GOTW Romans 13.05.2012

[MagnaCarta]

Pretty easy week but a few weird thing are happening to me...

Yesterday i posted 200BC cultural victory

Lucky first run with loads of mistakes that cost me some turns... at least 2 or 3.
Far from optimal, my production city was ready for 300BC (and the milestones as well but i forgot to buy 1 wonder so was 19/20 with plenty gold) but that also was a bit too late. I went with construction only (no steam+railroad) so 4 hills+3 forests = 36 hammers/turn= 7 turns
Wasted a hut for map of... GP's made no difference all settled again, only used 1 GS on corp due to wasted hut.

For me:

3400 athens + IW+BW
3300 100g settlers
2900 thebes
2400 moscow (walkout)
1700 literacy+currency from huts
1300 democracy 36 cities, indust from hut, GS for corp (very lucky form culture otherwise no corp)
1000 factory
200BC* win culture

* really 300, posted 200.

Today i tried 3 more times but i think i lost the seed or some weird things are happening... Russians dont walk out anymore (at 2400 or at all, their 2nd city just pops out of nowhere) and the huts all give maps same times as yesterday which gave techs , i could swear im doing things relatively close to yesterday but i cant seem to get the same outcomes.. has this ever happened to anyone? what am i doing wrong? its a first for me, really strange

I thought techs from huts go by year and not seed so how could that have changed?
and why arent the russians walk out anymore.. its the same start by years (thebes still at 2900) and i get to moscow at 2500 the same way meeting the russians only then both times!! do these things glitch sometimes?
I know if i can get moscow at 2400 again (worked multiple times yesterday) i can improve my score but without it its very hard or impossible (tried 3 times today)

Well, fun but a bit frustrating but still 2nd BC win for me...

[Kadera]

Yesterday i posted 200BC cultural victory
Lucky first run with loads of mistakes that cost me some turns... at least 2 or 3.

... 500 BC, ... and at least 1 turn (or 2 with GB), i needed ~100 gold for 600 BC. Production city was ready for 700 BC.

2900 thebes
1700 literacy+currency from huts
1300 democracy 36 cities, indust from hut, GS for corp (very lucky form culture otherwise no corp)

2900 is too fast for me (2800 for me, ~=-20g) but later 2300 (~=+100g) and 1400 (+all 4 techs from huts).

I thought techs from huts go by year and not seed so how could that have changed?

I don't know but someties popping artifacts can change seed, sometimes amount of gold, sometimes units on map, probably some techs etc. BTW. "map of ..." = "elite upgrade or veteran" (for military units), militia can't be upgraded so you will get "map of ...".

Russians dont walk out anymore (at 2400 or at all, their 2nd city just pops out of nowhere)

Teleported on island AI cheats, they also know all about you (moves etc). Maybe you blocked them place for 2nd city, maybe your LA was too fast, maybe you met them (peace) too early etc. More annoying was Egyptians and AA at 3000 BC or 3100 (but with changed seed 2A+2L at 2800 BC).

romans

artifacts:
1s 12w kt
14n 4w soc
5n 12e atlantis

huts:
4n 1e
8n 3e
10n 2w
9n 7w
from thebes:
3n 4w
7w
from moscow:
2n 2e

barb huts:
2s 2w
3n 2w
7n
8n 4w
from thebes:
3s 1w
4w
5n 1w
from moscow:
4w

nt:
4n
2n 4w
3s 2w
10n 4w
15n 5w
4s 13e
4s 17e
from thebes:
1n 1w
5w
from berlin:
1w

other civs:
moscow 14n 13w
athens 11n 2e
thebes 6n 9w
berlin 12n 10e

Next week please create new thread (like Magna, title "GOTW {civ} {date}").

[MagnaCarta]

2900 is too fast for me (2800 for me, ~=-20g) but later 2300 (~=+100g) and 1400 (+all 4 techs from huts).

2900 was using 100g settlers+ long road (30g)+ galley from barbs (either LA m+b and spy or LA m+b and legion in galley)... so maybe 2800 is better for gold...

what do you mean by later 2300 =~100g+ ? are you referring to moscow that it is better taken at 2300?

Maybe you blocked them place for 2nd city,

That was the reason ,TNX!! i found it again so moscow still at 2400....Thats crazy they knew i blocked their 2nd city spot 5 tiles away with out even meeting me... never knew that

Teleported on island AI cheats, they also know all about you (moves etc)

They teleport a city on the mainland!! ive seen it happen on islands but not on mainland... germans did too.
I guess it happens but i always assume they got there without cheating as for islands you know they have no galley so its easy to spot.

I should be upgrading my score easily with this opening... we'll see tonight


BTW: Are you researching steam+RR this week?

[Kadera]

Finally i posted 600 BC Cult.V., this time with 1st GP from 150 culture, ~295 gold at 1400 BC - i wasn't ready to rush Courthouse (so GS used for Communism, 21/20 cultural milestones are possible). Probably 700 BC is impossible with 1 GB (due to no gold for Oxford).
EDIT: I forgot i also did 2100 BC Dom - Deity, that was easy with Catapults.

what do you mean by later 2300 =~100g+ ?

I got Lit+Curr 6 turns earlier than you, so i have money from marketplace and many beakers (from Lit). I also have problem to get 1st GP from 150c - i'm 1 turn too fast.

BTW: Are you researching steam+RR this week?

No It's useless - max 1 mountain! 42 hammers / 1 turn are bad but Romans needs 250h for UN/WB (so 42 is like 84).

[MagnaCarta]

Upgraded my score to 500BC

All techs from huts (lit,curr,ind,corp)... no GB's, GS for communism, 20/20 milestone

I think perfect for me... maybe 600BC with better production city and maybe the 150c gp... but for 600BC wonders have to be rushed at 900BC so less 1 turn of gold =~900 gold or so im not sure 20/20 will be ready.... i'll try

No It's useless - max 1 mountain! 42 hammers / 1 turn are bad but Romans needs 250h for UN/WB (so 42 is like 84).

my production city is too slow then, mine needed 6 turns (32,6pop+34,engineering+38,bonus pop 2000g+57+57+57 w/commun) but i found a better spot and i think i can do it in 5 which i will need 42h/turn

I also have problem to get 1st GP from 150c - i'm 1 turn too fast.

yes , me too same 1 turn 149/150 lol, that hurt!!!.. but i think i can solve this by rushing stonehenge a few turns before democ. can it work? its only 25 hammers and can easily be hammered or rushed,,, it costs 1.25 settlers, question is :is it worth it? gp<=>1.25 sttlers? (its also 1/20 so no waste)....

[Kadera]

my production city is too slow then, mine needed 6 turns (32,6pop+34...

You should rush HGB later (if possible), my prod.city: 9-pop 42h.

it costs 1.25 settlers, question is :is it worth it?

It's far more than 1.25 (rush cost x6 = 150g, useless, 150g at ~1800 BC it's more than 800g at 900 BC etc). You will expand far slower (i tried with StoneH and i rushed ~3 settlers less than earlier). 3 settlers (=cities) are worth ~80-90g / turn, x3, x6 turns, so rushing Leonardo's Workshop for ~600g makes no difference. Maybe you can build StoneH at last moment (152/150) and maybe you will lost 2 settlers. Earlier (1st run) my production city was ready for 600 BC without Communism (due to more gold at 1400 BC).

[MagnaCarta]

Good points!! i overlooked a lot of things....

I tried once more but was just short of 600BC... <100g, thats it for the week i dont think i can do much more

Fun and EASY week (zero seeding for me, everything was flawless), waiting for tricky egypt....

[johnfeddersen]

I can't do better than 1700BC dom diety... can it be better?

My seed with Egypt keeps them AA free... only 2 As at 2800BC, stole GL 2 turns earlier... never declared war until attack round...

Galley to russia in time for walk-out. But destroyed AA and take Settlers to goto Berlin. Miss german walkout by one turn, but in range to destroy German AA and with Bltz sets me up for attack next round, spy takes GL... LA March or H enter at 1800BC.

[MagnaCarta]

I can't do better than 1700BC dom diety... can it be better?

Kadera did 2100BC with catapults, I did the same but with legions, many many legions.... turned out i needed 1 LA b+i+m , 1 legion and 1 spy, lol....

i got thebes at 2900BC and rushed a settler at 2800 sent it to berlin settle 2 spot away, then build many roads and many legions... my whole empire was connected by roads and gold is not a problem if mapped correctly.

i had about 6 LA's next door to berlin at 2200, but only 2 or 3 had moves left so i sent a spy in to weaken defense and attack 15x21 win and 10x5,2x0 win win.... and the other 5 armies started dancing

[Kadera]

I also rushed galleys to be faster close to Berlin. Maybe 2200 BC is possible with Knights M+B+I (4 techs from huts). This week spoiler like no spoiler (almost everything is above):
3600 BC settle next to barbs
3400 Athens + IW, 119 gold
2800 BC Thebes (LA vs Archers + spy vs GL, 9 vs 8, 6 vs 6)
2400 BC Moscow (walkout, 9 vs 6)
{for Dom: 2300 BC Writing+Mathematics from huts, city close to Berlin, long roads}
{2200 BC Berlin (spy+CA vs AA, LA vs A, 30 vs 21, 12 vs 6)}
2300 BC Lit+Curr from huts
1500 BC Ind+Copr from huts
1400 BC Democracy, Industrial Era, ~40 cities
1100 BC production city 42h/turn (should be 1200 BC with 320g at 1400 BC for Courthouse).

[johnfeddersen]

Ok I was just messing around with different seeds... and this has to be unbelieveable:

The barb on the way to Thebes, the one that gives the galley and GG...

Now with this seed barbs 4 flags, barbs attack my LA bltz... .5 barbs vs 4.5 LA and they knock out 3 for 1 heart!

Second attack, barbs .5 vs 3 and knocks out 3 again, 2 hearts!

What were the odds 9 to 1 and 6 to 1! I know I didn't lose but realy... These are the Super barbs!