He doesn't, Columbia finds him.
He doesn't, Columbia finds him.
That would only happen if they were associated with Soviet Russia. >.<
My money is on a slightly steam punk gyro-copter launched from the Empire State Building blimp dock.
Cloudy New York city skyline, decker takes off, suddenly the skyline shifts and Columbia rises out of the clouds suddenly dwarfing New York.
telbere said:My money is on a slightly steam punk gyro-copter launched from the Empire State Building blimp dock.
^ on SLIGHT quibbly: Empire State Building wasn't built until the 1930s. The Flatiron or Woolworth Building building maybe (The Woolworth building was the tallest building in the world until 1930).
Although the skyline change would look rather cool, especially since New York looked quite different back then.
althykat said:That would only happen if they were associated with Soviet Russia. >.<
Soviet Russia doesn't exist anymore.
@choo1701
"I reject your reality..." Adam savage.
Seriously me back dating the empire state building bugs you in a game that will feature alternate versions of Star Wars? <laughter>
ps nice picture looks a lot like columbia don't you think?
@Purdon: but it existed in the time period that Infinite is taking place, remember. Besides, it was a cheap shot at a poor internet meme. Come on.
Soviet Russia did not exist during the time period Infinite takes place. Also, it was only a joke. Calm down. I also don't like internet meme's.
althykat said:@Purdon: but it existed in the time period that Infinite is taking place, remember. Besides, it was a cheap shot at a poor internet meme. Come on.
I am calm =P I told you it was a cheap shot. Sorry for sounding uppity. Also...what if Booker got to Columbia by boat?
Maybe he farts his way up there like Stimpson J.Cat!!!!!!You FAT BLOATED IDIOTS!!!!
Ren and Stimpy would definitely have a field day with a Handy Man......just sayin'....
Booker has probably been tracking Columbia for a while. He's much like a retrieval agent that works for a private company or Government. Their job is finding inner connects or people who have seen sightings of it on a nation wide basis. Once he draws a connection between the most recent sighting and his current location, he fires up a plane and tracks it down.
perhaps someone gets out of the city, most likely a founder. and this intel gets to the pinekrton agency, thus putting booker on the job. simple, hopefully not the actual story lol
I bet he gets there in a hot air balloon
telbere said:@choo1701
"I reject your reality..." Adam savage.
Seriously me back dating the empire state building bugs you in a game that will feature alternate versions of Star Wars? <laughter>
ps nice picture looks a lot like columbia don't you think?
*shrug* I'm a history buff. And like my Beaux-Arts architecture (what Columbia is styled on) more than the Art Deco of the Empire State Building (granted, the Deco is more INSIDE than out).
BTW: just a thought, but wouldn't the interest question be: HOW DOES BOOKER GET DOWN!?!
This is a FPS, how long do your "very friendly and very useful allies" usually AIs LAST!?!
I'll put money on the "Friendly AI's" blimp going KA-BOOM the minute you step near it once you have Elizabeth!
thelastguardian said:According to Ken Levines twitter he says Booker will find Columbia with a "map".
When did he say that? Can you give a link to it?
How he gets down?
Well for one ending of the game the answer would be very very quickly with a sudden stop.
Laughter
My guess is that he gets shanghied up to Columbia, then gets the job to rescue Elizabeth. Also, Russia was ruled still ruled by the Czars at this time just for historic information.
This is how Booker gets down if you know what I mean. . . . . . .<a>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiyxosBAge0</a>
I'm with choo. If the empire state building is brought into the game I will be disappointed. Alternate version of star wars, yes, in the year star wars was made (unless i'm wrong?) through a tear (which we do not know yet if it's alternate realities or theirs yet, right? I might've missed something). I also like history.
I imagine Dad will help Booker get up there. I assumed he'd sneak on a cargo plane or something, although I'm sure that assumption is wrong because Columbia is technically missing.
mikefang said:My guess would be he uses sightings of it and weather pattern charts to figure out it's likely location, then rents a hot air balloon to get in the city's path.
1912....
They did have these things called 'airplanes'...
Seeing as how he's a Pinkerton agent, my guess is that they probably send him up there in a blimp or plane or something of that sort.
He went up there for a reason-- to obtain Elizabeth and bring her back down to the government, to harness her powers.
I doubt that he'll stumble upon Columbia by accident, considering his whole reason for being up there is made clear from the start.
Oh well, you never know.
thelastguardian said:According to Ken Levines twitter he says Booker will find Columbia with a "map".
not really sure how columbia could remain hidden unless it flew off to the middle of south america or africa or antarctica and even then there are these things called 'reporters' just itching to use other things called 'telegraphs' to keep various people advised as to where a huge flying city is...
Will have to wait and see what explanation is given to cover this bit
Maybe Booker had to use dorothy's ruby slippers to get there in OZ
watchman said:
mikefang said:My guess would be he uses sightings of it and weather pattern charts to figure out it's likely location, then rents a hot air balloon to get in the city's path.
1912....
They did have these things called 'airplanes'...
Airplanes were pretty primitive in 1912. I doubt they were advanced enough to make a controlled landing on a moving, flying city. It's possible, but unlikely. Far more likely is the possibility that Booker will use a hot air balloon or dirigible (of which you see many in the second demo) of some sort.
Also, you need to work on the sarcasm there a bit bro.
precipice66 said:
Airplanes were pretty primitive in 1912. I doubt they were advanced enough to make a controlled landing on a moving, flying city. It's possible, but unlikely. Far more likely is the possibility that Booker will use a hot air balloon or dirigible (of which you see many in the second demo) of some sort.
Also, you need to work on the sarcasm there a bit bro.
They did make major advancements since Kitty Hawk 1904 and the Wrights (whom Im marginally related to) trying to get contracts with the militaries(incl foreign) and the many other inventors/engineers/mechancs getting in on the new industry.
Dirigibles werent all that advanced either (not like they show in the trailers -- take a look at the Zepplins (the most advanced) history even from WW1 - to see how primitive they still were)
And he wouldnt have to land, just jump off a slow moving plane(how likely that he would be the pilot or have learned to be a pilot in time for this mission - though finding an available plane itself might be problematic)
Maybe just stowed away in whatever transportation they had to have to make suppy runs to get all the needed (including bulk) supplies to the city...
But that all assumes that this fantasy scenario has to have any real match to real history which if they can ignore the laws of physics they dont really need to match the historic flow of history/technological timelines.
Mmm, this is steampunk so there has to be some suspension of disbelief involved.
Also, whatever method of transport is used, the vehicle would have to land/dock with the city to unload supplies. I suppose you could air drop them but this would result in a lot of lost/damaged cargo and it wasn't really developed until the Second World War.
watchman said:
thelastguardian said:According to Ken Levines twitter he says Booker will find Columbia with a "map".
not really sure how columbia could remain hidden unless it flew off to the middle of south america or africa or antarctica and even then there are these things called 'reporters' just itching to use other things called 'telegraphs' to keep various people advised as to where a huge flying city is...
I kinda take offense by that, specially since South America has very clear skies most of the year, if not all.
And it's not like those places were isolated during that time. Colombia and United States had a close relationship in the beginning of that century.
Here's an idea thats been spinning around in my head: What happens if we don't SEE Booker journey to Columbia. Okay, let me spin the opening scene.
Its late one summer night and one of those fantastic turn of the century cars is storming through the countryside. Outside the countryside is greys and washed out greens, Inside the car, its first person view, the player being Booker. Across from him is an agent of Booker's mysterious boss. You get the idea that Booker's benefiter is very rich.
We're talking about 'Columbia' hinting at its history, its fall from grace, what Booker has to do, how he should try and fit in, Elizabeth etc, etc. Basically setting the character and story up as the dark countryside zooms by.
Then the car pulls up to a boathouse/wharf with a massive boat (yacht? Tramp Steamer?) and Booker is told to get out since this is his rendezvous. Here you have that silly little tutorial about walking around, 'stretching your legs'.
Booker goes inside the dismal grey hut, seeing many big burly men (basically: goons) standing around waiting, cueing the usual chit chat. Then suddenly the screen goes all over the place and you realize your being restrained, and one of the guys comes up, placing a cloth over Bookers face (choloform b*tchs!).
The world goes black as one of the goons remind you, '...secrets can come in handy'
Cue Bioshock Infinite Logo.
Slowly Booker comes around, the fog lifting from his mind. Probably on the floor of a closet, getting up you explore outside. Bright, BRIGHT light streams in through boarded up windows. Inside it's dark and the peeling décor has seen better days; basically hinting this is not
a good place to stay. Maybe have a tutorial-eque wrench encounter with a goon.
And slowly you head for the door, push it open and BAM! Colour! Light! A total different sensation overload as your eyes adjust to seeing Columbia for the first time.
At this point, you may wonder: If you have no idea how you actually got here, is this real? Maybe its a dream? Or you could be in the Twilight Zone! But Booker only knows two things: He's here, and he has a mission ...
juan29zapata said:
And it's not like those places were isolated during that time. Colombia and United States had a close relationship in the beginning of that century.watchman said:unless it flew off to the middle of south america
But Columbia's not in the middle of South America....
juan29zapata said:
watchman said:
thelastguardian said:According to Ken Levines twitter he says Booker will find Columbia with a "map".
not really sure how columbia could remain hidden unless it flew off to the middle of south america or africa or antarctica and even then there are these things called 'reporters' just itching to use other things called 'telegraphs' to keep various people advised as to where a huge flying city is...
I kinda take offense by that, specially since South America has very clear skies most of the year, if not all.
And it's not like those places were isolated during that time. Colombia and United States had a close relationship in the beginning of that century.
They were far more isolated than say the rockies in canada. Teddy Roosevelt was off up a river off the Amazon that had never been explored (nobody every came back from at least) and there were huge extended areas of rainforests (and trees to block views from the ground) and slower communications (no telegraph/telephone lines into the interior). But those 'remote 'places were also pretty awful (equatorial) and wouldnt help too much in getting supplies for the city.
laforzadimente said:
juan29zapata said:
watchman said:unless it flew off to the middle of south america
And it's not like those places were isolated during that time. Colombia and United States had a close relationship in the beginning of that century.
But Columbia's not in the middle of South America....
The cocaine for the coca-cola still gets thru though....
choo1701 said:Here's an idea thats been spinning around in my head: What happens if we don't SEE Booker journey to Columbia. Okay, let me spin the opening scene.
Its late one summer night and one of those fantastic <a>turn of the century cars is storming through the countryside. Outside the countryside is greys and washed out greens, Inside the car, its first person view, the player being Booker. Across from him is an agent of Booker's mysterious boss. You get the idea that Booker's benefiter is very rich.
We're talking about 'Columbia' hinting at its history, its fall from grace, what Booker has to do, how he should try and fit in, Elizabeth etc, etc. Basically setting the character and story up as the dark countryside zooms by.
Then the car pulls up to a boathouse/wharf with a massive boat (yacht? Tramp Steamer?) and Booker is told to get out since this is his rendezvous. Here you have that silly little tutorial about walking around, 'stretching your legs'.
Booker goes inside the dismal grey hut, seeing many big burly men (basically: goons) standing around waiting, cueing the usual chit chat. Then suddenly the screen goes all over the place and you realize your being restrained, and one of the guys comes up, placing a cloth over Bookers face (choloform b*tchs!).
The world goes black as one of the goons remind you, '...secrets can come in handy'
Cue Bioshock Infinite Logo.
Slowly Booker comes around, the fog lifting from his mind. Probably on the floor of a closet, getting up you explore outside. Bright, BRIGHT light streams in through boarded up windows. Inside it's dark and the peeling décor has seen better days; basically hinting this is not
a good place to stay. Maybe have a tutorial-eque wrench encounter with a goon.
And slowly you head for the door, push it open and BAM! Colour! Light! A total different sensation overload as your eyes adjust to seeing Columbia for the first time.
At this point, you may wonder: If you have no idea how you actually got here, is this real? Maybe its a dream? Or you could be in the Twilight Zone! But Booker only knows two things: He's here, and he has a mission ...
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Being treated that way might make him a bit hostile and unwilling to working his 'mission' (I'd think that if they could get me here like this, why dont they do the bloody mission themselves....)
watchman said:
precipice66 said:
Airplanes were pretty primitive in 1912. I doubt they were advanced enough to make a controlled landing on a moving, flying city. It's possible, but unlikely. Far more likely is the possibility that Booker will use a hot air balloon or dirigible (of which you see many in the second demo) of some sort.
Also, you need to work on the sarcasm there a bit bro.
They did make major advancements since Kitty Hawk 1904 and the Wrights (whom Im marginally related to) trying to get contracts with the militaries(incl foreign) and the many other inventors/engineers/mechancs getting in on the new industry.
Dirigibles werent all that advanced either (not like they show in the trailers -- take a look at the Zepplins (the most advanced) history even from WW1 - to see how primitive they still were)
And he wouldnt have to land, just jump off a slow moving plane(how likely that he would be the pilot or have learned to be a pilot in time for this mission - though finding an available plane itself might be problematic)
Maybe just stowed away in whatever transportation they had to have to make suppy runs to get all the needed (including bulk) supplies to the city...
But that all assumes that this fantasy scenario has to have any real match to real history which if they can ignore the laws of physics they dont really need to match the historic flow of history/technological timelines.
I doubt airplanes of those days could fly very high, I mean Columbia is at around cloud height which might be possible with the planes around 1912, but I doubt it. A hot air balloon or a airship like in the gameplay would be better I think.
strawhatmoose said:
watchman said:
They did make major advancements since Kitty Hawk 1904 and the Wrights (whom Im marginally related to) trying to get contracts with the militaries(incl foreign) and the many other inventors/engineers/mechancs getting in on the new industry.
Dirigibles werent all that advanced either (not like they show in the trailers -- take a look at the Zepplins (the most advanced) history even from WW1 - to see how primitive they still were)
And he wouldnt have to land, just jump off a slow moving plane(how likely that he would be the pilot or have learned to be a pilot in time for this mission - though finding an available plane itself might be problematic)
Maybe just stowed away in whatever transportation they had to have to make suppy runs to get all the needed (including bulk) supplies to the city...
But that all assumes that this fantasy scenario has to have any real match to real history which if they can ignore the laws of physics they dont really need to match the historic flow of history/technological timelines.
I doubt airplanes of those days could fly very high, I mean Columbia is at around cloud height which might be possible with the planes around 1912, but I doubt it. A hot air balloon or a airship like in the gameplay would be better I think.
Yeah, WW1 was when the already fast plane developments increased a magnitude.
But Columbia doesnt always have to be that high (like when the swoop down to steal a herd of cattle somewhere) and it may spend more than a little time tethered to the ground (in a suitibly remote area) to save on 'station keeping'. fuel (heh, that BIG tether has an elevator built in ... ------- that reminds me that Columbia has to pick up alot of water regularly too.)
More of a problem is there just arent that many planes yet (unless we drasticly start warping history --- even more) and then getting the plane near where Columbia is (they didnt have good range yet either - nor roads to truck it closer) and getting someone to assist (offer part of the bounty reward??) to fly it... (same issues with hot air balloon - except even more problems).
I would guess the most likely is using Columbia's own ground-to-air conveyance and stowing away amongst the supplies being brought up (heh, Booker inside a crate (marked "Fragile" that they bump,bounce and bang all the way into whatever warehouse he finally winds up in the City).
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