I was watching one of the trailers the other day .... noticed how it started out with the guys head in an aquarium ... and when he came out there was a big daddy doll. Sounds like there are some easter eggs at leastBut then we won't know until the game is out. There you go, some anticipation for you!
I'm going to miss Rapture terribly, and I'll be one of the first on board if they ever go back for say, a DLC game or a port to a portable system. That said, I really am excited to see what Columbia has to offer. The only element I am crossing my fingers on is the "horror" element. There are hints of it for sure in the trailers, but nothing quite as gory or full on scary as some of the Splicers and scenes in the first two games. It's early yet, I'm looking forward to seeing what the team turns out.
Maybe they're just taking a break from Rapture guys. They may return to the Rapture series after they started up the Columbia one which is perfectly fine by me, its a good refreshment. :]
Besides, Bioshock 2 wasnt that great and personally I think its from multiplayer. Multiplayer was a pretty good idea but because they squeezed it in, it left both SP/MP side on the bad side. This time Irrational could you make a Inifinite single player only? Thanx.
theidealist said:Maybe they're just taking a break from Rapture guys. They may return to the Rapture series after they started up the Columbia one which is perfectly fine by me, its a good refreshment. :]
Besides, Bioshock 2 wasnt that great and personally I think its from multiplayer. Multiplayer was a pretty good idea but because they squeezed it in, it left both SP/MP side on the bad side. This time Irrational could you make a Inifinite single player only? Thanx.
The problem I had with Bioshock 2, was that it relied more on random-ness than the original. Areas in B1 were strategically set up. There was a sense that combat was scripted, and a strategy could be created. It was frustrating in B2: trying to strategize a battle between a Big Daddy and some splicers, just to have more splicers jump me... I preferred the scripted battles over the chaos of the sequel
Just like everyone else, I loved Rapture as well. I had been taken in by the leaky, mossy, rusty, underwater city. The opportunities for a new game in Rapture are still there, and I feel that Bioshock 2 didn't take up enough of those opportunities, but that's not what I think Bioshock's about. Bioshock's about bringing things to players that they've never dealt with before, and making each experience unique. IG could keep making games in Rapture, and they could still be amazing, but in the end, it would just end up like COD or any other unremarkable series that've been created in the past ten years, overused and unexciting. I'm going to miss Rapture, and if IG decides to make another game there, I'll be just as excited as I am for Infinite, but this whole new city and story captivates me in a way that no sequel based on a story and city I already know about could.
I too, also, know Rapture well and adore every aspect of the city. But that's also the reason why I fully support the making of a BioShock outside of Rapture. You can only do that much within the city that isn't redundant gameplay wise. Story wise you'd easily ruin the whole story of BioShock 1, like BioShock 2 did.
newgenkid said:I'm not going to go as far as to say I'm not going to buy Infinite. But i loved Bioshock I + II. I loved Rapture. I loved having the ability to make moral decisions about every step of the way and the ending being affected by it. This "Columbia" while looking nice and having all the chaos i need is by far so much more controlled then Rapture chaos. While I have seen those mechanical monstrosities roaming around, it's just a regular enemy, just a bit bigger. Their purpose? Just to crush you. They are not there to protect a little girl from all the dangers around them. You have no reason to not kill them. At least with Big Daddys you felt a slight pang of regret when his lil' sister would be crying over his body. These mustached monsters? Nothing. No one cares if they live or die. In all the trailers I've seen and the 15 minutes of game play, you really didn't do anything, our dialogue was scripted choice, that maybe, players didn't want to say. Maybe i don't care about this new girl? Maybe i just want to kill and burn everything and get my money? FYI i saved every lil' sister so that scenario isn't the case. But i know I'd like to try it and see what happens. But it seems i can't. Its funny. This utopian city of America seems to have taken a lot of my freedoms.
Won't it be cool to see the city in the process of degrading though!?
mrtiddlywinks said:
newgenkid said:I'm not going to go as far as to say I'm not going to buy Infinite. But i loved Bioshock I + II. I loved Rapture. I loved having the ability to make moral decisions about every step of the way and the ending being affected by it. This "Columbia" while looking nice and having all the chaos i need is by far so much more controlled then Rapture chaos. While I have seen those mechanical monstrosities roaming around, it's just a regular enemy, just a bit bigger. Their purpose? Just to crush you. They are not there to protect a little girl from all the dangers around them. You have no reason to not kill them. At least with Big Daddys you felt a slight pang of regret when his lil' sister would be crying over his body. These mustached monsters? Nothing. No one cares if they live or die. In all the trailers I've seen and the 15 minutes of game play, you really didn't do anything, our dialogue was scripted choice, that maybe, players didn't want to say. Maybe i don't care about this new girl? Maybe i just want to kill and burn everything and get my money? FYI i saved every lil' sister so that scenario isn't the case. But i know I'd like to try it and see what happens. But it seems i can't. Its funny. This utopian city of America seems to have taken a lot of my freedoms.
Won't it be cool to see the city in the process of degrading though!?
Just like in the other BioShock games? Also, I don't see how that's relative to him complaining about lack of freedom.
Replying to Newgenkid. You've not seen that much of the gameplay or story. You can't really judge if you'll be able to make decisions and that if they're going to be hard decisions. What if these moustached gentlemen were some kind of brittish gentlemen who didn't ever want anything but have some tea and biscuits with you, but being very bad at telling you so.
nintendoll said:To be honest, I couldn't feel more strongly opposite. I feel like the story of Rapture has been told in full. I really have a hatred for game series that continuously pump out half-assed sequels in order to make as much money as possible off of one idea. I think the only thing I would like to see (possibly) would be a movie adaptation of Rapture's beginnings into the civil war (although the difficulty in that would be figuring out how to make a satisfying ending).
I think Columbia will be similar to Rapture in the sense that it will be a highly detailed, well-rounded setting that I will spend faaar too much time exploring <img />
I agree with what she said completely.
I found BS2 s storyline adaquate -- with Lamb trying to bring her collectivist insanity to the whole World and how you as the hero put a stop to it.
to me Bioshock isn't Rapture, Rapture is a setting not a trademark in my opinion, it is kind of offsetting to me that we have one side of the fan base who applaud the idea of something new then there's the other side who think that Bioshock should just be Rapture.
There is a story behind Columbia and it makes sense. Ultimately Bioshock's concept is about a utopian society that goes horribly wrong and that's what Columbia is as well as Rapture. I liked Rapture- hell I still own Bioshock and Bioshock 2 (2 copies of each in fact). But I find Columbia exciting, I love the idea of having a friend watching my back and I love the idea of Infinite. Unfortunately I won't be able to buy the game till quite some time because I'll be in boot camp by the time the game is released, but I think Infinite will be a great addition to the Bioshock series. Infinite has Kevin at its back which is something that Bioshock 2 lacked. I have full confidence in Kevin.
Bioshock is an ideal not a place
Lets see if after HelloKittyPotter-land in the clouds they dont go back to Rapture.
Magic is easy, you can do anything and need no justification except the word 'cuz'.
Deal with it.
watchman said:Lets see if after HelloKittyPotter-land in the clouds they dont go back to Rapture.
Magic is easy, you can do anything and need no justification except the word 'cuz'.
As opposed to the word "Adam" that creates other forms of magic?
knarf said:I think if they did much more then it would seem like they are milking it, i applaud their idea of the city in the sky, it has just as much potential as Rapture did imo.
However, i would have liked it if they kept plasmids and tonics, since for me that's what made Bioshock make sense (i.e. the word Bioshock suggests biological implications, not there's a city under the water). If they're kept the same but changed names then that would also make sense, as people on Columbia wouldn't know the names given to the plasmids by people in Rapture.
Ive already stated elsewhere in this forum that they have departed from the sci-fi theme of the genre and moved into fantasy with this new game --- when in BS1/BS2 Epstein the Swami was as metaphysical as you got , and the rest was based on the idea of a biological agent (BIO) disrupted a society horribly (SHOCK) leading to the Blast-Fest environment (which was a product of engineering instead of bizaare physical impossibilities that even a SteamPunk would run from in horror)
banky00 said:Deal with it.
All the fans will have to I guess.
(Kind of like saying "Sorry you have Pancreatic Cancer" .... Deal with it... Nah, this is only a game made by some company that will lose money if they make a mistake. IG will be the ones who have to 'Deal with it")
SO sets see how IG 'deals with it' and the next game goes back to Rapture (or at least somewhere that actually is not a purple unicorn continuum fantasyland )
laforzadimente said:
watchman said:Lets see if after HelloKittyPotter-land in the clouds they dont go back to Rapture.
Magic is easy, you can do anything and need no justification except the word 'cuz'.
As opposed to the word "Adam" that creates other forms of magic?
Been through this before. Biological analogies to most of the effects --- the bees are a bit weird but real bees pheromone controled African Bees living in your hands, actually a little easier on the physics tha some kind of Teleportation (which is more a magicians trick with a puff of smoke).
Never really did like psi effects in games but I suppose projecting synchronized electromagnetics at someones brain in the right frequencies/patterns can do interesting things -- like those flashing lights that effect epileptics....
Best you can do to justify Infinite is that Booker is trapped in a Hallucinogenic fever dream -- to explain all the phsical impossibilities.
Maybe he will wake up to find himself a little farmgirl in Kansas who had suffered a hit on the head ...
studiedapollo8 said:to me Bioshock isn't Rapture, Rapture is a setting not a trademark in my opinion, it is kind of offsetting to me that we have one side of the fan base who applaud the idea of something new then there's the other side who think that Bioshock should just be Rapture.
There is a story behind Columbia and it makes sense. Ultimately Bioshock's concept is about a utopian society that goes horribly wrong and that's what Columbia is as well as Rapture. I liked Rapture- hell I still own Bioshock and Bioshock 2 (2 copies of each in fact). But I find Columbia exciting, I love the idea of having a friend watching my back and I love the idea of Infinite. Unfortunately I won't be able to buy the game till quite some time because I'll be in boot camp by the time the game is released, but I think Infinite will be a great addition to the Bioshock series. Infinite has Kevin at its back which is something that Bioshock 2 lacked. I have full confidence in Kevin.
Bioshock is an ideal not a place
"Ultimately Bioshock's concept is about a utopian society that goes horribly wrong "
Columbia was a Floating Disneyland - a show city meant for propaganda -- filled with actors under orders to wow the foreigners. Hardly a utopia. You would think they could have come up with a better more justified attempt at 'utopia' than that to stick to the genre.
watchman said:
laforzadimente said:
watchman said:Lets see if after HelloKittyPotter-land in the clouds they dont go back to Rapture.
Magic is easy, you can do anything and need no justification except the word 'cuz'.
As opposed to the word "Adam" that creates other forms of magic?
Been through this before. Biological analogies to most of the effects --- the bees are a bit weird but real bees pheromone controled African Bees living in your hands, actually a little easier on the physics tha some kind of Teleportation (which is more a magicians trick with a puff of smoke).
Never really did like psi effects in games but I suppose projecting synchronized electromagnetics at someones brain in the right frequencies/patterns can do interesting things -- like those flashing lights that effect epileptics....
Best you can do to justify Infinite is that Booker is trapped in a Hallucinogenic fever dream -- to explain all the phsical impossibilities.
Maybe he will wake up to find himself a little farmgirl in Kansas who had suffered a hit on the head ...
You can justify it however you like, a 2 out of 10 vs a 7 out of 10 on the impossible scale. They're both still impossible.
laforzadimente said:
watchman said:
laforzadimente said:
watchman said:Lets see if after HelloKittyPotter-land in the clouds they dont go back to Rapture.
Magic is easy, you can do anything and need no justification except the word 'cuz'.
As opposed to the word "Adam" that creates other forms of magic?
Been through this before. Biological analogies to most of the effects --- the bees are a bit weird but real bees pheromone controled African Bees living in your hands, actually a little easier on the physics tha some kind of Teleportation (which is more a magicians trick with a puff of smoke).
Never really did like psi effects in games but I suppose projecting synchronized electromagnetics at someones brain in the right frequencies/patterns can do interesting things -- like those flashing lights that effect epileptics....
Best you can do to justify Infinite is that Booker is trapped in a Hallucinogenic fever dream -- to explain all the phsical impossibilities.
Maybe he will wake up to find himself a little farmgirl in Kansas who had suffered a hit on the head ...
You can justify it however you like, a 2 out of 10 vs a 7 out of 10 on the impossible scale. They're both still impossible.
Impossible in fiction is a relative thing. Given the genetic developments that the ADAM type mechanism could produce, under that framework alot of the Rapture stuff is possible.
Transdimensional tunneling is not exactly on par with projecting a heat point and setting someone on fire or zapping someones brain so they dont see you move elsewhere under cover of a puff of smoke.
I have more difficulty with the game system allowing objects to pass thru each other than doing proper collision detection (that would make rendering by many underpowered console machines prohibitive)
I will miss rapture and i do hope they go back to it, but i got a question??? who is left in rapture, you kill ryan and fontaine, cohen might be dead, sofia is either at the surface or six feet... i mean six miles under, gil alexander is, 50/50, good ole gracie might be able to do it, but she is a good lovable person( to me at least), stanley looks like he does to much cigarettes and maybe some heroin, so who would be left. hopefully, out of no where someone else who isn't splicy the splicer and can take control of the city. but here some problems:
-in BS1 & 2 alot of splicers die, i mean ALOT. you gotta at least kill a good % of the city in those 2 games.
-Can the splicers get anymore deformed, like holy crap in BS2, they had freakin skin growin over their shoes, eww
-the city looks like doodoo in BS2, like real bad, im sure it could be because of fighting, but maybe since the whole city was united, they could do some help to repair, i mean, if they can build turrets, they can fix a wall.
-Just a speculation, maybe some one could make the vita-chambers cuz c;mon, its a city of the elite and finest minds in the world they dont have some other scientist their in that whole city. but with that theory, maybe dandy andy ryan will come back along with fontaine and half the city you killed in the games.
Oh and a possitive, would they really leave a cliffhanger ending with BS2, they gotta go back cuz tennenbaum has acure, eleanor has powers like crazy, jacks out there....somewhere, they still got people down there that arent spliced up.
Oh and in the endings with BS1 the splicys jack a nuke sub, i honest to god thought that BS2 would be like splicers,big daddies,and all that other crazy stuff down there would come and try to invade the surface. that would be awesome, maybe that can be bioshock 4, after 3 visits rapture again and maybe watch it get destroyed.
Ryan might NOT be dead (he could have did the same as Fontaine did and 'fake' his death (since he has the Vita Chambers if anyone did at that point)
Sophia could come back still.
Eleanor could come back.
Any of the 'Bosses' you did or didnt kill as part of BS2 you could claim were 'winged' even when you did 'off' them.
Are we even sure that Fontaine is dead??
You can always bend things as needed to fit the new plot and you could always add more new personalities if needed.
With ADAM in limited supply the Splicers probably wont start melting into blobs.
We really dont know how many splicers are left (we really did only go thru a small part of the city and even if we killed hundreds there still could be thousands more.
Invading the surface would probably result in fatal sunburns for the splicers though they could invade a town or somesuch (all new terrain) but part of the game should have to be back in Rapture - maybe this time with the surface people invading it...
Ryan might not be dead, ive heard that theory, i believe it, he is one of the most famous characters in gaming, ya the vita chambers can be reworked, i man if a 18 year old can do it, a scientist who is unspliced can do it.
Sofia can come back, but not in a bad way, she either dies, or gets redemption and changes.
Eleanor i thought would be the protaganist, like now she got that power stuff from delta(R.I.P) and what she gonna do now, sit down and retire like jack did.
the bosses could come back with the everybody uses the vita chamber theory.
Fontaine got mauled by lil sisters while he was roid ragin, kinda feel like he was a wimp for that happening, so i could cae less about him.
Like you said, they be in a city, they should someone else new.
The slugs are found near rapture and a junkie desperate enough will do anything to get his fix, like attack a big daddy and jack his suit, then eat the slug ( i geuss thats how you get the adam ) and then turn into a blob.
The city is huge;, we might have visited several districts, but thay was in skyscrapers, we just saw one or two maybe three floors.
In the bs1 ending, they attacked that sub ok, and to get recruits, kidnap civilians, inject a buttload of adam and, BAM, got a good ole splicy.
Ya i also like the idea of the surface invading rapture, but not as some black ops thing, you got survivors like jack and his adopted girls, elaenor, tennenbaum and her lil sis's, the black guy from minervas den, and all those lil sis's from bs2 and maybe sofia. someones gonna talk. amybe get nato involved and they send an invasion force to capture the city for its scientific study and tennenbaums cure, maybe have a conflictig story like ethics vs. science.
Tennenbaum wants to distribute the cure at the cost of scientific stuff or the army kills everyone to get all the scientific stuff for like weapons and medicine.
"The only way this will happen is if there is a solid link to the other games...otherwise what makes it bioshock???"
I was wondering if you are a true fan of Bioshock or more precisely if you even know what Bioshock title truly means. First of all, the so called Bioshock is about experiencing an amazing world, in this case Rapture was the world. Now Bioshock Infinite is introducing another amazing world which is Columbia. Let me remind again BIOSHOCK is all about experiencing new worlds. The world of Rapture was just the piece of an iceberg. You said that you are not getting Bioshock Infinite. You are sounding as if you already beat the game. Listen pumpkin I am 100 percent sure that you will play Bioshock Infinite at some point in your life. Looks like someone is trolling Bioshock Infinitelol
I am sure that Bioshock Infinite will be better than Bioshock. I can't wait for Infinite!!!!
biodan said:"The only way this will happen is if there is a solid link to the other games...otherwise what makes it bioshock???"
I was wondering if you are a true fan of Bioshock or more precisely if you even know what Bioshock title truly means. First of all, the so called Bioshock is about experiencing an amazing world, in this case Rapture was the world. Now Bioshock Infinite is introducing another amazing world which is Columbia. Let me remind again BIOSHOCK is all about experiencing new worlds. The world of Rapture was just the piece of an iceberg. You said that you are not getting Bioshock Infinite. You are sounding as if you already beat the game. Listen pumpkin I am 100 percent sure that you will play Bioshock Infinite at some point in your life. Looks like someone is trolling Bioshock Infinite <img /> lol
At least for me, the 'link' is that its supposed to be sci-fi and not swerve off into fantasy hello-kitty pottersville magic type stuff. The previous bioshocks had a technological explanation which they might somehow still pull off (in Infinite) if aliens or such are at the heart of the conflict (and that Highlander stuff isnt good enough .... that second movie was one of the stupidest things Ive seen when they tried to justify it with an alien angle). Maybe its all a dream and that would aty least explain all the weirdness ... Booker drinking one too many BAD Patent medicine doses for a toothache or somesuch and having a really weird fever dream. At the end he can click his heels together 3 times to get home.
@biodan
who was trollin bioshock infinite?
Bioshock isnt about Rapture, that was just the first installment. You sound like a spoiled brat.
banky00 said:Bioshock isnt about Rapture, that was just the first installment. You sound like a spoiled brat.
who you talkin bout?
and we know that rapture aint bioshock, we just wanna at least see it end like just tennenbaum spreads the cure and rapture gets abandonned or maybe even get destroyed. so we know its not all about rapture, we just wanna have a proper ending.
dirtytreva said:
banky00 said:Bioshock isnt about Rapture, that was just the first installment. You sound like a spoiled brat.
who you talkin bout?
and we know that rapture aint bioshock, we just wanna at least see it end like just tennenbaum spreads the cure and rapture gets abandonned or maybe even get destroyed. so we know its not all about rapture, we just wanna have a proper ending.
An ending for RApture would be good, but even doing the moon or spacestation setting (sci-fi with a 50s period theme) would be more along the lines of the Bio Shock genre..
Actually, I will miss Rapture too, and yes, BioShck 1 & 2 are linked. I've played trough both a bunch of times and I loved them.
But I look actually forward to Infinite. I'm always open for new things so. The cameras and turrets are gone (thank god, actually xD) instead you have the Boys Of Silence. There is no more only being inside a city, crawling in tunnels and stuff, now they've opened up a whole new world - outside.
One thing I'm a little concerned about is that the little sisters and the big daddies are gone. I will miss that, but I still look forward to Infinite
butterflyflash said:Actually, I will miss Rapture too, and yes, BioShck 1 & 2 are linked. I've played trough both a bunch of times and I loved them.
But I look actually forward to Infinite. I'm always open for new things so. The cameras and turrets are gone (thank god, actually xD) instead you have the Boys Of Silence. There is no more only being inside a city, crawling in tunnels and stuff, now they've opened up a whole new world - outside.
One thing I'm a little concerned about is that the little sisters and the big daddies are gone. I will miss that, but I still look forward to Infinite <img />
Cities (even fake propaganda 'show' cities still have dark alleys and secret passages (like disneyland which is like a rabbit warren) and basements (and maybe even a sewer -- then again, maybe it just goes down the hole and onto the faces of the yokels looking up at Columbia....)
What you want is a spectrum of different settings - now with big outside areas, the zipping around on the skylines, maybe rooftops (more 3D than in BS1/BS2....)
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