dammit Austria...why were you added?
Perhaps because they knew that they could combine both Civilizations into Austria. Think about it, They have a Hussar, Red and White, and the Eagle, plus their City state marriage ability sounds a lot like what Poland did to Lithuania. If you want Poland in just change Austria to Poland and their leader's name to something like Jan Soblenski III, Done!
Civ V's Maria Theresa IS ugly enough that she could probably pass as Jan Sobieski, I guess...
The Austrian Eagle looks like the Austrian Eagle. The Polish one has much pudgier legs than the one in game. However, I don't want to open the can of worms on the colour of the eagle again - I think I, and hopefully the Poland-pushers, can agree to differ on that.
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