The Money Tournament

[MultiPlayaBeast]

[[Civ Rev Tournament (DISCUSSION) with an actual money prize for winner!]

The details for this tournament is as follows:

1.)There is no Oxford Bombers/Fighters but Oxford can be used for anything else... If you use it and fighters or bombers by mistake... You can't use bombers or fighters the remaining of the game. Oxford Flight can be used to cancel EITC but the fighters will not be able to be used until the opponent has reached that Flight to combat you.
2.)There is no cheating or glitching of any type including Adar, Barb glitching, city collasping, demo glitching, great wall glitching(you are only allowed to request peace three time with GW or it will be assumed as abuse), road glitching, invisible units(sell if you have one or more) and freezing of course.
3.)Tournament is to end in 2 weeks. Any who do not finish their opponent will be forfeited. Tournament will not start until all participants have payed the fee.
4.)There will be a commitee of 3 people that will discuss issues or complaints during this tournament. The commitee will compose of regular posters and ones with common sense.
5.)Money will be handled by a respected forum member in which will be collected by him and the distributed to the winner of the tournament. This will all be handled via Paypal.
6.)This tournament will be handled in a playoff style format. The tournament will consist of 8 players in which 4 will be on in each "conference". 2 conferences of 4 players, 2 pairs of players will face each in each conference. This means that 2 players will face each other on each side once for the first round. It will go forward in a trinkle down effect of the winners. The two winners on each side of the conference of their games will face the other and the winner of the matches will meet in a finals match for the prize.
7.)The entrance fee will be 5 dollars in US currency. I don't know how this will be equated concerning other country currency but we will figure it out.

To be continued.....(Open discussion on rules, regulations and opinions)

[Mawpawk]

interesting... its ok if you wana change the rule of GW to 1 request

[newsgothic]

Oh boy. So much for "it's just a game."

[JackHall2003]

So Multi, You putting up the cash, or entry fee or what??? I'm sure it's probably illegal without some sort of licence and may have to be run 'off forum' but whatever, sure to all end in tears

[REM018]

In general a nice idea, but with all the buggyness I do not think it will work without fights. You already saw what went down in the just for fun tourneys and king titles. Now add money to the equation and you won't have happy campers.

All glitching and cheating aside, the game still freezes up on its own and who calls the result of the game then? Redo? Winner? What if a redo shifts the starting odds towards the other player? And so on and so on.

I don't think it will work. Even if you cherry pick the players based on their reputation. Once you add money to the equation it becomes a whole new animal.

[dukeblue1987]

I could only see it working if every participant recorded their side of the game. Especially if a players own money is at stake. I like the Oxford and GW rules though. Let me oxford flight to cancel EiTC and I just won't use fighters!

[REM018]

Since we are talking about good new rules: I am very much in favor of not allowing forcing peace with the GW after the GW owner declared war. I think the GW is too powerful if you can do peace/war/peace/war ... even with granting one turn to counter.

IMO, the GW should just force everybody to accept peace when you get it. As soon as the GW owner chooses to attack, he/she forfeits the protection by being aggressive. I think that is the spirit of how the GW is supposed to work. Anything else would just be too powerful.

What you get from the GW is protection until your opponent gets engineering and/or the power to decide when it is time to start war (which in itself is already quite powerful).

[Liam_Sutty]

Or just let me Oxford straight after university with a GB sat there so I can get an instanuke!! For someones 20 german knight armies... :-)

I can't see how you would possibly police this like other have said. How would you go about the exchange rate too? Although I think the pound is as high as it's been in a long time against the Euro.

[ScottieX]

yeah everyone would need to record every game. Even subtlties of game play like mawpawks vs mine could easily end up as fights over "cheating"... and then there are the more fringe players...

You would also need an arbitration process not involving the two players (gentlemens rules out the window).
somhthing like - an unbiased the adjudicator sees the evidence, makes a call, then sommeone checks it makes sense then they publish it with the explination.

[danthechan]

the key would be to not make it for so much money that people would lose their minds over it. paypal would probably make the exchange doable. i'll stick to fantasy football.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

I'm going to post more concerning the tournament but in the end I don't see how it will be much fighting. Those that enter will have to understand the rules of this before joining so there will be no problems. Im thinking the amount will be only 5 bucks to participate. Everything will be handled through paypal and the one who will hold the money will be a VERY respected forum member that I will choose. I'll put more into this later but if the chosen forum member who accepts don't hold up in the end on the money collected and giving back wil have reprucussions of course a liar and cheat but also I will be the one to payout the money in the end or I if I win I will still take the loss of money.

[Mawpawk]

sign me up plz. i would trust you multi 2 hold the doubloons.

[dukeblue1987]

I will play but I will be in Hawaii from June 15 - 25th.

[Jackoneill]

How much is up for grabs Multi?

[newsgothic]

Thanks for that aside, Duke.

[ScottieX]

For the comittee - I respectfully suggest Me, Jackhall and maybe Japykneese. Often online often looking, understand multiplaying and also not in this tourney. dan might fit that bill too.

Otherwise these two would be awesome

King phillip "PWNED F_____"
Scobert "You ain't cheating, you ain't trying!"

Im not sure who gets no 3... But their judgements could be really amusing...

[JackHall2003]

Brent, of course, could be the treasurer

I would suggest that all participants agree to send the winner an amount directly and set in stone at kick-off (ie, 10 USD, 7 GBP, 375000 NZD etc. etc.)

Saves multiple exchange rate hits from paypal or whatever. If anyone reneges they get banned from tourney play.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

I think the idea of having the 3 Scottie mentioned (including himself) will be great especially they agree to it. I would like this tournament to rewarding but in the end be a success. There are poker tournaments and Madden tournaments with money prizes.... How come civ cant be that way? This will test mettle and will because all that anger and such needs to be put out the window as this tournament you pay to lose or win. Before this tournament go down (if it does), every player that comes in will know all rules and understand that games will be played at the upmost fair. I know this idea of a tournament with civ is a bit far-fetched but for those who believe skill can overcome... Should sign-up.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

Jack, your idea seems very good but then it a bit concerns me for when a new member wants to participate in later money tourney's, that they up and bounce when the time comes to pay up. I guess I'm getting ahead of myself as this tourney may not happen but I guess for this starting one we can see how every challenger will do when the time comes to pay the winner. See the tournament won't start until all money is collected for the winner of the tourney. Since I will be the guy that will front the money if there is any issues such as if the holder of the prize money disappears with it, everyone should be assured there'll be no need for fussing.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

Rules have been updated guys, I need more input concerning this from you wise old men. I want this to be a success the more input we have will allow this tournament to come alive. I will be putting this tourney out to the Civ Rev world through my bio on Xbox but spread the word if you want yourselves. We got 3 people who is in including myself but the real participants will be the ones who pay the fee. This tournament becomes a succes then we could do like runner up prize, best victory prize or whatever. LET'S HIT THIS ONE OUT THE PARK AND ONES WHO KNOW THEY GOOD PUT THEY MONEY WHERE THEY MOUTH IS!

[dukeblue1987]

6.)This tournament will be handled in a playoff style format. The tournament will consist of 8 players in which 4 will be on in each "conference". 2 conferences of 4 players each will play each other once. This means that 2 players will face each other on each side once. The two winners on each side of the conference of their games will face the other and the winner of the matches will meet in a finals match for the prize.

I can't follow this whatsoever. So there are 2 conferences of 4 people? You play everyone once and someone twice? How many games? What civs?

Personally I think the best way for this format is a best of 7 bracket style touney. Round Robin takes longer and I think there is a bit more luck with who plays what civs against who. Also, nobody has to play games where they are technically out of the tournament. Make it bottem 10 and let the civ selection reset each round. This works great with 8 people as there are 4 rounds (8, 4, 2, finals). You can do either random seeding or take a poll of the forums to see what the seeding should be.

[danthechan]

that is a good idea for a future tourney duke. the 7 game playoff format has been used in american sports leagues for decades. to avoid the random nature of it the entrants should be loosly seeded to hopefully avoid the best players meeting in the 1st round.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

Yeah that's how I want it to be as you suggested. I didn't know how to word it really. But there will only be one game for each pair that faces off the whole tournament. I want this to be fast to see how it can go. Now as far as civ selection is concerned, it will be tier based for each pair of opponents all the way until the finals. The Commitee will announce the tiers for the pair of battlers each round until finals. How they come up with the tiers will be left to the Committee. As far as who will be matched up will be a drw out the hat deal in which I will do once I have all participants.

[dukeblue1987]

Yeah that's how I want it to be as you suggested. I didn't know how to word it really. But there will only be one game for each pair that faces off the whole tournament. I want this to be fast to see how it can go. Now as far as civ selection is concerned, it will be tier based for each pair of opponents all the way until the finals. The Commitee will announce the tiers for the pair of battlers each round until finals. How they come up with the tiers will be left to the Committee. As far as who will be matched up will be a drw out the hat deal in which I will do once I have all participants.

Paying 5 bucks for single game elimination is way too random for me. Or am I missing something here? It really doesn't matter about the money. It needs to be round robin or best of 3 minimum.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

8 players, 4 on each side (2 sides), 2 out of the 4 on each side will play one game each other for the victor in the first round. 2nd round will have the winners of the 2 battles on each side face each other. 3rd and final round will have the winners of the 2nd round face for the Prize. Every match is won through one game. This is to test how fast this can be done for the first Money Tournament. Rules updated...

[MultiPlayaBeast]

If this discussion agrees that there should be a best out of 3 series at the minimum then so be it. Nothing is set in stone at this point.