Where will the next episode take place?
The Moon would be a nice location for that one, or prob. Mars?
Who would like that!
Where will the next episode take place?
The Moon would be a nice location for that one, or prob. Mars?
Who would like that!
I have mixed feelings about this. But most likely, not really.
But there's already a Bioshock in Space, kinda. It's System Shock!
Not that this has anything to do with it....but, contrary to popular belief actually Venus is a better place to colonize than Moon or Mars.The way to do it is, like Columbia, have floating cities.So our ancestors from the beginning of the 20th century were not totally wrong in the idea of a city in the sky..they only got the wrong planet.
If we were to plant trees on the moon and somehow transport water there it would be a liveable environment
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/onli...r_planets.aspx
Yeah....totally livable....except for no nutrients in the soil for the trees to live or CO2 for them to convert to oxygen and no atmosphere to protect them or anything else from direct radiation. Then there's the temperature that goes between -170C and +130C plus the lack of gravity leading to loss of bone mass and really no tangible benefit to being there in the first place. So like you said, it could workSo happy that Obama killed the space program, what a huge waste.
juan29zapata said:But there's already a Bioshock in Space, kinda. It's System Shock!
True! What I was thinking of was not a Rapture in a system shock way but more in a Jules Vernes
"From the Earth to the Moon" style in some 19th century background.
How about that?
laforzadimente said:Yeah....totally livable....except for no nutrients in the soil for the trees to live or CO2 for them to convert to oxygen and no atmosphere to protect them or anything else from direct radiation. Then there's the temperature that goes between -170C and +130C plus the lack of gravity leading to loss of bone mass and really no tangible benefit to being there in the first place. So like you said, it could work <img /> So happy that Obama killed the space program, what a huge waste.
This sounds like the basis for some awesome landscape and character design to me.
moved to Bioshock General
Moon AND Mars -- although that SteamPunk like genre (actually before steampunk existed) has already been done with Space 1889 (google it).
As for reality of any of this, the setting of Bioshock Infinity makes Rapture look plausible by comparisson -- brick buildings held up by tiny hot air balloons etc...
Maybe return to Rapture (Rapture Reborn) as an MMORPG - players explore/repair/rebuild after the Lamb era and before Rapture simply turns into a Cold Water-filled Tomb.
if they do make another bioshock on the moon....i hope Newt Gingrich is the founder of itif he becomes president of course..
bluejacket said:if they do make another bioshock on the moon....i hope Newt Gingrich is the founder of it <img /> if he becomes president of course..
It would be very easy to imagine the kind of statue that they would have of him, it should be a model of his giant head.The leader of the opposite faction should be Saul Alinsky..hahahahah
bluejacket said:if they do make another bioshock on the moon....i hope Newt Gingrich is the founder of it <img /> if he becomes president of course..
I wish someone with a vision would have talked to Newt about a better idea instead of this (same for whoever advised Bush about his manned mars mission proposal).
A much BETTER project would be a Manhattan /Apollo sized project to make nuclear Fusion a reality (no not Mr Fusion on your DeLorean, but commercially viable powerplants).
Cheap power would make possible a substantial technology shift in materials useable, would go a ways to heading off the Green/AGW crazies/agendaists and probably most important of all - since critical resources have often been the source of wars -- to head off the future conflict between the growing industrial countries.
Once you have fusion power THEN doing the moon thing and mars thing are 10x easier (and cheaper) amongst multitudes of other projects.
This would be a cool setting, but what time period are we talking about? For this to be possible, the Apollo missions could have been the start for a colony on the moon. Let's create a scenario, where secret space shuttles were sent up to the Moon, along with the Apollo program. The public however, was not told about these additional space shuttles. Similar to Bioshock 1, an individual like Andrew Ryan lead these secret shuttles to space; as their leader. Unlike the Apollo, their crafts went to the dark side of the moon and began their colony there. This would explain the theory; why the United States never explores the dark side of the moon. Remaining a secret for years; the lunar utopia becomes a home for some of the worlds best scientist and inventors.
Unlike the Bioshock 1, 2 and Infinite; plasmids do not spark the chaos on the lunar utopia. A technological failure in the cities atmospheric shield, causes a mass scare in the utopia. When the machines that generate Earth's atmosphere for them on the moon, begins to fail; they all seek for a mean of transportation to return to Earth. The only problem is, the Governments share no interest in a society filled with scientist, inventors and a smart working class that turned their back on society of Earth. So the Government refuses to help them. In the lunar utopia, 2 or 3 semi-mother ships were left stationed there, in case emergency evacuation was ever needed. The problem is, the cities population grew very quickly and the semi-mother ships cannot hold the cities population. When the City Council declares that evacuation will go to FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, people flood the city in panic/war to be the first ones to make it to the EVACUATION STATION, where the ships are being stationed.
Here are a list of plasmids for this game:
1) Mercury Incinerate
2) Neptune Frost Bite
3) Plutonian Haze
4) Cosmic Hell Fire
5) Solar Wind
6) Martian Dare Devil
There are more plasmids such as invisibility, teleportation, forest bind, mind control and a few others.
martian1127 said:This would be a cool setting, but what time period are we talking about? For this to be possible, the Apollo missions could have been the start for a colony on the moon. Let's create a scenario, where secret space shuttles were sent up to the Moon, along with the Apollo program. The public however, was not told about these additional space shuttles. Similar to Bioshock 1, an individual like Andrew Ryan lead these secret shuttles to space; as their leader. Unlike the Apollo, their crafts went to the dark side of the moon and began their colony there. This would explain the theory; why the United States never explores the dark side of the moon. Remaining a secret for years; the lunar utopia becomes a home for some of the worlds best scientist and inventors.
You look at the Sci-Fi stuff of the 50s and it all looks like German V2 rockets and there were plenty of rumors of secret projects and such (cold war was almost hot which drove alot of it).
Much of the appeal of the bioshock games is the nostalgia aspect and having something from the 50s era would fit it with that (Apollo and space shuttles are just too modern).
You could even throw in plot component dealing with Nazis (a favorite game adversary)
The materials for game assets (plent of it in the public medias) also would largely be past copyright age.
Personally I'd very much enjoy a "space race" kind of game, where the main ideology is the drive to explore a given area of space.
Unfortunately, we have to realize that the more we discuss potential future locations for BioShock games, the less likely it is that the game designers will actually set them there. So the discussion is by its very nature, moot.
philosocaptcha said:Personally I'd very much enjoy a "space race" kind of game, where the main ideology is the drive to explore a given area of space.
Unfortunately, we have to realize that the more we discuss potential future locations for BioShock games, the less likely it is that the game designers will actually set them there. So the discussion is by its very nature, moot.
You never know what a 'spark' of an idea may produce (though there is that addage ' ideas are a dime a dozen'). Whether anyone from the company even looks at these forums is something else (I think many of them are thoroughly sick of the subject and avoid doing anything they arent forced to do by their contract specification/job descriptions)
The moon? I don't really see a BioShock on the moon... I think that there has to be some influence in art and structure for the BioShock team in order for them to really make an amazing looking and semi-realistic world.
I guess they could use culture from the 50's and 60's when space was still a new concept and a part of the tension between the Soviet Union.
If it were set in the future, I don't think that it would even be CALLED BioShock due to all the other 3 BioShock games have been set in the past.
i bet they gonna do what they did with BS1 & 2, have infinite one and two with a cliffhanger ending and then say "hay now we gonna go to the moon in Bioshock Future". have a sequal and then say hey, now we're goin to be underground in Bioshock Vault. eventually they GET DESERATE and say " now we have a microscopic city in a man called Bioshock: osmosis jones.
Dont get me wrong i <3 bioshock and im gonna love infinite, but i hope they dont ditch columbia after i get connected to it like my city of rapture, i do hope they return to rapture one day, but i moved to columbia for now.
hunterdavidross said:The moon? I don't really see a BioShock on the moon... I think that there has to be some influence in art and structure for the BioShock team in order for them to really make an amazing looking and semi-realistic world.
I guess they could use culture from the 50's and 60's when space was still a new concept and a part of the tension between the Soviet Union.
If it were set in the future, I don't think that it would even be CALLED BioShock due to all the other 3 BioShock games have been set in the past.
50's and 60's are in tha past - already 50 years ago and still sufficiently distant to have that nostalgic/stylistic feel (and for many music and such to be beyond copyright )
The resource thing is probably many times worse than Rapture for a moonbase but that could be justified (hydroponics would be doable even in Rapture and nuclear reactors for power etc...) . The BIO & SHOCK aspect could go back to the genre (versus the fantasyland of Infinite)
A space station would be pretty much as good as the moon.
If there is the same "Hide from the World" bit they had in Bioshock then the Moon is a bit more remote and hideway.
Geosynchronus orbit is 22000 miles out, which would be alot more remote than in Earth orbit.
It would take another Ryan type million/billionaire to put a substantial facility up into space.
I suppose you could have a 'bio-habitat' to try to make it self-supporting.
Some other 'bio' (overwhelming technology effect) then would result in the 'shock' (society rending crisis) so we dont have to rely on Infinite type fantasy stuff. And no Russians versus American fake political strife please, as that was the Cold War period when both wouldnt be in the same place to cause that interaction.
Dude that sounds pretty interesting and think of the environment and characters the producers would have to come up with. :O
Originally Posted by Certz
All the 50s early 60s nostalgia stuff and cliches and nice spaceman stuff -- alot of potential material to work with (and they could ge back to THE proper Bioshock genre)
It might be possible for a multi-billionaire or a consortium to build a secret small colony, or even a small town, on a space station, on the moon, or on another planet, but I don't think that a city the size of Rapture would be feasible. We cannot even do something like this now.
Actually building something like the undersea city of Rapture and keeping it secret would be unrealistic.
But if we are talking fantasy, why go off-planet, in the 1950s time-frame, there would be many places on Earth to build a second Rapture.
For example the North Pole or the South Pole or somewhere on Antarctica, deep in Siberia, deep in the Brazilian rainforest ( where the Nazi's were meant to have gone), on a Pacific island, or the favourite places for this sort of hidden, Shangri-La type of society, the Himalayas, the Andes, etc.
There are just so many possibilities here on planet Earth.
One of the main things that I enjoyed about the first two BioShock games, was the dark, deep, mild sense of claustrophobia in the game. Even after playing BioShock 1 and 2 many times, I still like to get to a window and look outside, and see the great underwater graphics. I also still like to moon-walk Delta underwater, this is a bit like being on the moon, in low gravity.
If Rapture was ever set on the Moon, I think that I would enjoy the moon-walking and the moon-buggy rides, to and from each habitat dome and using the helmet sun visor, getting an oxygen cylinder before I suffocate, etc. there are just so many possibilities for Rapture on the moon.
Actually the deep underwater environment and the airless moon environment, are quite similar and need similar suits etc. NASA train astronauts underwater.
But the moon scenery would be quite monotonous, not like the great underwater scenery of Rapture 1 and 2.
Its a matter of it being hidden
If its pretty much completely underground it could just as well be in your backyard.
Antarctic/parts of Siberia probably would be remote enough (and would be covered by ice and snow pretty much as well.
Getting all the stuff there would be the problem with remote areas (shiploads to mid atlantic was doable, same stuff to a place with not even roads would be magnitudes more expensive and obvious).
Amazon was already being exploited by the 50s and planes flying over dont miss things city size usually (ditto for pacific islands).
Moon scenery would be nice but just like Rapture most of the action would take placing inside fighting the Nazis/mutants/aliens.
A key element of the 'space' theme is the 'pushed forward' 50s era style space technology (when the magazines/movies still had alot of stuff that looked like V2 rockets, etc...)
Elvis songs being played underground in the Amazon just isnt the same.
I have already got secret bases in my back yard, a tourist got arrested recently, for taking photos of a submarine.
Rapture would have to be mostly underground, as there were already satellites and the U2 spy plane etc. in the 50s. I am not sure if an undersea Rapture could have been spotted by satellite in the 1950s, probably could with sonar from patrolling submarines though.
Elvis songs etc. in Moon Base Rapture, wow!
50s satellites not so much Sputnik 1957 and explorer 1958 and the U2s were looking at Russia (so maybe only the Siberia location)
Space Station/Moonbase might not actually be a secret (maybe the scale of it might be) they would be remote enough that even knowing where they are they largely cant be reached.
Actually the sonar thing would probably doom Rapture. WIth the Sonar getting real good by 70s you could probably hear Rapture hundreds of miles away because of all the machinery rattling non-stop (and the sides of the volcano wouldnt absorb most of the sound. So US Navy would be finding it pretty quick sometime around then (70s)
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